BOG Bogglegum - BCBD/Seedbay

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Well, I asked myself.........."If you were a breeder, had seeds in an auction, and let the price reach such astronomical prices, why would you allow that?"
I could only come up with ONE answer - GREED. What I may do,though, is be the guinea pig, break down and purchase the Bogglegum from BCBD. If I do, I'll keep the community posted.

Better ask yourself why BCBD sells $800 seeds so cheap.

or the greedy one on the short end may be you

 

[Guest]

I got mine for free from BCBD,sourbubble 4 and bogbub. Why pay for something when you can get for free.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I got mine for free from BCBD,sourbubble 4 and bogbub. Why pay for something when you can get for free.

BOG says he never gave seeds to BCBD, so how they got any to sell, let alone enough to be selling for over a year,,,, - looks like you got fucked for free

 

[Vash]

Better ask yourself why BCBD sells $800 seeds so cheap.

or the greedy one on the short end may be you

Well, if you pay ANYTHING close to $800 for seeds, then I put you in the P.T. Barnum category.

 

[Guest]

BOG says he never gave seeds to BCBD, so how they got any to sell, let alone enough to be selling for over a year,,,, - looks like you got fucked for free

Well if you say so. BOG told me hiself that they where the real deal and was very lucky to get them.If you do not beleve me got to Hipforums to his own forums and read it for your self.
THCstaind

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I got my LSD's from Gypsy for $55 a couple years ago.

Gypsy Nirvana has a great reputation and has never let me down. I speak from experience when I say BCBD tried to rip me off and I had to file fraud charges with credit card co. If a company thinks it's ok to tap into your credit accounts, sending bogus seeds would also be probable

 

[Guest]

Well if you say so. BOG told me hiself that they where the real deal and was very lucky to get them.If you do not beleve me got to Hipforums to his own forums and read it for your self.
THCstaind

Obviously you don't know too much about BOG... or at least about his morality. If you were to read actual threads on him here, you'll find that people who personally knew him, and conducted business with him refer to him as being greedy, lying and 'sneaks around' kind of person.

You think he doesn't get any profit by BC using his names and what not to give you bogus or at the least some shitty f2 beans.. or even cares if your not getting the quality? I think not. At this point in the game a person with his charcteristic outlines, will take any profit; and is not to be trusted. Why do you think he gave you a shitty answer, cutting corners "uh, I dunno if they are real beans, but I am sure they are, no reason to think their not, I 'urge' you to get them" how about the fact they have BOG seeds and you quit breeding them for one very small point??? Ha.

Sure they could be old beans...thousands of them...and BC depot is basically the ONLY place to get them (and never seem to run out....)

now your entering the realm of common sense...

Instead of asking BOG himself, why don't you try someone who has earned credibility, just him being an amazing breeder of marijuana makes him nothing of a if not a horrible buisness man.

I agree... I wish there was someone trustworthy to ask and see if they are the real deal... I might jsut order some LSD and let you guys know for sure...

BOG was an excellent breeder. Eventually he exercised currupt ways that eventually caught up to him, enough said.

my

 

[BenitoCereno]

BOG seeds had their time and place. Now it is over, for better or for worse. $800 bucks? You have to be a buuuuffffffoooon.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I dunno, if BCBD has original BOG seeds - GET EM, but,,,, BOG hasn't been doing seeds for quite a long while, Gypsey has some stock left over that BOG has vouched for - he has not vouched for anything at BCBD - yet for a mere $100 BCBD can hook you up.

I mighta been born at night but it wasn't last night. You on the other hand might have a hundred bucks you wana donate to BCBD for some beans they say are BOG's - but BOG never gave them.

It's not like I'm getting paid or trying to sell ya something. I'm saying look at facts. How could somebody sell new Fords if Ford never sent them a car?

price is relative actually,,, I know BOG budz can bring$400 to $600 per oz, so it's not a major investment aginst the profit potential.




Wouldn't it be a fookin drag to sprout the whole pack. And get all MALES!!!!

Now THAT would be Ironic

 

[Guest]

I know enough about business to know evey swinging dick in the line is standing there with hand held out.

It's not as easy as it looks and - - with BOG being inside a country that takes a dim view of canna capitolism makes it hard to hold a high profile position - and successful marketing demands a higher profile than would be desired.

The only problem with that is, the other hand... is holding some crisp dollar bills.

It might be hard in his country so on and so forth... but what does that have to do with his quality in beans? Of course it demands a high profile... but that is something that I am sure is thought about before pursuing something like this.

I guess what I am saying is, although he might be under heavy pressure... people should not be ripped off. If he was tired of the high profile then quit... but don't create webs of lies and curruption around what you have done in the past to make others suffer to squeeze out some 'late' profit.

I am not asking for a handout.... I am asking for what is presented and advertised in front of my face. (which I guess means something different most the time here in America)

And that is some genuine BOG beans.

 

[IwannagethighOG]

My goodness, if they go for that much now, wth are they gonna go for in 25 years? 200,000 lmao!!!

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Me$$iah,

Yeah - see how many of those crisp dollars lawyers take if there is the slightest hick-up. Then there is splaining the income,,,, and trips to the 'Dam and , and, and....

As I remember, BOG flaked about when the ol Prince o' Pot got jerked. Lotsa peeps got their panties in a tight old wad! (mee too.)



Some of my richest friends are drug lawyers. Their big joke is,, your going to be selling for a while to pay me off - and they are right - you gotta be dealin to pay those bills. (well not you - or me, but those needing the service)

Auction sales are not rip offs - provided it's a fair and real auction. These prices are more volitale and prone to fluctuatuins due to availability and number of customers - with money.

Were BOG still making seed, no way they would sell that high. But because of Gypsie's reputation and BOG's conformation of authenticity,, there are those that know it is a wiser decision to bid than buy from BCBD.

I'v blown my seed money for the year when REZ let out the last of the stD.


ya-all can have at it.

 

[Texas Kid]

Well, I asked myself.........."If you were a breeder, had seeds in an auction, and let the price reach such astronomical prices, why would you allow that?"
I could only come up with ONE answer - GREED. What I may do,though, is be the guinea pig, break down and purchase the Bogglegum from BCBD. If I do, I'll keep the community posted.

So if you were selling a car, horse, computer, art, seeds, or whatever at an auction and the bidding gets out of hand (and usually does), you pull it from the auction..your just being silly now. I just saw a guy pay $145,000 for a Corvette at an auction that is worth $60,000 and sold new for $5800, is GM the greedy one?

It is an auction, ya know, an auction, don't you remember the concept of an auction? where the highest BIDDER wins. How in any way does that reflect "greed" by the breeder or seller?

On top of that these are re-list of old seed stock held by Seedbay that were unpaid for by the winner the first time around. Are you saying when bids get high, whatever that is, they should stop the auctions and give them away or something? They are not demanding $700 bucks for them, people are just willing to pay that much for them. If I were guessin, at this point the breeder is not even goin to receive the procedes from the auction since he is no longer even represented here anymore, I could be wrong though.

Bidders set the final price in an auction, take it up with them. Supply and demand, the American way...supply is down and the demand is up simple as that.

I agree that no beans are worth that, especially a rehash of bubblegum that is sold by many other vendors. But just because someone else will pay that doesn't reflect negatively on the breeder at all, just some fool wants to pay that much for them. I remember the DF's Venomberry hittin $1000 a few years back, which I thought was insane, so you know what I did? I didn't bid on them....simple as that.

Now, if you go to Seed Boutique and see a list price of $700 that's another story. It is a retail site, not an auction, so the breeder and retailer do set the price that is offered.

Get ya some White Label Bubblegum and a NL#5, both for $25 bucks or so and make ya some Bogglegum of your own or buy ya some from BCBD

Auctions are great, it really sets the market price for anything at any givin time

Just my .02

Tex

 

[Guest]

Me$$iah,
Yeah - see how many of those crisp dollars lawyers take if there is the slightest hick-up.

Your damn right and that is the way it should be. No comany who settles with any type of 'hick-up' that goes along with their product should be allowed to last. Not allowing it to last is what keeps us from fraud in the first place, even though they do still exist.

In all types and forms of business it is the customers that will ultimatley decide which companies stay and which get the boot, it has been this way for years and years. It is like Wal-Marts taking over mom and pop shops....sure it is bad for the mom and pop shop if your thinking on a small scale... but economically speaking it is good for the country on the larger scale, because wal mart can give more (economically speaking) to the economy than the mom and pop shop ever could.

(wal-mart is a bad example since it is basically a monopoly....)

If your not ready to make the consumer completley happy, your not ready for business...

It can get out of hand... like you are saying though... suing for this, suing for that....but the picture here is MJ beans, I doubt any lawyers are going to sue someone for not sending them the correct 'illigel' merchandise...correct me if I am wrong.... if you make them happy by say sending them another pack of seeds, you are out $ yes... but not as much as a lawsuit. So take the small loss and go one with your business....

I guess then you can argue that the buisness ethics must now be changed, now that lawyers really can't get involved....

I agree with you Kirk on many points... but my point is you have to please every crowd in business, not just the easy-growers (haha), it might cost you... but in the end you will have success and above all, a reputation to be proud of.... which because of legal problems, is all that these breeders have.

And therefore THAT is why poeple will pay 8x as much... pure reputation and customer satisfaction... I am sure seedbay has taken losses giving out free seeds, sending replacments, holding competitions so on and so forth... but now they are gettign $800.00 for a pack of seeds that is $100 elsewhere... and that proves that my theory can work, and can be concluded with hard-earned success.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I think your wrong Messiah.

Some customers are not worth the effort.

10% of the customers require 90% of the special handeling and problem solving. If you don't like the product - your free to shop elsewhere and don't let the door slap your ass on the way out.

Here's the deal as I have come to know it. Customers are like sheep and they will gladly gove up thier wool each and every spring. Fisrt time you slaughter them, your done with that one.

Rez and Gypsie set the price on sour D at $160 a pack and they have sold HUNDREDS of packs - and people return and buy more.

Is rez ripping people off?
Not in my book.

Not all the buyers are repeats but most have more than one rez strain.

If you price your products to bargain hunters - you get the rif-raf that comes with. If you tell customers it's $125, $160 to play and they buy - all they are owed is the seeds they bought after that, get back in line. Dealing with Gypsie - the vast majority of people get what the pay for, in a reasonable lenngth of time - and even when they send cash thru the mail. If that's not good enough, I'd say pack sand.

now,,,, if your spending a few thousand dollars a month - that's a different sort of customer. You ain't spending $500 a year and that's obvious.

 

[OG bub]

If someone bought a pack of my beans for 800 bucks, and actually paid for them, I would prey that they grew them and thought they were the best thing in the world!

you cant controll who has money, or how they spend it. the more wealthy folk, can set more cash on the table without it being taboo to them, if they see something they like.

peace, bub

 

[Guest]

I think your wrong Messiah.
Some customers are not worth the effort.

10% of the customers require 90% of the special handeling and problem solving. If you don't like the product - your free to shop elsewhere and don't let the door slap your ass on the way out.

I guess I was thinking of it more on a larger scale. On a small scale, your right the hard to deal with customers are probably not worth dealing with.... however this is how I thought of it....

No REAL business with a good rep will tell you to go shop somwhere else... and basically go fuck yourself... they would soon be out of business and sued to bits. This might work in the small MJ bean business, but when your competiting against tens of thousands of companies, that won't fly... ever...

Say you have 10,000 customers... and the new ones comming in, are hypethetically going at the sam ratio as follows:

-Each customer buy 1 pack of seeds at $100.00 each at a 10% profit rate...which means they cost 80$ to make and process.

-That is a $1,000,000 (10,000) customers.

-1,000 aren't happy...you have two options...

1. Say 'fuck em' in your instance. Then you end up with two possible negative results

- you get sued for all your worth

-your rep will dwindle, soon those 1,000 unsatisfied will begin to infest even the other 9,000 that were happy...

-they will all go to the competitor

-facts show (read in a book #'s might be off) that every person who has had a pleasant experience and share it with anotehr potential customer... there are 3 to 4 people who report their bad experiences. Obviously this does not mean more customers are unsatisifed with what they get, but people with bad experiences are more likley to tell poeple than those who got what they expected. (so... your 9,000 that was happy most likley told about 400% less poeple than those who wern't happy about their expereince) this will evetually build up....

- After all this you might have 6,000 customers still happy with you still investing. If your small or local and don't want to really expand then this would be your method.

2. Give them all new packs for free. That is 80,000 loss in budget. Which (if consistant) eventually gives you a new result:

-Your beans can now sell for 800.00 a peice because you kept customers happy.

-They are spreading good rep around which eventually allows you to sell them for $800.00 even though some are selling them for $100.00

Result?

An initial loss, but you kept all your customers and gained more. You can now sell your products for far more. Now those 'hard to please' customers are worth it. It may take a long time, and cost you a lot... but if you have the resources this is the way to go.

I will use MDhydro.com as an example, go ahead and call and chat a bit with the owner. Even throw him some sly, rude remarks.... he will try to make you happy, and for that most poeple (including myself) will continue to shop there...

If someone bought a pack of my beans for 800 bucks, and actually paid for them, I would prey that they grew them and thought they were the best thing in the world!

Unfourtunatley, all growers aren't like you

 

[cain23456]

im with u captin....i set my own prices, wasn't willing to pay more than 200 some1 else was. let's say there's only a few packs of rez kush line coming out and they were going to the highest bidder. i would be willing to pay more, but only because i really want them. greed does set the price, but it's set by the customer. some1 wanted if more than me and were willing to pay whatever it take to get them. so who is really the greedy 1. rez said something about if he relesased any of his crosses he did with the clones he got from chem they would be charity only. greed and greed alone will make be willing to out bid whoever stood in my way. i wouldn't be forced but as customers we set the prices. not sure if he's going to or not but if he does i will out bid u all...lol...jk, or im i?

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Take care of the customer.

within reason

but the customer isn't always right or worth the effort and to a degree, it depends wither I'm hungry or naked as the the first choice for service rules.

As a customer I find asking for help far more persuasive than being a dick - but being a dick is more fun That's a struggle some days.

I've spent a lot of time and dollars buying and growing seeds. I've grown one strain for 5 years - from a single pack of seeds. There's another view that might make bidding more reasonable over the long term - just not more reasonable for my budget. Then consider the seed making opportunities,,,, What other business can you start with $800 seed money? (pun intended)

 

[Guest]

Take care of the customer.

within reason

Agreed.

As a customer I find asking for help far more persuasive than being a dick - but being a dick is more fun That's a struggle some days.

lol of course it is 'more fun' to be a dick. I have been to places where you will get absolutley fucking no where unless you are a dick to people. The key is to try and be nice at first, and sneak up on them little by litte the more difficult they get.

I've spent a lot of time and dollars buying and growing seeds. I've grown one strain for 5 years - from a single pack of seeds. There's another view that might make bidding more reasonable over the long term - just not more reasonable for my budget. Then consider the seed making opportunities,,,, What other business can you start with $800 seed money? (pun intended)

You really can't. That is probably why it would take years of paperwork to come to any conclussion on the MJ seed market, or to even attempt to figure it out. Especially because no one official is really involved....

I have never grown one strain for more than a couple years... but I have grown for a very long time (long as I can remember, but I do smoke a lot!), 90% from seeds I bought or got from dear poeple here on ICmag... (<3 for the clones too )...

The companies do have the choice:

Sell less at a high price

Or knock it down and try to sell many

You really wouldn't know which one to go for right off bat since, you nor I have not had any substantial research to draw anything of a conclusion... we can only predict... and those predictions are more of guesses....

In any case, this was a good debate Kirk, not like so many we find on here ending up in hatred.... I value, consider and appriciate your input very much so, Kirk, as any and all information is good information.

cheers!
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