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bobblehead's organic bedroom of high brix gardening

dank.frank

dank.frank

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DeathStar is a great plant...one of the skunkiest...roadkill type smells I've come across in YEARS. I was really impressed with her...and I did a piss poor job on her...and she still got rave reviews.



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SRGB

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Hi, bobblehead. Hi, dank.frank.

Respect.

We were only posting relevant to filtering data (posts) through the scientific method. We were not, in any way, attempting to denegrate the data presented, in any way. We posted merely as an neutral observer; please do try, if possible, to interpret our posts on this matter as
such.

Infact, the above recent posts were more akin to scientists, if you will, or simply gardeners, attempting to refine their approaches to the degree where they can be recognized universally (globally) as presentations consistent with int'l white papers or formulae that could be consistently reproduced universally, by any that might attempt replication.

Though we might, as a neutral observer, point to the prospect of an `organic` approach using the same or similar amount of input materials as perhaps being virtually the same as `synthetic` approaches, with regards to total inputs needed for the approach to function. That part perhaps, the organic gardener might consider. We hope that we have phrased this paragraph well enough that the gardener gleans the perspective that we were attempting to convey.

We are familiar with the long and voluminous work of Cornell`s agricultural work. In fact, they (Cornell) are, or at least were, when last we reviewed, a member of the NRAES (Natural Resource, Agricultural, and Engineering Service), of which there were approximately 14 member universities. They have a cooperative extentsion at Cornell, from which any interested party may request and receive data, literature, etc. Again, they have been researching agriculture for quite some time, and possess a great deal of data on many topics. At this point they probably possess well over a hundred years of all sorts of agricultural and gardening data; including data pertaining to the varied cultivar they have experimented with over the decades.

If a gardener were to begin studying some of their literature, they might, over a fair duration, perhaps model their presentations after how they model their datasets or presentations. The reason for this is so that each member, or reviewer, can more easily interpret the data, as they would all be on the same page with regards to outlining the concepts presented, and furthering the refinement of the datasets.

At times, when we read presentations (posts) containing potentially undefined concepts, or concepts that, perhaps could be interpreted ambiguously, we might recall the rigor with which some of the NRAES publications exhibited in their presentation - and with respect to the member (poster), perhaps consider that the member here could relay they own concepts or datasets in similar fashion. In effect, turning ICMAG into an equivalent, and perhaps, even more cutting edge resource (or, open laboratory, if you will); if the basic tenets of outline of concept, scientific method and ability to reproduce the concept solely based on the presentation(s).

If our previous posts were too direct in their concepts, we do apologize. It was not intended as personal messages to either you dank.frank, or you bobblehead, but, rather, perhaps a gentle prompting to maybe consider the possibility of configuring presentations to at least the degree where the individual points could be reproduced - no less than comparably to any study that the NRAES might publish. Ironically, some of the NRAES`s publications drove into us the benefit of refining concepts and presenting data (at least we strive to do so) in a verifiable, and reproducible manner, based on the scientific method.

Regarding the concept of an organism being `confused`, whether in the context of what to consume in a media or their sexuality, again, that word could be viewed ambiguously by a neutral observer. It might imply that the scientist, or gardener if you will, might have previously defined a rational state of the organism. If so, how was that determination made? And, can any gardener thereby, with reference to the intial presentation of recognizing such a state within an organism population, also be able to determine if the same organism population in their own garden, is either `confused` or not `confused` about any aspect of their condition(s)?

We certainly don`t know all of the myriad intangibles of gardening; whether orgainc or synthetic, etc. However, what we have gleaned from an appreciable degree of research into agriculture and general gardening, is that if the data is presented in a form which the gardener can reproduce the conditions, and verfiy each distinct state within the `system`, as clearly definied by the presenter, the science as a whole might progress in a more fluid and consitently definable manner.

In pertinent part, after experimenting with extremes in both organic approaches, conventional methods, and developing our own methods, a gardener could easily substitute `organic` for `synthetic` and yet still aquire the same or similar amount of goods to reach the same result. We suppose that our `interpretation` of organic gardening, at least its primary focal pint, might be to reduce the total amoun t of required inputs, and further use only inputs which were recycled from ordinary waste products from the human - not necessarily acquiring bags of `organic fertilizers`, to accomplish the task. The organic fertilizers could be egg shells, banana peels, lawn debris, etc.; in other words, `free` materials that might ordinarily be pitched as `waste` but repurposed by the `organic gardener` to serve a prolonged purpose.

In any event, thank you bobblehead for an engaging thread, and sharing your gardening progression. Thank you dank.frank for sharing your concepts and methods. We do hope that our posts have not interrupted the peaceful flow of positive exchanges.

@dank.frank. If possible, can you post the entirety, or part of (redacted if needed) one of the reports from CU?

We hope for and look forward to your continued gardening successes. All the best. For some reason we could not give postive or helpful post to dank.frank and bobblehead. +K to you both. Thank, again.

Kind regards,
/SRGB/
 
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bobblehead

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Here we are at 8 weeks! Hitting the home stretch! :whee: It looks like the tea worked to slow down the flush. I've been gradually lowering temps. The a/c's are set to 74F and 76F, room temp 80F.

Golden Goat- she's really starting to shine now. I'm happy I have a few of her vegging up.
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bobblehead

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Straw DD
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and the others... these ones are getting the chop.
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I'm looking forward to cutting this room down and getting a fresh start. I have some rearranging to do as well as sealing things up better. I'm expecting the whole room to look like the first 2 beds.
 
bobblehead

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dank.frank said:
SRGB - Hey man, I'm not trying to detract from the thread, so I replied to you in a rep message, in part...so it doesn't come off as being snide or pointed.

I soil test through Cornell. They've got one of the best programs in the nation. Some times, they laugh at me for sending in 20 different samples that all test nearly identical, and have often assumed I was taking core samples from a large field...

Other times they have been amazed at the various figures they've gotten from samples and test them multiple times to make sure there wasn't an error...

With much guidance, I've been able to dial in a soil formula that not only works on cannabis, but across a very broad range of plants...pretty much anything within a given pH range. Alter pH a bit and it works exactly the same for a different set of plants. The main reason for this is due to the beneficial bacteria populations that are present...

I'm not trying to play a game of wits or who can make the most comprehensive most ... the base line, is what I started with many years ago, and the improvements that have been gradually made, until a different base line was formed. With each elimination of a problem a new baseline is formed...it's progressive, but ultimately, I've worked with about 4 solid, improve from here, measures, over the course of the last 6 years or so. The only measure of success I rely on is the quality of my medicine. Is that subjective...perhaps...but only to the point of allowing myself to become jaded and thinking that I've got it "all" figured out. I'll never take claim to such a statement...but I do know (believe) that nature has it all figured out - and as much as I can leave to natural order, I do.

The HARDEST part of the equation, is really learning that EVERY cannabis plant actually DOES feed a bit differently, even clones...that in and of itself, can and does result in different test results. It took me a bit to realize some of my varying figures and miscalculations along the way were the result of this variance...

One day, perhaps I'll compile all the various tests and notes in the filing cabinets into some form of comprehensive conclusion. Until then, all I can do is share with others what I have learned from my personal first hand experience. It's not like I stand to gain anything by someone else growing better flowers...but they certainly do.



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Do you know how to use excel? Shouldn't take more than a day to compile your tests.
 
dank.frank

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This your first time working with the goat or deathstar? Golden Goat has some super intense flavors to say the least!!!

That canopy is looking massive! :respect: Way to get it done, bro!

As far as compiling the data to a spread sheet, etc - it'd take several weeks first of all...and the other issue is I'm not even in the same state as the info right now. The filing cabinets along with most of my possessions are in a storage locker...

I get the point SRGB is making - and like he said, given the notion my only base line is my own end results and whether or not there was improvement in the plants - just makes the numbers a bunch of numbers that don't really equate to anything other than to say, this is what was happening in the dirt. The relevancy of that is lost, without side by side photos and even more so without being someone that has smoked my flowers over the many years in which changes were gradually made...

Ultimately, the end result is the same - me saying, oh, this one here, was what worked....and well, I've already shared what helped, so how is contributing a bunch of otherwise random data any more conclusive??

But yeah, I suppose it would be nice if ICm could take a more scientific approach to all forms of presented information...as opposed to a this is what I do, blah, blah, blah. But again, all that really does, is give those who feel they could or might or would interpret the data differently the opportunity to do so.

For that matter, who it is we choose to listen to and take advice from, is for the large part already decided by each person - and that opinion is formed by a collective of posts and pictures made on this site...so how greatly useful a bunch of data compiled into a chart really is to those that haven't been working through each step of the process...it just seems a bit moot to me, to be honest.



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bobblehead

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dank.frank said:
This your first time working with the goat or deathstar? Golden Goat has some super intense flavors to say the least!!!

That canopy is looking massive! :respect: Way to get it done, bro!

As far as compiling the data to a spread sheet, etc - it'd take several weeks first of all...and the other issue is I'm not even in the same state as the info right now. The filing cabinets along with most of my possessions are in a storage locker...

I get the point SRGB is making - and like he said, given the notion my only base line is my own end results and whether or not there was improvement in the plants - just makes the numbers a bunch of numbers that don't really equate to anything other than to say, this is what was happening in the dirt. The relevancy of that is lost, without side by side photos and even more so without being someone that has smoked my flowers over the many years in which changes were gradually made...

Ultimately, the end result is the same - me saying, oh, this one here, was what worked....and well, I've already shared what helped, so how is contributing a bunch of otherwise random data any more conclusive??

But yeah, I suppose it would be nice if ICm could take a more scientific approach to all forms of presented information...as opposed to a this is what I do, blah, blah, blah. But again, all that really does, is give those who feel they could or might or would interpret the data differently the opportunity to do so.

For that matter, who it is we choose to listen to and take advice from, is for the large part already decided by each person - and that opinion is formed by a collective of posts and pictures made on this site...so how greatly useful a bunch of data compiled into a chart really is to those that haven't been working through each step of the process...it just seems a bit moot to me, to be honest.



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This was my 2nd grow with the Death Star :D, but I've been growing Goat for a while now. Goat is a great plant if you like lemon. I'm between Death Star and Goat for a monocrop right now... Or at least 1/2-3/4 of the room. I'd rather have the beds filled up with one variety, and have 2kw to try out new plants and grow some personal stash.

This is all still very surreal given that it wasn't that long ago I was growing in a walk-in closet in my 1 bedroom apt. Less than 4 years ago my whole grow didn't even add up to 2kw. It was a big deal to sell a qp in a day.

Not gonna argue the semantics of data analysis. Thanks for sharing what you know. I need to keep better records myself. I'm so used to keeping everything off paper in case I got busted... but that's not much of a concern anymore. All of the sudden I'm terrified to go over my plant count. lol...
 
Greenlife1

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Great thread bobble.
Just moved to mi myself a few weeks ago.
I will be doing something similar to you except no beds yet.
 
high life 45

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bobblehead said:
This is all still very surreal given that it wasn't that long ago I was growing in a walk-in closet in my 1 bedroom apt. Less than 4 years ago my whole grow didn't even add up to 2kw. It was a big deal to sell a qp in a day.
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I am with ya on that buddy!!!

Not that long ago I had gotten out of a nasty relationship and was staying on my buddies loveseat. I got him to put a tent up in his bedroom. Now the same buddy sleeps in my warehouse. :biggrin:
 
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