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GMax
I like how that Straw DD looks with all the buds condensed in the top and damn she does look like a yielder
very inspirational bro... I miss growing trees.. these X rooms are intriguing to me, and I may want to do one myself one day...
I only ask you this because you tend to have an open mind... but what do u think about using a reflector for the corner bulbs ???
is your room an X shape of plants or X shape of bulbs...?
I know you got every square inch covered in reflectix to keep the light bouncing around in every direction, but it is doing exactly that, boucing light I every direction...with a reflector, it would condense and reflect the light exactly back where you want it.. I am imagining a sideways batwing reflector
if you have an X room of bulbs..you can have one "true vert" bulb in the middle, and then 4 batwing bulbs on the edges, and have the benefits of vert and hort in one, the best of both worlds.. how can any vertical nay-sayer argue with that ?
I worry that the batwing may not have enough spread for a vertical application, but maybe....
I know what you are thinking, reflectors in vert?!! this guy crazy.... but just a thought.. you are already doing what you should with the reflectix which may make the reflector not worth the extra $$$... understand that I am not really saying you should, more like what if ?
very inspirational bro... I miss growing trees.. these X rooms are intriguing to me, and I may want to do one myself one day...
I only ask you this because you tend to have an open mind... but what do u think about using a reflector for the corner bulbs ???
is your room an X shape of plants or X shape of bulbs...?
I know you got every square inch covered in reflectix to keep the light bouncing around in every direction, but it is doing exactly that, boucing light I every direction...with a reflector, it would condense and reflect the light exactly back where you want it.. I am imagining a sideways batwing reflector
if you have an X room of bulbs..you can have one "true vert" bulb in the middle, and then 4 batwing bulbs on the edges, and have the benefits of vert and hort in one, the best of both worlds.. how can any vertical nay-sayer argue with that ?
I worry that the batwing may not have enough spread for a vertical application, but maybe....
I know what you are thinking, reflectors in vert?!! this guy crazy.... but just a thought.. you are already doing what you should with the reflectix which may make the reflector not worth the extra $$$... understand that I am not really saying you should, more like what if ?
Great minds think alike G... There a 600w lamp in the middle, and 4 430's in the corners... I would have put batwings on the 430's, but I just didn't/don't have the extra cash for reflectors right now. I had also thought about angling the corners so the light didn't have to travel so far before being reflected... But other things take priority when I'm only at the grow 2 days a week max... I'm working on getting my second spot up and running... Dealing with 2 types of fungus gnats... Fucked up shit...
Chances are this room will be redesigned after this grow anyway, so w/e....
village green
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From what I can find, the gravitas out-perform any other light in a reflector but I think the manufacturer advises horizontal only. I would like to be wrong though.
Not talking about their new DE 1000w. Gavita makes 400 and 600w bulb with a built in reflector. Here is a link
http://www.4hydroponics.com/lighting/items.asp?ItemNo=gavitaHPS <----- corrected link to actual bulb.
Basicly half of the outside glass on the bulb has a mirrored coating.
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village green
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I remember wondering about those when they came out. The link you gave describes a bulb which they compare favorably to the Gravita. I couldn't tell who the manufacturer is.
Right you are, probably a cheap chinese knock off. I'd grab the real gavita bulb if I was going that route. The link was just to give everyone an idea of what I was talking about.
village green
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I wonder about the footprint of those vs. a vertically oriented hood for our purposes. Speaking of gavita, I've seen some grows documented with their LEP which were impressive for veg not to mention its effect on bud quality when mixed with HID. More importantly, how's that weenie dog?
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DaveTheNewbie
ive always wondered this too ... the corner bulbs seem against the theory of vert with all of the bulb blasting plants.
I've never seen one of the those bulbs lit in real life, so I have no idea what their spread is. Bet whazzup could answer that though
. It would also depend on the reflector and bulb combination, if going that route. I can say a non-vented blockbuster with a 600w bulb produces a pretty ideal rectangular pattern. I'm also very interested in the LEP, but cost to benefit ratio isn't in line yet. The technology is still too new in our market. I did however order two 400w CMH to add in place of one of the 600's in my rack setup. I've been studying the effects of spectrum on plants for a couple years now, and i'm finally convinced there's really something to be said for offering up full spectrum to your plants. Time for some real world testing 
.Lil dog is a giant pain in my ass
, but my girl loves him so.......
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You know guys.....I`m really not sure bout the origin of Krusty`s 4 plant 5 light perfect plant/light placement for 4 big plants in a 10 x 10 room with lights in the X pattern , and the plants in the middle of each wall for the "diamond pattern" but......
I do know this.....with all the walls and ceilings covered in reflectix making the room it`s own air-cooled reflector , there was never a need for reflectors behind the bulbs in the corners and .....I`ll tell yas why......
The light/plant placement as such along with the bulb in the middle allowed each plant to be blasted sideways by 3 bulbs at all times , where the corner bulbs catch the middles and back sides of the plants and the middle cheap ass Metal Halide provided 360 degree coverage into the plant canopy as well as adding that full plant spectrum Mr D`s talkin bout......and trust me......
What ya`ll are discussing has been heatedly argued about back in the day at ALL the old weedsites , and NOBODY to date has ever come up with a better design for lumen penetration/absorption...and see.....
To sum it up....Yes it looks like there could actually be some benefit to reflectors behind the bare bulbs in the corners IF yas were wantin lumens directed back toward the middle of the room , and maybe a batwing type apparatus might spread light a lil more sideways than back toward the middles.......but.....
There`s still the issue of stored heatgain with the reflectors that will guaranteed take more environmental control with increased room ambient temps , so with that said.....
If yas were gonna try a hybrid setup , I`d go with Bobble`s idea of choppin/angling the corners behind the bulbs to blast light more sideways than right back at the middle of the room.......regardless......
Far be it from me to squash the creative thought process , cuz that`s how I came up with all my shit after krusty buckets , and great minds do think alike or else all my twisted kids wouldn`t be down here in vert-ville , You`d be runnin air-cooled horizontal reflectors like the Hydro-Whore Manufacturers want us to grow with.......so......anyways.......
Nuff of my morning wake and bake in Bobble world.......Ya`ll take care and don`t fuck up too bad tomorrow night on New Yrs Eve.....Stay safe and.......
Peace...Freds......
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I do know this.....with all the walls and ceilings covered in reflectix making the room it`s own air-cooled reflector , there was never a need for reflectors behind the bulbs in the corners and .....I`ll tell yas why......
The light/plant placement as such along with the bulb in the middle allowed each plant to be blasted sideways by 3 bulbs at all times , where the corner bulbs catch the middles and back sides of the plants and the middle cheap ass Metal Halide provided 360 degree coverage into the plant canopy as well as adding that full plant spectrum Mr D`s talkin bout......and trust me......
What ya`ll are discussing has been heatedly argued about back in the day at ALL the old weedsites , and NOBODY to date has ever come up with a better design for lumen penetration/absorption...and see.....
To sum it up....Yes it looks like there could actually be some benefit to reflectors behind the bare bulbs in the corners IF yas were wantin lumens directed back toward the middle of the room , and maybe a batwing type apparatus might spread light a lil more sideways than back toward the middles.......but.....
There`s still the issue of stored heatgain with the reflectors that will guaranteed take more environmental control with increased room ambient temps , so with that said.....
If yas were gonna try a hybrid setup , I`d go with Bobble`s idea of choppin/angling the corners behind the bulbs to blast light more sideways than right back at the middle of the room.......regardless......
Far be it from me to squash the creative thought process , cuz that`s how I came up with all my shit after krusty buckets , and great minds do think alike or else all my twisted kids wouldn`t be down here in vert-ville , You`d be runnin air-cooled horizontal reflectors like the Hydro-Whore Manufacturers want us to grow with.......so......anyways.......
Nuff of my morning wake and bake in Bobble world.......Ya`ll take care and don`t fuck up too bad tomorrow night on New Yrs Eve.....Stay safe and.......
Peace...Freds......
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Looking Good Bro 
You know guys.....I`m really not sure bout the origin of Krusty`s 4 plant 5 light perfect plant/light placement for 4 big plants in a 10 x 10 room with lights in the X pattern , and the plants in the middle of each wall for the "diamond pattern" but......
I do know this.....with all the walls and ceilings covered in reflectix making the room it`s own air-cooled reflector , there was never a need for reflectors behind the bulbs in the corners and .....I`ll tell yas why......
The light/plant placement as such along with the bulb in the middle allowed each plant to be blasted sideways by 3 bulbs at all times , where the corner bulbs catch the middles and back sides of the plants and the middle cheap ass Metal Halide provided 360 degree coverage into the plant canopy as well as adding that full plant spectrum Mr D`s talkin bout......and trust me......
What ya`ll are discussing has been heatedly argued about back in the day at ALL the old weedsites , and NOBODY to date has ever come up with a better design for lumen penetration/absorption...and see.....
To sum it up....Yes it looks like there could actually be some benefit to reflectors behind the bare bulbs in the corners IF yas were wantin lumens directed back toward the middle of the room , and maybe a batwing type apparatus might spread light a lil more sideways than back toward the middles.......but.....
There`s still the issue of stored heatgain with the reflectors that will guaranteed take more environmental control with increased room ambient temps , so with that said.....
If yas were gonna try a hybrid setup , I`d go with Bobble`s idea of choppin/angling the corners behind the bulbs to blast light more sideways than right back at the middle of the room.......regardless......
Far be it from me to squash the creative thought process , cuz that`s how I came up with all my shit after krusty buckets , and great minds do think alike or else all my twisted kids wouldn`t be down here in vert-ville , You`d be runnin air-cooled horizontal reflectors like the Hydro-Whore Manufacturers want us to grow with.......so......anyways.......
Nuff of my morning wake and bake in Bobble world.......Ya`ll take care and don`t fuck up too bad tomorrow night on New Yrs Eve.....Stay safe and.......
Peace...Freds......
Agreed as usual. Your point about the stored heat gain is exactly why i've always wondered about those gavita bulbs. No extra metal to hold heat (should, as far as heats concerned, act very similar to a regular bare bulb setup), but you still have the advantage of less distance traveled before light is directed back towards the plants. Less distance is less intensity lost before being reflected.
If I was to continue this style of growing, I would first try the aluminized lamps.... Or at least read more about them... Second, if I didn't like the aluminized lamps, I would stretch out aluminum batwing reflectors to direct light out of the corners and off to the sides directed at the plants. Aluminum is a poor conductor and therefore doesn't hold on to heat very well. The metal housing of a full size air-cooled reflector is what really holds heat.
The 600 is gonna get pull out of the room and the 430's will be moved into a stack for 1720w. Trees or racks idk, we'll see. Hopefully that answers some questions.
Edit: I should add that with angled corners, the reflective material needs a fan blowing on it to prevent it from melting... So the batwing reflector is also a safety precaution. I know back in the day they just put muffin fans in the corners blowing onto the walls... But I know from experience that they crap out after months of consecutive use.
The 600 is gonna get pull out of the room and the 430's will be moved into a stack for 1720w. Trees or racks idk, we'll see. Hopefully that answers some questions.
Edit: I should add that with angled corners, the reflective material needs a fan blowing on it to prevent it from melting... So the batwing reflector is also a safety precaution. I know back in the day they just put muffin fans in the corners blowing onto the walls... But I know from experience that they crap out after months of consecutive use.
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In the octagon I built I can fit 96 plants comfortably. I'm working on filling it up soon. It's a bit of work getting enough clones together to monocrop.
Happy New Year Bobble!
