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big plant ppk

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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Its pretty easy to move the cages with the ppk.. not sure how big mine were.

You could use the four foot fencing and make a cylinder that will fit inside the top bucket...
Thats what I am doing in the new spot.

Then you can weave around the cage and tie back to the cage etc

Your plants look a lil big, you could tie them up like xmas tress and then slip the cage over, untie them and work them through. (i have done this in the past)

My old cages worked well but took up precious crawling space on the ground.

The box is sweating? are you sure its not condensation?
Seems like a truck box should be water proof.

What are the dimensions of your room again?

the room is L29'1''xW9'2"xH7'. i gained 7" vertical by removing the caddies so i have 67" of vertical plant room.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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If it is condensation:

What about constructing a foam insulation board box to sit that truck box in. Might be a cheap alternative ($20 for the foam sheet) as opposed to finding something else to use.


My Rubbermaid "farm tanks" are some kind of pvc foam construction, but do not leak in any way.

it seems to be drying up. maybe the micro pores are clogging up with micro crap.
 

zeke99

Active member
I visited a "The Container Store" location today. According to the website there are quite a few in the U.S. states. If you're looking to clone or grow seedlings using the delta9nxs style, this is a place where one can find useful containers that stack together perfectly...
 

forkup

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I realize these 2 plants didn't get trained for lack of time but do you still intend on training them as flatly, 2 dimensionally as possible? I know the last round got away with you but I'm wondering if that way will work with the plant mass you will have. Your earlier ideas on training them flat for a better presentation to the lights sounds like a great idea to me with your setup, ie all the lighting in a single line thru the center of the room. Is this even possible (with the bushiness and plant mass you will have to cram into a smaller flat space) without a lot of pruning. I wonder if too much mass crammed into a too small space will crowd the plants too much thereby ending up with a lot of larf which I know you want to avoid.

Marlos WOW thread with the fencing on the walls that he uses to train plants to seems like a reasonable way to accomplish the desired flat profile but of course his plants are much smaller. My concern is by using his method on trees is having room to EASILY work on the plants. We all know if they are harder to work on it's less likely to give them the attention they need.

I'm totally sold on the ppk trees however I still have doubts anyone has found the best light/plant/training setup. HLs checkerboard pattern seems to be the grail for big spaces but smaller spaces are challenging. I've spent many hours observing yours, HLs, IFs, zeke99s and all the other ppkers plus every other setup known to man. It's a very intriguing dilemma with the countless variables we have to deal with.

Btw the new setup is banging!
 
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DaveTheNewbie

I realize these 2 plants didn't get trained for lack of time but do you still intend on training them as flatly, 2 dimensionally as possible? I know the last round got away with you but I'm wondering if that way will work with the plant mass you will have. Your earlier ideas on training them flat for a better presentation to the lights sounds like a great idea to me with your setup, ie all the lighting in a single line thru the center of the room. Is this even possible (with the bushiness and plant mass you will have to cram into a smaller flat space) without a lot of pruning. I wonder if too much mass crammed into a too small space will crowd the plants too much thereby ending up with a lot of larf which I know you want to avoid.

Marlos WOW thread with the fencing on the walls that he uses to train plants to seems like a reasonable way to accomplish the desired flat profile but of course his plants are much smaller. My concern is by using his method on trees is having room to EASILY work on the plants. We all know if they are harder to work on it's less likely to give them the attention they need.

i did this with trees and it worked, but it was a bitch to harvest
every little bud stuck to the screen, you have to carry the whole screen and pick each bud off of it. At least that was my experience.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
Veteran
I realize these 2 plants didn't get trained for lack of time but do you still intend on training them as flatly, 2 dimensionally as possible? I know the last round got away with you but I'm wondering if that way will work with the plant mass you will have. Your earlier ideas on training them flat for a better presentation to the lights sounds like a great idea to me with your setup, ie all the lighting in a single line thru the center of the room. Is this even possible (with the bushiness and plant mass you will have to cram into a smaller flat space) without a lot of pruning. I wonder if too much mass crammed into a too small space will crowd the plants too much thereby ending up with a lot of larf which I know you want to avoid.

Marlos WOW thread with the fencing on the walls that he uses to train plants to seems like a reasonable way to accomplish the desired flat profile but of course his plants are much smaller. My concern is by using his method on trees is having room to EASILY work on the plants. We all know if they are harder to work on it's less likely to give them the attention they need.

I'm totally sold on the ppk trees however I still have doubts anyone has found the best light/plant/training setup. HLs checkerboard pattern seems to be the grail for big spaces but smaller spaces are challenging. I've spent many hours observing yours, HLs, IFs, zeke99s and all the other ppkers plus every other setup known to man. It's a very intriguing dilemma with the countless variables we have to deal with.

Btw the new setup is banging!

lights, plants, training! it's like a big puzzle with pieces missing!

one thing is for sure though and that is that the future of legal growing is going to involve plant limits and that dictates big plants.

after my last 2 very labor intensive grows i'm looking at some easier techniques.

i want to be able to walk around upright.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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my little veg room. i'm going to keep the cool tube here for safety. i've moved one of my ac's and removed the ducts.

the middle one is my first new clone. it's been in there for about 2 days and has grown 2" from transplant.
 
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delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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the first shot just shows the working distance to the lights. all single shots are the same plant, the first one to go to flower at 4 weeks 4 days.

it has been 2 weeks today. we measured it at 62" wide. and that's a yardstick standing on the medium in the last photo.

i only have the 2 plants in flower so far as i wait for clones. once they start it will be a plant a week for all eternity.
 
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zeke99

Active member
Looking good!

I can't wait to begin again. Got some seedlings and clones right now, that's about it and moving in two weeks.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
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same plant at transplant 2/25/13, 3 days into flower 4/1/13 , and 14 days into flower, 4/12/13.
 
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noyd666

delta9xs, come across this site= affordable buckets= in victor iowa, willdo without handles etc, all sizes cheap freight, might help out some of your followers of ppk.
 

Ne0nSaGe

Member
This is really a inspiration for us medical growers that have limited plant counts. When i move out of my apt and get a house with a basement this will be the route i go. Are the pvc sticks that go into the bottom buckets enough that when moving plants they are not top heavy and tip over? Also what glue are you using for hour pvc fittings? Regular pool pvc glue or something suited more for aquairums? What are u expecting yeild per plant? I would start a setup like this now but i would have to make everything smaller due to running in a 4x8 tent.
 

SecondAttempt

Active member
There are several examples of this setup scaled down on the site... start now, otherwise you're wasting time, 4x8 is about the footprint I'm using for 2 donuts.
 

high life 45

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A crowd pleaser as always!

Are you sticking with 800ppm co2 for the perpetual?

A plant a week sounds great to me.

Got some ppks next to my bros amended coco. His plants are locked out, the ppks are ppkin right along. No transplant shock from an overvegged cloner plant either. LOL They are barely even gettin their roots into the new system and hes already wanting to switch to the ppk.
This is after a months of his doubts,
I said, You do what you want in that room, Ill do what I want in this one.
His plants had a 1.5 month head start, getting full light, mine gettin 4hours of hps and the rest flouro. lol
I love the ppk.
 

delta9nxs

No Jive Productions
Veteran
This is really a inspiration for us medical growers that have limited plant counts. When i move out of my apt and get a house with a basement this will be the route i go. Are the pvc sticks that go into the bottom buckets enough that when moving plants they are not top heavy and tip over? Also what glue are you using for hour pvc fittings? Regular pool pvc glue or something suited more for aquairums? What are u expecting yeild per plant? I would start a setup like this now but i would have to make everything smaller due to running in a 4x8 tent.

welcome!

all the containers that i have used are pretty much stable. you will have to support plants somehow anyway.

when you get to the building point all the folks here can help you design an efficient room with everything sized and scaled right.

i learned a long time ago not to have any expectations on yield so i'm never disappointed but i hope to get at least a lb per.

what are your plant count limits?
 

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