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Big Bud...Strain Lineage & General Info?

jawnroot

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Looking to maybe (maybe) give Big Bud a try next run, as I can get a clone of it. I know a lot of folks give BB a hard time, saying it's weak, smells like hay, and all kinds of crap. In fact, I didn't think very highly of the strain until a friend grew it out a few years back. Really excellent looking stuff, nice smell, and a very pleasant high.

So with that in mind, anyone know what the genetic background on this one is? Any other pertinent info?
 

MickTheBrag

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its a northern lights cross. its NL# crossed with a heavy yielding afghani hence the name big bud.
if the clone you get does'nt work out try sensiseeds.com's big bud you cant go wrong there.:dance013:
 

titoon29

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Hello mate !

not sure about bb lineage, but i think it is Skunk #1 x Afghani
I and a friend of mine grew the big bud from nirvana few years ago, she was not finished at 12 weeks. also i smoked few big buds nugs, and the critical mass from spanish breeder which is supposed to be a big bud i think.

for me big bud is standard herb, you really find afghani and skunky tones in it, definetly, you can tell. If you ve smoke or grown both of this strains, try to imagine a typical mix, depending on the individual, for ex the bilbo cut i smoked was a quite skunky pheno, so more tasty than the usual BB.
the high is not the best around, i smoked more uplifting BB as well as more stoney, but it s a mixed indica/sativa high, which i usually don t enjoy as much as pure ind or sat... You are high while having this slight indica/couchlock influence, or stone with little uplifting influence. not my kind of stuff

the phenos i grew where quite stretchy, more sativa structure while having some indica density in it. nice yield esp under fluoros.

It is typical commercial herb, it will definetly please most people who don t smoke that much (bag appeal is nice too) or have access to only commercial buds, but for people who actually enjoy the variety of high herb can provide, that s far from the best.

I really would reckon you to go for the ssh if you like haze, or the satori from mandala which seems to have an incredible uplifting postive high. You can t grow wrong with any of these, and i can tell you ll even get some of the best individuals you ve ever smoked.

hope it helps !!!

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chizzleonetime

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big bud someone i know runs two phenos one that is hay/catpiss shit pheno and another that was very fruity ,,,, think she used nirvana .... the fruity one was a nice smoke nicely potent just a bit of a boring couchlock high
 

outdoordreams

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Correct me if Im wrong, but Big Bud originally came from the Pacific Northwest.

She can be very large yeilding, and very potent depending on where you get your cutting/seeds from. There is a BC big bud here that kicks ass! Ive also tried a California Bigbud that was very nice too.

I was told that Northern Lights, Big Bud, and Hash Plant are all related somehow.
 

Clackamas Coot

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Correct me if Im wrong, but Big Bud originally came from the Pacific Northwest.
Correct - from Portland, Oregon.

Neville's "The Seed Bank" catalog (circa 1988) offered a strain called 'Big Skunk' which was a cross (according to the catalog) of a Skunk #1 and Big Bud which was a strain-only plant at the time. Big Bud was/is a very, very mediocre 'cash crop' strain. Cuts from the original plant are all over up in Portland with the wannabe Cannabis Cowboy Crowd (C-3) or what I call the WPFF.

Personally I think that it's worthless other than for growing and selling high-end beasters.

YMMV

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jawnroot

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Personally I think that it's worthless other than for growing and selling high-end beasters.

Have you actually grown and smoked big bud before? Not trying to front, as they say, but I thought it was a useless strain as well until a buddy grew it, and I was able to experience it first hand. It's good shit when properly done, no doubt about it. FAR FAR FAR different and better than any beasters I've encountered. This is A grade stuff.

And I'm talking SoCal cuts here, not $15 a pack beans.
 

Clackamas Coot

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Have you actually grown and smoked big bud before? Not trying to front, as they say, but I thought it was a useless strain as well until a buddy grew it, and I was able to experience it first hand. It's good shit when properly done, no doubt about it. FAR FAR FAR different and better than any beasters I've encountered. This is A grade stuff.

And I'm talking SoCal cuts here, not $15 a pack beans.
I'm not talking about beans at all. I'm talking about Big Bud cuts from many, many growers in Oregon & Washington that are from the 'original plant' not because it's even decent but because it gives you 'big buds' - hence the name.....

Here's the exact the exact entry in the original catalog from 1989:
Big Skunk

This F-1 hybrid is a cross between Skunk #1 and the world-famous Big Bud. FOr sheer yeild and hybrid vigor, this is the best yet. Huge buds, excellent resin, taste and high. Somewhat variable, approximately 1 in 4 females will be an extreme heavy yielder, with the longer-flowering plants giveng the biggest yields. In fact, Big Skunk has the best indoor yield of any tested variety. ALso work well outdoors with a long season.

Flowering period at 12 hours of darkness: 45-65
Price $80
Not exactly a ringing endorsement eh?

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indifferent

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Correct me if Im wrong, but Big Bud originally came from the Pacific Northwest.

She can be very large yeilding, and very potent depending on where you get your cutting/seeds from. There is a BC big bud here that kicks ass! Ive also tried a California Bigbud that was very nice too.

I was told that Northern Lights, Big Bud, and Hash Plant are all related somehow.

You sir, are correct, Big Bud the original cutting was an Afghan. It is grown all over the west of Canada and the PNW, often in biker/krusty bucket setups and those guys are growing purely for yield so they feed and feed and feed and don't flush at all, it's nothing at all like how the conoisseur grows so it's impossible to judge how good that cutting is from how it is grown by most of those who still grow it.

Hashplant is probably a hybrid of the original Big Bud Afghani to another indica as it yields similar to Big Bud and has more resin and is more potent. There used to be a ton of pics of both the Big Bud and HP on overgrow and other places, Krusty rock both hard in his recirc bucket systems with huge buds but I'm not sure I'd want to smoke it, not cos the genes are crap but because they grew it with max nutes and liquid silicon and I don't like smoking that kind of bud, I like my smoke to be well flushed!

Correct - from Portland, Oregon.

Neville's "The Seed Bank" catalog (circa 1988) offered a strain called 'Big Skunk' which was a cross (according to the catalog) of a Skunk #1 and Big Bud which was a strain-only plant at the time. Big Bud was/is a very, very mediocre 'cash crop' strain. Cuts from the original plant are all over up in Portland with the wannabe Cannabis Cowboy Crowd (C-3) or what I call the WPFF.

Personally I think that it's worthless other than for growing and selling high-end beasters.

YMMV

CC

Well, you're close. The Big Skunk was in the 88 catalogue, it was the original Big Bud cutting crossed to a Skunk:

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The original Big Bud was first featured in the 1987 The Seedbank catalogue and judging by the pics and description, I'd says it was an Afghan.

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When the Big Bud seeds came out later that year they were Big Bud x NL#1 then BXed to the Big Bud, so 75% Big Bud:

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Have you actually grown and smoked big bud before? Not trying to front, as they say, but I thought it was a useless strain as well until a buddy grew it, and I was able to experience it first hand. It's good shit when properly done, no doubt about it. FAR FAR FAR different and better than any beasters I've encountered. This is A grade stuff.

And I'm talking SoCal cuts here, not $15 a pack beans.

Have you got a pic of the SoCal cut? be interesting to see if it looks like the pic by Buko in the 87 catalogue.
 
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Dalaihempy

Big bud well what is offerd as big bud is basicly good commercial cannabis as i saw it critical mass is a re worked vertion of big bud basically parents changed around if big bud is af x sk critical mass is sk x af it is like all hybrid seed lines needs selection but like i sed i saw it as good commercial mj thats it is nothing more i would rather smoke any haze hybrid my self.

But it was not week pot basically what id expect from a sk line.

So big bud is a sk af line.
 

indifferent

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So big bud is a sk af line.

No, it's Big Bud x NL #1 then backcrossed to Big Bud, says so in the May 1987 Seedbank Update I just posted.

Critical Mass is Big Bud reworked but Shanti has never said whether he worked with Big Bud seeds or took the original cutting and crossed it to Skunk.
 

jawnroot

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Not exactly a ringing endorsement eh?

You're citing a reference to Big Skunk, not Big Bud. Either way, it's not a bad write up...but it doesn't matter. Sixth hand knowledge from twenty odd years ago means little to me. I've personally watched the plant grow. Smelled it. Held it. Smoked it. And I can tell you after having sampled countless strains that it is indeed top shelf pot when done properly. You can call Big Bud whatever you'd like, but I know what I saw, know what I smoked, feel me? :smokey:

Is it as exotic as a full-blooded haze, or any of the myriad new crosses out there? No, I suppose not. But still excellent stuff, and far and away better than any sponge weed beasters....unless you harvest it two weeks early, stuff it in your armpits for three weeks, compress it, smuggle it in car tires, then steam it to add weight.

indifferent: Sorry man, no pictures. Even though my buddy is a med patient as well, he's a real conspiracy theory type. Gets all twitchy when he sees anything with a lens on it.

At the end of the day, I've more or less determined Big Bud to be a skunk cross (based upon posts here, as well as outside research). What exactly it's crossed to varies depending upon who you speak with. Some say Afghani, others NL. Still other's have more far fetched possibilities, but most agree skunk is predominate. Given that I'm running Green Crack next go (skunk x afghani) I'll probably go with something else for the variety.
 

outdoordreams

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The Original Big Bud clone has no Skunk. It was not until Northern Lights, Hash Plant, and Big Bud were sent to Holland that they all got crossed to skunk.
 

FOE20

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The Original Big Bud clone has no Skunk. It was not until Northern Lights, Hash Plant, and Big Bud were sent to Holland that they all got crossed to skunk.
agreed...

Its sort of a who knows now....but BigBud is what it always was which was a nice solid hybrid...The reason there are different qualities is the croppers go 7-8wks or it was in the wrong region, where to start its a 10week(70day) variety...Like good old Skunks are..but they need that extra few wks otherwise you get mids...theres prob nothing wrong with any cut or seed...Kushes can be quite fast..but old Afghans are not..and Skunks can be fast but it wasn't a Early or SuperSkunk used in the orig old breed....this is a old variety now a days...and you want the oldest versions if you can but just try to grow them a few different times/ages before claims are set...good luk
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I got some seeds from a friend who owns a dispensary, he said it was supposed to be pineapple big bud. I grew out a few, there is one in particular that did very well, head and shoulders above the rest growth wise and that's what I took cutting from to have for a mom later. I have 4-5 pineapple big buds in various stages of flower, all are separate plants grown from seed. I don't smell any pineapple yet, almost 7 weeks into flower, nice bud structure so far, and just your typical marijuana smell. I haven't harvested yet, and I only took cutting from the fast growing one, so if other phenos show (and they all look the same so far) then I guess if they're better then the one I actually took cuts from then I guess I'll be dissapointed. I don't have super high expectations for this strain in potency, but one can always be pleasantly surprised right?
 

ChaosCatalunya

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I have run the UK Vietnamese clone version, aka "ting tong" not sure exactly which Big Bud or Critical Mass it is from, think it is the latter though. Grown right it is very large yielding and OK taste/smell/potency, just way short of the dank lovelyness out there that yields slightly less.

I have just picked up the Kritikal Bilbo cut as well as I was promised this was a "good smoke" as well as a fat producer because friends like that, I will try it but hold no great hope of finding a stellar smoke, just a cutting popular in some quarters.

There are several crosses made with Kali Mist I am running to test out, trying to find the elusive Yield and Quality 10/10 .... As a good friend pointed out to me, my interest is in looking for the Holy Grail... :biggrin:

With the Sensi version of Big Bud, I seem to remember [Ed R ?] talking about how it was a Clone only strain from the PNW [as others here have said] and how only 1 in 16 female seeds would be both High Yielding and Potent. After checking my calculator, it seems that this means you need 32 seeds for an even chance of finding one "Real" Big Bud from a pack... I have not heard this mentioned about MNS Critical Mass and there is talk of it having been "worked" for consistency and flavour/high improvements.
 
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highsteppa

As much as people lke to hate on Big Bud, there is some good BB out there. In our area a lone there are 2 Big bud crosses that have been around along time and are/will be kept even though people have access to fancier cuts like KKSC and Sour, chems etc
 
Hmmm. I was in the garden today staring at all my different pineapple big buds and one of the ones earlier in flower definately looks like a different phenome from the others. The leaves look a lot more indica and the bud structure is really different from the others... I knew this would happen. I have more seeds where that came from, just growing them out from seed to find keepers is very time consuming.
 

indifferent

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I don't think Critical Mass is the same as Big Bud, I think Critical Mass is the Big Skunk line i.e. Big Bud x Skunk then worked a lot.

All these people taking about the original Bug Bud seedline being Skunky can't have grown it, there was nothing remotely Skunky about it, it was a giant indica, looked like a pumped up Afghani and smoked liek an average potency Afghani, which makes sense as the Big Bud cutting was an Afghani and Neville crossed it to his best Afghani male (NL#1).

Critical Mass is skunky, which is why I think it's the Big Skunk (Big Bud x Skunk) and not Big Bud x NL1. I've smoked that Bilbo cut and it's garbage, looks good but is so bland and mediocre. Then again, it was better than the other Spanish commercial buds we say which were all crappy Widow or AK crosses. There's a long wazy to go before the Spanish catch up, met a few commercial growers there and one told me he thought it was good if he only got 15-20 seeds per ounce, er no, stop growing feminised crap then you'll have zero seeds per ounce. Another guy had weed that was so full of mites it snapped, crackled and popped. The worst case of ignorance was the guy who thought he had unbelievable resin levels but in reality his plants were covered in PM and he mistook it for resin.

It was the same in the UK in the 90s, but thank god, knowledge had improved and it will in Spain.
 

HazemannHå

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I've grown multiple generations of Sensi BB, and there is definitely sativa in it. If it's Skunk#1 in it, it's an older, less stable version than the one we know today.
 
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