Big brother and 7-11?

[marx2k]

WTF?? Your SS#?? I sincerely hope you didn't give them your SS# for an oil change. WTF!

Can't wait for my RealID

 

[Guest]

its not something so worry about too much for current purchases (possibly in the future but not now) only because i doubt the gov or anyone else cares. People can hack your license info off DMV databases anyway if they want them so badly, though I agree it might be easier to steal a scanner from a station and get the info out of it than to h ack into DMV databases.
I have no experience with either so i wouldn't know.

first thoughts.............plenty of my friends roll their own cigs.......papers aren't illegal and aren't paraphenalia unless they have residue on them or weed in them.

Its just like people are saying.....they can't trust cashiers to verify ages and it just simplifies it if they just scan ID's of anyone of questionable (looks under 30) age.

I think its much more discreet than buying from headshops online with my creditcards as i KNOW that information is stored for at least a year in most cases (tax records, etc) while the gas station recored are most likely deleted within a week if not immediately (unless there's one of those special laws that makes them hold it for x number of days or whatnot)

 

[TheBigGreen1]

You must live in MD, Va, or DC. Dont sweat it. The cops do the same thing with your license when when they pull you over. Supposedly putting magnets on either side of the strip renders it inactive. She is probably new. Or just doing her job. The fines for selling tobacco or alcohol to someone underage are rediculous these days. She was probbly more worried about getting busted and fined than you are. I had a friend that had to do jail time because he served a minor alcohol. I wouldnt be suprised if the cash register wont let her ring it through unless she scanned your ID. Welcome to the brave new world. Peace be with you.

 

[SmokeyPufmaster]

Went to Wal-Mart to get my oil changed. They scanned my VIN number, got my Drivers License #, and asked for my SS#. That's messed up. Just for an oil change. Doesn't seem right to me.

There it is. How out front can you get. If any merchant asks for my DL and ss# to buy a product, they can keep it. And I'd be willing to make a court case out of it. The more records kept the more their rife for abuse.

 

[Nubie Biatch]

It's messed up. The lady from the lube place had the little hand scanner and physically scanned my vin, swiped my DL, and asked for my SS. When I gave her the third degree as to why I was being so thoroughly documented, she gave the usual.."Dunno, just doing my job" line.

I live in TX so that doesn't say much. They aren't very big on civil liberties in the bible belt.

As far as papers... Never been ID for those. I think that's even scarier. I've also seen a readout of what is stored on the DL magnetic strip. It's all the stuff on the license. Name, address, BD, restrictions, etc.
I'm trying to get a second degree and get the hell out of America. I've had enough of this Orwellian nonsense. Tell Phenomeal to get ready for a new neighbor.

 

[marx2k]

It's not hard to imagine a country where you can't buy ANYTHING without having your government issued ID (RealID) scanned. You can also imagine road checkpoints, random demands for identification, etc. The excuse will be either terrorism or immigration and given the country's attitude towards both, sheeple will gladly follow suit.

It's already begun by the mandated RealID. Scanning your information with the excuse of age verification is easily transferred to scanning and COLLECTING. All states will have to be using the new RealID and you will no longer be able to fly without it.

Right now you apparently can't buy papers without your drivers license being scanned. Would you be slightly more upset if you couldn't buy milk without your license being scanned? What about gasoline?

Here's some more criticism regarding RealID:

Federal ID card standards draw harsh criticism
By Bob Brewin [email protected] May 9, 2007

Standards proposed by the Homeland Security Department for secure drivers licenses and identification cards issued by all 50 states are drawing fire from state officials.

The regulations, mandated by the 2005 Real ID Act, could end up posing a threat to personal and national security, said the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators and the California Department of Motor Vehicles in comments on the proposed rules. They said that under the new system, counterfeiters would only need to concentrate on one license standard, rather than 50.

The Real ID Act also requires that states provide other states with access to their databases, which the California DMV said could result in an interconnected virtual database of the 242 million driver's licenses in the country that would be a prime target for hackers and criminals.

Congress approved the Real ID Act as a part of an emergency war supplemental and tsunami relief bill signed by President Bush two years ago this month.

It is focused on improving security by requiring an approved form of identification for travel on commercial airline flights and entrance to federal facilities and nuclear power plants. It is intended to prevent terrorists from fraudulently obtaining government-issued ID cards.

Since its passage, the Real ID Act has attracted a firestorm of criticism from privacy advocates, members of Congress and state and local officials. Several states have rejected the act's provisions, including Maine, Idaho, Montana and New Hampshire.

DHS released its Real ID proposed rules for public comment on March 9 and had received 3,255 comments when the comment period ended Tuesday. The bulk were from private individuals and, based on a random survey by Government Executive of 300 comments, they were overwhelmingly negative.

Only one of the responses in the random survey endorsed the development of a Real ID system, while the others castigated DHS, Congress and President Bush for pushing development of what the respondents viewed as development of a de facto national ID card.

The National Governors Association, the California DMV and the AAMVA used their comments to highlight the flaws in the proposed DHS rules and the financial burden they will impose on the states, which AAMVA called "at least a $23 billion unfunded federal mandate."

Security of the new ID cards -- which DHS says must include a digital photo and personal identification information both printed and stored in a magnetic, machine-readable strip on the card -- is a key concern of both the AAMVA and the California DMV. AAMVA said in its comments that DHS should not mandate a specific security configuration for the card but instead issue performance requirements which states can use to develop their own cards.

AAMVA said requiring that all state-issued driver's licenses and ID cards conform to a specific security configuration "could introduce new security vulnerabilities rather than protect the driver's license and identification card against fraud." The organization added, "If all drivers licenses and identification cards have the same basic configuration, counterfeiters will only need to overcome one configuration to counterfeit any jurisdiction's card."

Bruce Schneier, a security consultant, agreed with this analysis and told the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday that "the first problem is the card itself. No matter how unforgeable we make it, it will be forged. The new U.S. $20 bill was forged even before it was released to the public. We can raise the price of forgery, but we can't make it impossible."

The DHS Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee, an outside group whose members include Joseph Alhadeff, chief privacy officer at Oracle Corp., Joanne McNabb, head of the Office of Privacy Protection at the California Department of Consumer Affairs, and Kirk Herath, chief privacy officer at Nationwide Mutual Insurance, sharply criticized the lack of privacy protection in the proposed Real ID rules.

The committee said in its comments that the proposed regulation does not establish a uniform standard for protecting the storage of personally identifiable information and does not establish a security standard for the states to follow.

While AAMVA and the states contend that the data contained on a magnetic strip on a driver's license should be unencrypted so it can be scanned by a police officer engaged in a traffic stop, DHS said this data needs to be encrypted to prevent commercial entities from scanning the card and "exploiting" the information contained on the magnetic strip.

The NGA said in its comments that the proposed rule could have a harsh effect on any person who chooses not to drive or obtain a Real ID card. Such people could be prohibited from access to federal buildings and post offices, and be prevented from voting in federal elections, NGA said.

Here's the ACLU take on it..

ACLU's Criticism of Real ID Intensifies

Nov 4, 2007

It's no secret that a number of states are opposed to the Real ID Act, the plan that would require them to revamp state-issued driver's licenses to meet national standards for security. Seventeen states have already taken steps to ban Real ID, citing concerns over individual privacy and the costs of implementing the program.

And the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which has been one of the most vocal critics of the Real ID Act, turned up the heat last week in a news release that accused the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) of watering down the program "in a last-ditch effort to lure states in." In response, a DHS spokeswoman told News.com that the "ACLU is living in a fantasy world."

So what are all of the barbs about?

According to the ACLU, assistant secretary Richard Barth of DHS was asked by a state official during an October conference call what would happen to states that don't participate in the program. Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, who was on the call, said that the response was: "Nothing will happen. There will be no penalty. You can still get on a plane."

News.com pointed out that DHS "declined to comment directly on the conversations referenced by the ACLU and Dunlap," but the DHS spokeswoman said, "there will be a practical consequence for residents of states whose leadership chooses the status quo and accepts noncompliant licenses." Those consequences could include not being able to get on a plane or enter a federal building without a passport or other federally-accepted ID.

For more on this story, check out News.com. There are also a few Real ID videos in the Media Vault: part 1 and part 2 of a May 2007 roundtable hosted by ITAA features DHS' Richard Barth. And we just added a short clip produced by the ACLU that illustrates their opposition to Real ID.