Beware of Fingerprints in your Cannabis Pictures.

[Guest]

dont think an image of hand would hold up in court, after all u could make a pretty convincing fake hand id think. What it could do, is give an officer with some spare time, a lead to follow, if he could match a name to the fingerprint taken from the image, and then start investigating u to see what he could come up with.

 

[KABBAGE]

Ya, pretty sure any half decent defense lawyer would have fun tearing apart a digital picture showing fingerprints in court.

 

[Farmer John]

Warning!!!!!!!! Beware of werewolfs on every full moon and vampires after dark!

 

[bounty29]

I was skeptical of the fingerprint thing at first, but then I found camera serial numbers just by looking at pictures on these forums. That's not a little shady?

 

[HappyHemphog]

I was skeptical of the fingerprint thing at first, but then I found camera serial numbers just by looking at pictures on these forums. That's not a little shady?

Can you point me to a photo that contains a serial number in the EXIF data? I've yet to find one. I know my cam doesn't put any kind of serial number in the data.

Again, I will point out that I could edit any serial number to be anything I wanted. It's useless in court.

 

[J0sh1]

Ya, pretty sure any half decent defense lawyer would have fun tearing apart a digital picture showing fingerprints in court.

I agree but still why risk it? Its better to be safe than sorry I say. Perhaps it in court it would not be enough to admit as evidence but still a fingerprint can give LEO enough to snoop around and it can lead to a positive identification.

Im just saying we all need to be 4 steps ahead of the shitstem and this is a simple precaution that is more beneficial than detrimental.

 

[bounty29]

Yeah, I'll pm you where the pictures are. I know that you can edit it, but so can I. What about people that have no idea about this? Most people don't even know that all that data is stored in their pictures, they think it's a picture and just that. If you don't know your information is hidden in a picture you took, how can you alter it?

 

[HappyHemphog]

They don't really have to know, the fact that the data can be altered means it will need to pass a lot of hurdles to be used in court.

Besides, we all know that I lent the camera to a buddy on the date in question. Oh, he lives out in California. Not quite sure where exactly. His name? It was Jack Mehough.

 

[bounty29]

Ok, arguing about this is retarded. It's a fact that there is data stored in pictures. It is not stripped when pictures are uploaded here. Should it be? Yeah, there's no point to leaving it on the pictures, especially when most pictures are of something illegal in most areas. I've proven to you that serial numbers are in pictures here. I guarantee you if you PM the member I gave you a link to he'd verify that serial number.

You called me out on embedded serial numbers, and I proved to you that I was right. What do you have to say about that?

I don't think of myself as paranoid, but people that say pictures of their grow isn't something to be worried about... what? You might call me paranoid, but on the scale of people here, I'd say I fall nicely in the middle.

Hemphog - You're right and I'm wrong, I don't know what I was thinking when I came to this thread and posted, trying to let people know about the security of digital pictures.

I'll let you guys go on about this as long as you like, I'm done bickering.

J0sh1 - You got it. If they don't care and think they're safe from everything, let 'em be. People get busted when they get cocky and careless.

 

[xu2x]

Just picked up the June '07 issue of High Times. There's a close up pic of someone holding up a bud on the front cover and u can actually see his fingerprints! OMFG! He or She better go into hiding! OMG! **lots of sarcasm** I never saw so many "overly" paranoid people in my life.

 

[J0sh1]

Just picked up the June '07 issue of High Times. There's a close up pic of someone holding up a bud on the front cover and u can actually see his fingerprints! OMFG! He or She better go into hiding! OMG! **lots of sarcasm** I never saw so many "overly" paranoid people in my life.

Thanks for your enlightening contribution. Next time make an effort in actually writting something that makes some sense and contributes to the topic rather than some asanine pre-school chit chat.

 

[Guest]

half the people with cameras on here didnt buy them new...you can change information easily...the point with a digital image is it can be altered...lets say i know this guy and he is a dick i have him hold one of my prize tomatoes take a picture than insert the bud in the picture where the tomato is...digital photos are not worth shit

Yeah, I'll pm you where the pictures are. I know that you can edit it, but so can I. What about people that have no idea about this? Most people don't even know that all that data is stored in their pictures, they think it's a picture and just that. If you don't know your information is hidden in a picture you took, how can you alter it?

 

[BUDDY BOY]

I was just looking at a post and I can see his/her prints.

Gots to be more careful...

 

[Guest]

It all depends really. No one is coming after you and your 150 watt cab grow... from an internet picture of your finger. Having pics of a few pounds of dry bud is another story... have common sense people. Its the difference in stealing a piece of bubble gum, and hot wiring a corvette.

 

[HappyHemphog]

Your missing my point by miles. This issue has been hashed out on these forums many times before.

The court system will NOT allow evidence to be entered if it's authenticity can not be proved. Sure, a bit of lab work will obtain a fingerprint from a photo if it's clearly there. But I'll bet you a million dollars there are no LEO running thru the IC Mag gallery looking for fingerprints then trying to lift and match them.

Of course AFTER you've been busted for some other reason they may come looking for your photos, but again I will remind you, the photos must be authenticated by the person taking the photograph before they can bellowed into evidence.

If a digital photo was all that's required to get someone busted, the police would be chasing so many red herrings due to faked photos that our entire legal system would crumble.

Yes, putting a photo with your fingerprint and some illegal activity on an online forum is risky. But it's one of the least risky things we do in our hobby.

Oh, I'll leave you with one last thought. How do you know that photo was taken in a jurisdiction where it's illegal?

People really need to relax, hearsay evidence doesn't go far in a court of law.

Ok, arguing about this is retarded. It's a fact that there is data stored in pictures. It is not stripped when pictures are uploaded here. Should it be? Yeah, there's no point to leaving it on the pictures, especially when most pictures are of something illegal in most areas. I've proven to you that serial numbers are in pictures here. I guarantee you if you PM the member I gave you a link to he'd verify that serial number.

You called me out on embedded serial numbers, and I proved to you that I was right. What do you have to say about that?

I don't think of myself as paranoid, but people that say pictures of their grow isn't something to be worried about... what? You might call me paranoid, but on the scale of people here, I'd say I fall nicely in the middle.

Hemphog - You're right and I'm wrong, I don't know what I was thinking when I came to this thread and posted, trying to let people know about the security of digital pictures.

I'll let you guys go on about this as long as you like, I'm done bickering.

J0sh1 - You got it. If they don't care and think they're safe from everything, let 'em be. People get busted when they get cocky and careless.

 

[bounty29]

I never said you could be busted only by pictures you post online, I said they can help.

Of course AFTER you've been busted for some other reason they may come looking for your photos, but again I will remind you, the photos must be authenticated by the person taking the photograph before they can bellowed into evidence.

I have a hard time believing that, can you show me some proof?(I'm not giving you a hard time, I'm really interested in this.) Is this true for all crimes? I can take pictures of myself committing all kinds of crimes, but if nobody confesses to being behind the camera I'm safe? So all these recent arrests resulting from pictures police found on myspace, all the people had to do was say "I didn't take that picture." and nobody would've been arrested?

http://www.oregonnews.com/article/20070408/NEWS/104080092 (Myspace arrests)

How do you know that photo was taken in a jurisdiction where it's illegal?

If there is a picture of a cabinet with some plants growing in it, and that cabinet, wall behind it, and surroundings are identical to the one in your house... that's not enough?