Better mother?

[ezbake]

Hey guys, I have two Hashberrys(by Mandala Seeds) - Two different phenotypes, basically the same structure just different leaf patterns.

One however has some yellowing of the leaves, I am assuming is burn. The other is near perfect. Which would be better to keep as a mother?

 

[Dan42nepa]

i would take 3 cuttings of each... wait until they get roots and then flower both other plants and see which one you liked better. That way you have 3 new plants of each of the two you started with.

 

[jojajico]

yea ezbake you dont want to choose a mother b4 u smoke its bud. you may want to keep both. you could have a plant that looks like complete shit but smokes like heaven and one that looks great but smokes like shit.

 

[Guest]

Never choose a mom or plant for perpetual cloning from the vegging plant,or the flowered out seedplant for that matter,Flower out a clone from each female and make your decicision based on those flowered clones.Look for things like quality,yield,and finishing time.The flowered clone is the final product so that should be the only thing you base your decision on.

 

[Dan42nepa]

why is the veging seed plant no good? Its the original of the clones that you have and already probably been vegged for alot longer period. I took 3 clones each of each of my plants before flowering and flowered the originals. The plants that were male i discarded and while the originals are flowering my clones are all veging. some are over 24 inches now and ready for the closet once space frees up.

 

[jojajico]

no one said there is anything wrong with vegging from seed. you kinda have to do that...he saying that you keep the original seeded plant as a mother and then clone her and flower the clones. or you can take clones right b4 you put it into flower and make the clones the new mothers.

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure I'm understanding you question.For one thing though the flowered seedplant and the flowered clone can differ in finishing times by a week or more in some cases.Also,although yu hear a clone is the exacy copy of its mother the only thing "exact" about it is the erb itself if both seedplant and clone are grown correctly.Finishing time,plant structure and yield among other things cant be judged well by the mother plant,at lest not by me.Being that the flowered clone is the finished product,thats what you should be observing when trying to determine which pheno to choose.I doubt I answered you at all bro i really didnt quite understand what it was you were asking

 

[dubracer]

yea ezbake you dont want to choose a mother b4 u smoke its bud. you may want to keep both. you could have a plant that looks like complete shit but smokes like heaven and one that looks great but smokes like shit.

exactly. its happened to many of us. scraggly thin growth, not much mass...should throw it away...smoke it and its like nothing else you have experience. Cross that with something that puts on more mass and less stretching and boom...you could have a winner! Clone of a Clone is not a problem, there is no difference.

 

[Dan42nepa]

my point was i grew 5 northern lights from seed. 3 ended up females. I veged them for 2 months and they were huge so i took cuttings from each and flowered the mothers. Now i had 9 clones which i rotate into my closet every 2 weeks. Even though one is my favorite, I grow the others as well. I just didnt understand why you would keep the original mothers and flower the clones. In my case the mothers would be trees now.

 

[Guest]

lmao. i wonder if i could understand all this better if i wernt stoned? actually i do get it but it seems noone gets what the other guy is tryin to say cause he doesn't understand what the other guy was tryin to get and so on and so on and so on...perty funny i say.
i think we would all agree to have our mother plants be clones of finished flowered plants. i think? maybe? lol

 

[ezbake]

haha wow lots of replys

Well I can't really flower any of them before taking the clones, and I cant keep em all sooooo I have to choose only 1.
My hashberry looks a lot like others I have seen, and they have had good production, so I think it'll be okay. They're good genetics, I don't think I will have a pheno/plant that'll be "crap" smoke

 

[Dan42nepa]

I am very interested in your HB grow.. I am sprouting some seeds now.. Did you use the mandala method of germination? (directly in soil). I did unfortunately and had zero germination. I am doing the other 5 under paper towels now.

 

[ezbake]

Yes I did the mandala suggested method of germ and I got 11 out of 11 germ'd.

I use Fox Farm ocean forest soil, and RO or Distilled water. I made sure the soil was moist, not wet, and then planted them 1 inch deep using my finger. I kept the temps at 80 degrees with a small heater and they all sprouted within 3 days.

HB is a great plant. I also have 1 Sadhu. I had another Sadhu and a Satori but they were male. I am not sure on my HB or Sadhu if they're male or female yet.

I am not sure why you didnt have any germ, what were your temps and how moist was your soil? Did you keep the soil moist?

I would spoon feed 1 or 2 spoon fuls a day of water to each cup. To keep it moist.

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I tried cloning for my first time yesterday.
Got some schultz take root and cloned my hashberry.
I took 2 cuttings, about 5" long. Put them under water and then made a new cut (I was told to do this for the air bubbles getting in the stem, under water no air can enter). Once they were cut down they are 3" to 4", I stripped all leaves except for the very top ones and put the rooting powder on and put them in some cups of water.
Hopefully it works!

 

[Dan42nepa]

i have no idea but I did sow them the day i received them. Mandala thinks maybe the seeds were frozen because of the low temperatures lately here.
and maybe they were frozen in the delivery truck. The soil i used i had sprouted other seeds with no problem. The killer for me was the 5 blockhead freebies which didnt sprout either. I am starting the other 5 but did the paper towel method this time and have 3 tap roots already. I put them in soil today so we will see.

 

[ezbake]

They may have been frozen from the truck and needed time to "thaw"
Because mine were delivered in the winter as well, and I waited 1 or 2 weeks before planting them (just by chance) and had no problems

 

[Dan42nepa]

Good thing i am not expecting seeds this week.. Its 5 degrees here -20 with wind chill.

 

[Guest]

Dan this may clear it up for you, about 6 years ago there were these two guys called the brothers grimm,sly and mr. soul were their handles.They came out with the real cindy 99,man what a strain.Anyhow,they strongly suggested not even trying to grow out the seedplants,just take cuttings and flower them out trashing the large,unwieldy seedplants.Being pretty new I didnt understand this and thought of it as quite a waste actually,all those seedplants thrown away?Well after some experience now I can definately sat they were correct,seedplants take up a lot of vertical and horizontal space,many clones could be put in place of one seedplant multipying your yield for that given space.Seedplants should only be used for aquiring clones and nothing else,get rid of the big bastards.As for choosing the best pheno out of say 5 female plants,you want to flower them out over a few "generations" dropping the inferior pheno's along the way until your lefr with the most desirable pheno.Forget about the seedplants bro,they mean nothing in the longrun

 

[jojajico]

seeds especially F1 seeds will show more vigor than even their own clones. they will grow more rapidly be bigger and yeild more but they will grow however the fuck they want lol. the good thing about clones as you can really control the size of the plant and produce a uniform crop. i know some peolpe that enjoy growing out seeds and thats fine but if you are straped for space its alot easier to work with a uniform crop which you can fit into place like they were legos lol.

 

[Dan42nepa]

Hey trust me.. LOL i hate growing from seed. I have at least 4-5 clones of each of my 5 plants. I have to do the seed thing again with some hashberrys I just got. The NL seeds were easy, the hashberrys have been more of a challenge for whatever reason. I wish i just had clones. Its a PIA growing 5 plants, sexing them and then growing out the females. its fun because they are a new kind but my closet is only so big..