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Best strain for commerce outdoor production?
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Just want to point out something that's often overlooked in the discussions about mersh that I've read. Local market is a very important factor, if not the important factor. Specifically, I'm talking about potency. Market demands for potency will vary wildly from one place to the next. If you're in Humboldt County CA, or some European Mecca for growers (lax laws, etc.), then you're going to face much more competition than you will in a grower's market, like east coast USA. In a grower's market, you don't have to worry so much about potency, and on the other hand, you won't get as much of a reward for top potency. In a buyer's market, you will have to worry more about potency, but you're more likely to be rewarded for your efforts.
In a nutshell, I'm in a grower's market and don't need to worry so much about potency, partly because it doesn't fetch a higher price after a certain point. People pay 100 a quarter for what I consider standard grade, maybe 120 for killer stuff if they're discriminating customers, and that's it. They aren't going to pay you more than 120 a quarter, no matter how dank it is. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I don't see the point in basing big decisions on small exceptions.
In a small nutshell, if I were the original poster I'd worry more about pest & disease resistance, flowering time, yield, etc., before I worried about potency.
In a nutshell, I'm in a grower's market and don't need to worry so much about potency, partly because it doesn't fetch a higher price after a certain point. People pay 100 a quarter for what I consider standard grade, maybe 120 for killer stuff if they're discriminating customers, and that's it. They aren't going to pay you more than 120 a quarter, no matter how dank it is. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I don't see the point in basing big decisions on small exceptions.
In a small nutshell, if I were the original poster I'd worry more about pest & disease resistance, flowering time, yield, etc., before I worried about potency.
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Jydsk
Nice 1 Dude, that just about sums it up
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Duder
Nice point, potency doesn’t mean anything if its covered in mold or yields 2 ozs on Oct 15th (as far as commercial goes).
But I got to tell you in the Midwest 42 deg north potency is everything. Bag appeal or taste is definitely second fiddle to people I know. The reason is you can buy Mexi brick for 80/oz and it will get you high and even stoned if you get lucky enough to not get a bag of sticks and stones (stems and seeds).
So you better be able to tell a guy who makes $10/hr he’s getting something potent for $60 per 1/4oz.
I think that still falls into what you said though supply and demand. We don’t have a huge supply of Homegrown but Mexi brick hell yes.
I would love to hear what others thought on this topic its a good one nice post Dude.
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I don't get seed breeders sometimes , ok it is all bout the money , but goddamnit releasing an autoflowering strain in a femenised edition is bullcrap(talking bout tundra)
@gunnarguchi
It would be e vary good idea to use the FD in a crossing with a danish strain.
Better would be to just reproduce the FD but it is femenised , too bad cuz it got so many phenos
, it would be nice to stabilize a few types of FD
I don't think it is wise to breed/cross with femenised seed , what do u guys think
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anywho keep me updated if u plan to use the FD in crossings as it has sparked my interest
Here some dried , and cured FD buds, they are now in the freezer.
@gunnarguchi
It would be e vary good idea to use the FD in a crossing with a danish strain.
Better would be to just reproduce the FD but it is femenised , too bad cuz it got so many phenos
, it would be nice to stabilize a few types of FDI don't think it is wise to breed/cross with femenised seed , what do u guys think
??anywho keep me updated if u plan to use the FD in crossings as it has sparked my interest
Here some dried , and cured FD buds, they are now in the freezer.
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supersonic
Member
hi
yes, nice fd buds..
I don't grow for commerce reasons but i'll try to help a bit.
Those outdoor dutch passion starins are late september finishers and i don't like them.
not enough potency and all seems to smell simillar. however DP Trance is grown here in my area for commercial reasons every year by some. I don't get it why. It's leafy, not enough crystals, and boring stone but it's probabaly good yielder otherwise it would not be grown. It's consistent as it's every year the same. I've tried Holland hope, Shaman, Passion #1 and their purple and durban* and they are not potent enough + they have bad bag appeal and weight becouse they're leafy, so speaking in terms of commercial production they are not the right strains. You can sell some of them for color but not for potency *(except durban but that would be more headstash daybrightener not commerce stuff)
Aurora indica will yield plenty g's of indoor quality bud outdoors around mid oct at my high 46n latitude . So will white widow. Buds of same consistency as indoor buds and very strong + perfect bag appeal. That sells for big €€.
Double Fun . Indoor/outdoor strain with expected heavy yields of fat buds. Some Chitral cross. there are some reports and pics over internet. I'll try it sometime.
and there are some others.
for commerce production i would grow multi branch pheno of aurora i. it's effective in every way (cheap, easy, big, heavy, strong)... and here around the price for g would be 10€...
all the best...
ww bud
yes, nice fd buds..
I don't grow for commerce reasons but i'll try to help a bit.
Those outdoor dutch passion starins are late september finishers and i don't like them.
not enough potency and all seems to smell simillar. however DP Trance is grown here in my area for commercial reasons every year by some. I don't get it why. It's leafy, not enough crystals, and boring stone but it's probabaly good yielder otherwise it would not be grown. It's consistent as it's every year the same. I've tried Holland hope, Shaman, Passion #1 and their purple and durban* and they are not potent enough + they have bad bag appeal and weight becouse they're leafy, so speaking in terms of commercial production they are not the right strains. You can sell some of them for color but not for potency
*(except durban but that would be more headstash daybrightener not commerce stuff)Aurora indica will yield plenty g's of indoor quality bud outdoors around mid oct at my high 46n latitude . So will white widow. Buds of same consistency as indoor buds and very strong + perfect bag appeal. That sells for big €€.
Double Fun . Indoor/outdoor strain with expected heavy yields of fat buds. Some Chitral cross. there are some reports and pics over internet. I'll try it sometime.
and there are some others.
for commerce production i would grow multi branch pheno of aurora i. it's effective in every way (cheap, easy, big, heavy, strong)... and here around the price for g would be 10€...
all the best...
ww bud
Hey Hamstring:
I grew Early Durban x Skunk#1 freebies from Sam the Skunkman.............the taste is unique and ist also potent for an outdoor very potent....nice Sativa high with a skunky turn.........but i have to say it wasn't leafy at all!! I got huge sativa buds with a few leafs and sorriely i was moldy(strange i find)....damm i lost a lot of good smoke or had to harvest eralier.....
In the End a good strain....for free.....high quality smoke for outdoor
I grew Early Durban x Skunk#1 freebies from Sam the Skunkman.............the taste is unique and ist also potent for an outdoor very potent....nice Sativa high with a skunky turn.........but i have to say it wasn't leafy at all!! I got huge sativa buds with a few leafs and sorriely i was moldy(strange i find)....damm i lost a lot of good smoke or had to harvest eralier.....
In the End a good strain....for free.....high quality smoke for outdoor
Yes u are totally right bout this. Except frisian dew is the first Dp early outdoor variety that i could smoke every day. Few leaves and normal buds instead of that fluffy shit. It also has enough potency
The passion nr 1 for me is a weed for women , is has too many leaves and small buds , a citrus like boring aroma.
Aurora indica and WW are fantastic but impossible here outdoors as they would have to be harvested early due to mold. Stupid humid weather here
supersonic
Member
Hamstring,
first, that other strain that i mentioned, Double Fun by No Mercy Supply is advertised as frost and funghi resistant...
I grew Dutch passions Durban P.. I think there 2 early durbans, danish - early girl * Durban Poison and TFD and seedsman's skunk * Durban P.. I don't know if last two are same as Skunkman's as buddah said..
Ive researched early durban many times in past and i think i found some very good reports and some bad germination and hermies reports...
Dp's Durban which i grew was grown from regular seed in a bad place, 6h sun only, but when smelling ripe bud i decided that i will grow it again under full sun and organicaly.. yes that is for smell which is unique... it is very vigourous strain with thick stem and strong branches and big fat leaves. Buds were not fat on my durbans because of lack of sun but crystalization was very good. buds were light in weight.
when i'll grow it at my sunny places where indicas get bigger than 2m, I expect durban somewhere up to 3m in height and some yield...
Potency: for me it was very pleasant up high for anytime, very good social weed, always good to have such stuff in a pocket... some reports speak for tripyness ....
6-7/10 at best for DP from my view as i like strong indica heavy buzz most...
but smell, easyness, social buzz and finish date will lead me to grow more of DP.
greeting
first, that other strain that i mentioned, Double Fun by No Mercy Supply is advertised as frost and funghi resistant...
I grew Dutch passions Durban P.. I think there 2 early durbans, danish - early girl * Durban Poison and TFD and seedsman's skunk * Durban P.. I don't know if last two are same as Skunkman's as buddah said..
Ive researched early durban many times in past and i think i found some very good reports and some bad germination and hermies reports...
Dp's Durban which i grew was grown from regular seed in a bad place, 6h sun only, but when smelling ripe bud i decided that i will grow it again under full sun and organicaly.. yes that is for smell which is unique... it is very vigourous strain with thick stem and strong branches and big fat leaves. Buds were not fat on my durbans because of lack of sun but crystalization was very good. buds were light in weight.
when i'll grow it at my sunny places where indicas get bigger than 2m, I expect durban somewhere up to 3m in height and some yield...
Potency: for me it was very pleasant up high for anytime, very good social weed, always good to have such stuff in a pocket... some reports speak for tripyness ....
6-7/10 at best for DP from my view as i like strong indica heavy buzz most...
but smell, easyness, social buzz and finish date will lead me to grow more of DP.
greeting
Well i tried double fun and strangely it was the first plant in the greenhouse to get mold. I heard it went well with other growers but not here
I also ordered a pack of santa maria's from no mercy and got mutants that just went yellow and died after 4 weeks while all the other plants went well.
No mercy is on my blacklist now
I also ordered a pack of santa maria's from no mercy and got mutants that just went yellow and died after 4 weeks while all the other plants went well.
No mercy is on my blacklist now
supersonic
Member
THC
maybe i try the FD. what's the high like?
Passion 1
their new tundra is ruderalis indica * passion #1 cross.. very sad cross... whoever wants to grow that mild up high shit, idk....
jah bless
edit: thanks for info about d fun and m supply, i've seen some good reports of their strains and d fun..
maybe i try the FD. what's the high like?
Passion 1
their new tundra is ruderalis indica * passion #1 cross.. very sad cross... whoever wants to grow that mild up high shit, idk....
jah bless
edit: thanks for info about d fun and m supply, i've seen some good reports of their strains and d fun..
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It makes you stoned and dreamy but doesn't knock you down. Still it's good before going to sleep. My pheno had a real nice balance between indica and sativa efffect. Most DP outdoor strain i tried all have a sativa like effect .
It doesn't have such a weak effect as the passion nr 1
It relaxes me. The other dp outdoor strains i tried had a very superficial effect.
I harvested mine at 8 weeks.
After nlx this is the best weed i have had outdoors and only lost a few buds on mold.
So i would say , if u live in a dry warm climate , then go for indoor strains , .
People that live in humid areas(N europe) now have a strain that gives nice buds , a nice aroma and a good effect.
I am certainly not saying that it is the best weed ever but i smoke a lot and it satisfies me.(i didn't even finish the pasion nr 1 just gave it away) Very good yield and easy strain.
Downside again : lots of phenos
I have seen a green one a red one a purple one and the one in the pics above is the mutli coloured mix. Seems to be the perfect balance bewteen both parens.
Lot's of pheno's means lots of different aroma's. Mine had a candy sweet aroma , the green and red one had a fresh spicy smell with sweet undertones , the dark purple one had a real purple taste.
But now u know which pheno to look out for.
I have smoke the multi colored mix and the green one and both of them get me stoned. Not narcotic but nice stoned and a bit sleepy.
I don't know how to explain it further
It doesn't have such a weak effect as the passion nr 1
It relaxes me. The other dp outdoor strains i tried had a very superficial effect.
I harvested mine at 8 weeks.
After nlx this is the best weed i have had outdoors and only lost a few buds on mold.
So i would say , if u live in a dry warm climate , then go for indoor strains , .
People that live in humid areas(N europe) now have a strain that gives nice buds , a nice aroma and a good effect.
I am certainly not saying that it is the best weed ever but i smoke a lot and it satisfies me.(i didn't even finish the pasion nr 1 just gave it away) Very good yield and easy strain.
Downside again : lots of phenos
I have seen a green one a red one a purple one and the one in the pics above is the mutli coloured mix. Seems to be the perfect balance bewteen both parens.
Lot's of pheno's means lots of different aroma's. Mine had a candy sweet aroma , the green and red one had a fresh spicy smell with sweet undertones , the dark purple one had a real purple taste.
But now u know which pheno to look out for.
I have smoke the multi colored mix and the green one and both of them get me stoned. Not narcotic but nice stoned and a bit sleepy.
I don't know how to explain it further
supersonic
Member
thanks a lot THC123
no need for further explanation...
my climate is changeable. sometimes wet after 1st oct, sometimes dry and without frost to early november. so i need both in- and outdoor strains.
no need for further explanation...
my climate is changeable. sometimes wet after 1st oct, sometimes dry and without frost to early november. so i need both in- and outdoor strains.
buddah
Hey bro thanks alot for the feedback on Early Durban X Skunk#1 what was your finish date?
Supersonic
Thanks for all the good honest input I will have to look at the Durban offerings out there. One thing for sure I need to one of them in the ground to test it out.
PEACE
Hey bro thanks alot for the feedback on Early Durban X Skunk#1 what was your finish date?
Supersonic
Thanks for all the good honest input I will have to look at the Durban offerings out there. One thing for sure I need to one of them in the ground to test it out.
PEACE
Durban has a wonderful smell and aroma.
There was a strain called durban here 8 years ago which was sold for 12 euros per gram in the coffeeshops.(it was called south african durban poison)
I am also eager to try and grow the durban myself. Heard from friends that it is also easyily harvestable northern european condtiions. It also is ready early and has a pretty good resistance to mold.
It's always difficult to choose with alll these strains(drooolllllll)
There was a strain called durban here 8 years ago which was sold for 12 euros per gram in the coffeeshops.(it was called south african durban poison)
I am also eager to try and grow the durban myself. Heard from friends that it is also easyily harvestable northern european condtiions. It also is ready early and has a pretty good resistance to mold.
It's always difficult to choose with alll these strains(drooolllllll)
Asterix
Active member
I dont wonna worry you, but i had few durbans in last season and like for me isnt good resistance to mold strain. Many strains gotta much better resistance. I live in N-E Slovakia and weather was terrible last season- speccialy september, full of rain and low temperatures.
Btw. Durban poison is realy good strain like for me - isnt to strong, but high is just wonderfull- i can smoke it all day long and im not bored.
Greetings
THC123
Yes it is south african durban poison x Skunk#1 sold by some shops...
there was a lot of....may massive stock of freebis around europ i think....i got a pack from internet(bonus) and a pack from A-Dam(bonus)...
and yes they got a bad germination but the stock is about 10years old(there are some threads about this freePacks) and they also got a lot of trippelPhenos i would love to grow it agin....a friend of me growed it indoor with damm good result.....but i have to agree to Asterix it isnt good resistance to mold......
Yes it is south african durban poison x Skunk#1 sold by some shops...
there was a lot of....may massive stock of freebis around europ i think....i got a pack from internet(bonus) and a pack from A-Dam(bonus)...
and yes they got a bad germination but the stock is about 10years old(there are some threads about this freePacks) and they also got a lot of trippelPhenos i would love to grow it agin....a friend of me growed it indoor with damm good result.....but i have to agree to Asterix it isnt good resistance to mold......
my SADP x Skunk1 freebies did not germ at all.
if we talk about Durban X Skunk.... than TFD's Early Durban!
that should be the best of this cross.
TFD has an excellent Skunk1 strain "labelled" as The Pure what yields really high.
but not enough early I think.. maybe the Durban gives some earliness to the cross in the Durban/Skunk
peace, GS
if we talk about Durban X Skunk.... than TFD's Early Durban!
that should be the best of this cross.
TFD has an excellent Skunk1 strain "labelled" as The Pure what yields really high.
but not enough early I think.. maybe the Durban gives some earliness to the cross in the Durban/Skunk
peace, GS
