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[Chamba]

Can you say shitty glue job???? Do you really think its worth shelling out the money for a product like that???

I've got a set of those Bubbleman dry sifting frames and there's no complaints here, these have been working great for ages....you are the first poster here i've heard of that's had a problem. they were probably crushed by the courior, i would of returned them. Are your frames the 9 x 12 or the 12 x 15 inch?

 

[Gray Wolf]

More often than not I try to dry sift a vast majority of the trichomes on the starting material ...it's fast, easy and I like the end result.

If I had an unlimited, low cost supply of bud, then I'd aim for blond putty every time and gently dry sift the material a few handfuls of material at a time for a short duration, then re-sift the resin over finer meshes to further purify it.

Happy Hashing!

Good points bro!

May the Great Spirit strike me down for blasphemy if this comes off as my not liking or appreciating good bubble, but dry sieve assaults my boetian sense of taste more. It retains more of the turpenoid and flavenoids, so as to explode into a myriad of flavors, vis a vis the less complex more simply hashy flavor of good bubble.

Not an either or, but a matter of degree and individual taste. I adore both apple and cherry pie, just the flavor of cherry pie more!

To put things in better perspective, I dry sieve for a couple of reasons. One is of course to obtain kief, for any number of other worthwhile reasons that you can imagine, so I won't bore ya'll with them.

Another is to attenuate oil based oral medications, by removing some of the high end speediness, so that the meds are more suitable for night time application.

The kief is just a really handy side benefit, that never fails to find an appreciative suitable use or hang around long.

More to the specific point of pollen extraction, I agree with you Chamba on a more full extraction and subsequent sieving for grades, when prime kief is the goal.

It is certainly a worthwhile goal, and frames are easy to make, so I have just made my own, using stainless mesh, or silk screen, depending on the purpose.

I use stainless in my passive harvest box and vibratory resin harvester, but prefer silkscreen for carding to refine it further.

I have no personal insight into the quality of currently available commercial screens, so I withhold my unqualified comments, but if any of ya'll do decide to make your own sieving frames, gluing in a diagonal spline at each glued corner, has never failed to keep them solidly glued together for me. See attached:

I also make them with nesting bottoms and tops, which makes it easy to keep several different meshes handy, for fine tuning different trichome head sizes, such as between Sativa dominant and Indica dominant strains.

Sadly, I am not blessed with large amounts of bud either and the bulk of what I kief belongs to a patient, or is donated material ranging from sweet trim to prime bud.

That makes it more difficult to zero in on the nuiances of a specific strain and another reason to have alternate meshes already framed and handily standing by.

Chamba, you are the acknoledged resident expert on the subject and you touched on working your material until it was expended.

Would you reference one of your post links, or share the nuiances of your technique for working it that fully, while still minimizing undesirables?

 

[Chamba]

Chamba, you are the acknoledged resident expert on the subject

far from it, i'm just another enthusiast, one of the many.

I think that any new advances or leaps in dry sifting techniques or equipment will most likely come from California or one of the other Med-Canna states.

and you touched on working your material until it was expended.

Would you reference one of your post links, or share the nuiances of your technique for working it that fully, while still minimizing undesirables?

There's lots of different techniques used dry sifting with purity in mind...most of the posters here focus on absolute purity and that great cos there's nothing that hits harder than very pure dry sift....but unless you have loads of starting material, it's easy to burn through your stash extremely fast if it's all converted into pure resin, so most people make several grades of hash from their starting material (which is more often than not, made from trimmings). I now do things a little differently, I dry sift bud that hasn't been fine trimmed and usually dry sift it all into one grade.

this rough kif can be carded and or vibrated over finer meshes to further purify it.

If you do a very short duration sift for quality that is kept separated, then try a second run to remove a vast majority of the resin then the resulting resin will probably not press together easily...also if you do several runs, then it's not easy to get high from the second grade after smoking the pure 1st run.

I don't have any "magic" or secret techniques when sifting for maximum yield, I basically do what commercial hash makers do, but do not add binders like mutton fat or kerosene, fillers like henna or milk powders, ground up stalks, leaf, dried fruit, camel crap etc or use heat and tonnes of pressure to form into a solid....

There's not a thing I could teach you about this Grey Wolf, but here's a quick run down for those that are new to dry sifting. I work the material hard enough and long enough so a vast majority of the trichomes have been separated from the plant matter and the dry sifted resin still is able to be pressed into a hash using your thumb and palm (and lots of elbow grease).

There's a fine line between leaving too many resin heads behind on the plant material and over-working the material allowing in way too much plant matter...the "secret" is to monitor your progress with magnification.

Use a screen with openings that are at least 20 micron larger than the majority of the resin heads on the material, so 120 ~ 145 micron (110 ~ 125 lines per inch Mesh) will work with many/most strains....160 micron/ 100 Mesh is probably too open for most strains, but if that's all you have then be a little more gentle or too much rubbish will also pass through the mesh.

Grind up the frozen material and work it quickly and aggressively until a vast majority of the resin heads have snapped off the material and passed through the mesh. "Working" it might be as simple as filling and switching on a tumbler, picking up and shaking a screen box (with a lid), by using vibration or moving the material over a flat screen with your open hands and fingers etc

Use a magnifying glass before, during and after to check out the trichomes or resin heads on the plant material, stop sifting when there's less than 5% of the resin remaining on the material..then resift this rough resin through the same screen or one slightly finer, stopping each time when most of the resin has passed through the mesh (resin heads being heavier and rounder than the broken up leaf matter, will initially pass through the mesh at a higher percentage than the non-active debris, the last 10% remaining above the screen will be mostly non-active plant matter, set that aside then re-sift the resin again if you like)

This dry sifted resin will contain lots of broken up plant matter but it still will have a more intense high than the bud it came from and you are inhaling about a tiny amount of the plant material with a high percentage of resin...lots of flavor, much less tar and a better more intense high.

Check out my previous posts, as I often post on threads related to dry sifting, to read about lots of different information about hashing from lots of experienced posters.

Happy Hashing

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thanks bro!

"You must spread some reputation around before giving more to Chamba."

 

[Gray Wolf]

Bump

 

[GET MO]

bump bump, tumble now still the one to beat?

 

[hobojoe00]

Bump to the future

 

[GET MO]

I ended up getting a tumble now for my folks and it works great. Heres some gg4 keef made with it:

 

[Ringodoggie]

I made my own little shaker a while back. Don't use it much any more but it worked great when I did. Worked great for small amounts or up to about 4 ounces at a time.

Standard Sterlite plastic ware with a 133u screen. I started with poly but changed it to 100u stainless later. The 100u and 133u screens took a lot of plant matter but I hand screened it down 3 times after this with standard 20"x24" silkscreens. Although, these units are stackable so I could have a stack 4 high with different size screens.

Hand shaking was out of the question so I bought a $49 paint shaker from Harbor Freight. Worked like a charm. The video link is the shaker in action.

https://vid.me/SVWY

http://somevid.com/VyaJc6iX

http://sendvid.com/ipwsodbq

Vidme doesn't always work for everyone so I posted a couple links in case one didn't work for you.

 

[99%]

I ended up getting a tumble now for my folks and it works great. Heres some gg4 keef made with it:
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I've got a Tumble Now too, an excellent tumbler, every hashman should have one or one like it...the best part about the Tumble Now is the sift drops down onto a 200 lpi Mesh screen so you can do the parchment paper static tech on it to attain 90~99% pure resin heads, I like to re-sift the dry sifted resin that falls through the tumbler stainless steel mesh by running it through the tumbler again...to do this I remove the 200 mesh flat screen, tumble the plant material, gather the sift that falls on the drawer then re-sift it through the tumbler with the 200 Mesh placed back in the pull out drawer. Then use the static tech over the 200 Mesh.

 

[99%]

Standard Sterlite plastic ware with a 133u screen. I started with poly but changed it to 100u stainless later.

I don't know if I read your post correctly, but it seems you are sifting with a 133 micron mesh and then changed to using a 100 micron mesh? A 150 ~ 160 micron mesh (which is roughly equivelant to 100 ~ 120 lines per inch Mesh) is the ideal screen mesh size to use as some strains have mature trichomes that are larger than the openings on the meshes you are using and so you are missing out on some of the resin yield...use magnification to check out your starting plant material, what passed through the meshes and how much resin is still on the plant material as your work it.

 

[99%]

I think that any new advances or leaps in dry sifting techniques or equipment will most likely come from California or one of the other Med-Canna states.

So true, just think of the advances in butane extraction, the static dry sift tech, DSW's two screen tech (both of which will produce very pure dry sifted resin) that have happened in the past four and half years...I bet we will see even more advances in the next 4 or 5 years. Keep sharing the knowledge!

 

[Ringodoggie]

Standard Sterlite plastic ware with a 133u screen. I started with poly but changed it to 100u stainless later.

I don't know if I read your post correctly, but it seems you are sifting with a 133 micron mesh and then changed to using a 100 micron mesh? A 150 ~ 160 micron mesh (which is roughly equivelant to 100 ~ 120 lines per inch Mesh) is the ideal screen mesh size to use as some strains have mature trichomes that are larger than the openings on the meshes you are using and so you are missing out on some of the resin yield...use magnification to check out your starting plant material, what passed through the meshes and how much resin is still on the plant material as your work it.

Oops, yep, that was a typo. I started with a 133u and went to a 150u stainless.

After I have sifted off the good shit, I put it on high and let it run for an hour. By then, there is NOTHING left on the plant matter. I can't even find stalks. LOL I gave some to a buddy and he was laughing his ass off. He said, "It looks like pot. It smells like pot. It tastes like pot..... but it doesn't get you high". LMAO

If it smells and tastes like pot, there must be a few terpenes left on it but I sure don't see anything with a 60x magnifier.

I don't do much dry sift any more. Just couldn't get the full melt bubble that I get from ice water extraction. And, now, this rosin extraction thing. I have a giant jar of dry sift that I am going to press into pucks and press in my buddies vulcanizer.