Best Nurseries in the US to Buy Real Deal Cuts but Don't Need a License to Purchase?

[CaptainDankness]

DHN grows mostly Humboldt seed company seeds I believe

​​​​​​They definitely have other cuts available, but they go in with HSC for the pheno mega hunts and I imagine they carry the mother plants that HSC is working with. Definitely a lot of selection on them, but you can get pretty close to there best with 50 good seeds.

 

[Rabbi]

​​​​​​They definitely have other cuts available, but they go in with HSC for the pheno mega hunts and I imagine they carry the mother plants that HSC is working with. Definitely a lot of selection on them, but you can get pretty close to there best with 50 good seeds.

Great video, thx for that. Making me want to place some orders with HSC now lol. That Blueberry Muffin sounds delicious.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Great video, thx for that. Making me want to place some orders with HSC now lol. That Blueberry Muffin sounds delicious.

For real, I just ordered Blueberry Muffin, Vanilla Cream Pie and Jelly Rancher and supposed to get 3 seeds of Raspberry Parfait and Garlic Butter hopefully find something special. Got ahold of Venom OG cut Dark Heart has and I like it better than GG#4 so I had to buy some seeds.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

go to weedmaps dot com and you can see the clone menu at every dispensary in cali

i wonder how many of those dispensaries actually have the legit cuts of what they are advertising ? im betting almost zero

 

[Rabbi]

For real, I just ordered Blueberry Muffin, Vanilla Cream Pie and Jelly Rancher and supposed to get 3 seeds of Raspberry Parfait and Garlic Butter hopefully find something special. Got ahold of Venom OG cut Dark Heart has and I like it better than GG#4 so I had to buy some seeds.

Damn those sound bomb, nice work.

You like the Venom OG over the GG4? Been wanting to try GG4 for several years now but another clone only type deal. I've come across some copy cat seeds online but the reviews were always less then stellar. Which is almost always the case in these type of situations.

 

[planttechniques]

i wonder how many of those dispensaries actually have the legit cuts of what they are advertising ? im betting almost zero

I can't speak for the east coast or any other state other than cali but the case brought against weedmaps was a federal case I believe but the emphasis was on cali. In order for weedmaps not to be charged they agreed to stop listing any unlicensed dispensaries.

here's what I wrote about that

very recently weedmaps was forced by the government to only list dispensaries that are legal and licensed

the licensing here in cali is VERY strict so if a dispensary is listed on weedmaps than you know they are legit and hence know that any brand of clones they carry are legit

a licensed cali dispensary would never risk having their licensed revoked by selling fake clones because many of these licenses can cost up to 1 million USD to get approved

also, there is something called METRC in cali that literally tracks every seed, clone and flower from nursery to dispensary so if you go to any dispensary on weedmaps you will be getting the real deal

 

[clearheaded]

or they popped a seed and called it gg4... hense clone clusters for blue dream several "real" cuts... 100% on trust but if growers they use thesame clone house at least its likely be the same as bud u got from them..

 

[grayeyes]

Clones are only for really exotic strains like Oreo that you are never going to have access to anyway. Mr. GG personally handed me mine which was fabulous. Buy seeds. There are good seed banks out there like Holy Moly. Don't go looking for bogus clones.

 

[xerb]

Hello Rabbi,

I have some bad news for you. Most clubs here in Northern California, do not have the real deal cut.
Just because they call it Chem Dawg - you think you're going to get a cut of the original ? NO WAY !

I love Diesel. What they pass off as Diesel will make you cry when you grow out 400 dollars worth of
clones and find it is so bad you can't smoke it. I was so excited to get a cut of Trinity - but it was male!

Businesses are built on having just 1 killer clone.

That is not what the dispensaries are selling.
Most of their clones are given to them.
Some cuts are good, some are very good, some might even be great.
Most these cuttings are probably best of 10 - 50 females from seed.
The clones we know by name are 1 in 10,000 or 100,000 or even 1,000,000

I can pick up Dark Heart Clones at a local dispensary.
I have grown out dozens of their famous name strains, but so far, none have been up to my standards
for a keeper.

Clones purchased at dispensaries can bring problems home to your garden, bugs, mildew, etc.
Sometimes weak individuals are selected and they are far more prone to these issues.

I have MUCH better luck with seeds. And for a far better price I can have the best seeds in the world
delivered directly to my door.

Recently I got a top notch Chem Dawg out of a packet of 10 female seeds from Canada !
It had better flavor and was much stronger than the Dark Heart version.

My all time favorite strain came from Vancouver Island Seed Company, Another from Federation Seeds,
I've gotten some great genetics from HGS, all of these seeds came from Canadian companies.
Figure out what you want, call them up and ask a few questions then order them up!

The real problem, as I see it, is that most people have never smoked really great weed, and therefore have
nothing to compare to !

Now if they have to be kosher seeds, I'm outta here!

Happy Hunting. XERB

 

[planttechniques]

Hello Rabbi,
Many are also infected systemically with mildew, or perhaps a weak individual was selected.

PM is not systemic. It just incubates on the surface for weeks (months) all the while being invisible so people think that's it's actually inside the plant, because they can't see it, but it's really just there on the surface.

Also, DHN grows out their mothers and does most of their selection outside, just look at their website, all their photos are outside plants. All the killer clones of all the likker strains from all over the US are only going to come from inside grows.

Take Gelato for instance, it originated in a garage, not a nursery, so you just need to find the specific company that has a specific cut.

It's purposely confusing but that doesn't the mean the real cuts don't exist, it's just they are very hard to find, but not impossible.

Take for instance Gelato again, a Company called Clone Guys out of Long Beach sells clones and also flower of their own clones. They have a flower called Donuts which is awesome and it's actually their Gelato clone they also sell. They have other clones but they are not great but their one particular Gelato is, as is their LA Kush Cake.

Purple City Genetics has some very nice clones also and they even sell seeds and will even tell you their seeds have more vigor but that's just because a lot of clones being sold in Cali haven't been tissue cultured to "reset" them and reintroduce the vigor back into them.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I can't speak for the east coast or any other state other than cali but the case brought against weedmaps was a federal case I believe but the emphasis was on cali. In order for weedmaps not to be charged they agreed to stop listing any unlicensed dispensaries.

here's what I wrote about that

Dude , I challenge you to go find the actual Triangle Kush or Chemdog clone in a dispensary you find on weed maps. I’ll be here waiting when you get back to say i told you so LOL

 

[Rabbi]

Hello Rabbi,

I have some bad news for you. Most clubs here in Northern California, do not have the real deal cut.
Just because they call it Chem Dawg - you think you're going to get a cut of the original ? NO WAY !

I love Diesel. What they pass off as Diesel will make you cry when you grow out 400 dollars worth of
clones and find it is so bad you can't smoke it. I was so excited to get a cut of Trinity - but it was male!

Businesses are built on having just 1 killer clone.

That is not what the dispensaries are selling.
Most of their clones are given to them.
Some cuts are good, some are very good, some might even be great.
Most these cuttings are probably best of 10 - 50 females from seed.
The clones we know by name are 1 in 10,000 or 100,000 or even 1,000,000

I can pick up Dark Heart Clones at a local dispensary.
I have grown out dozens of their famous name strains, but so far, none have been up to my standards
for a keeper.

Clones purchased at dispensaries can bring problems home to your garden, bugs, mildew, etc.
Sometimes weak individuals are selected and they are far more prone to these issues.

I have MUCH better luck with seeds. And for a far better price I can have the best seeds in the world
delivered directly to my door.

Recently I got a top notch Chem Dawg out of a packet of 10 female seeds from Canada !
It had better flavor and was much stronger than the Dark Heart version.

My all time favorite strain came from Vancouver Island Seed Company, Another from Federation Seeds,
I've gotten some great genetics from HGS, all of these seeds came from Canadian companies.
Figure out what you want, call them up and ask a few questions then order them up!

The real problem, as I see it, is that most people have never smoked really great weed, and therefore have
nothing to compare to !

Now if they have to be kosher seeds, I'm outta here!

Happy Hunting. XERB

Thx for the info Xerb. Tbh that's probably more of a relief then anything at this point.

I've actually decided against a clone hunting trip to the US now. Other than the obvious issues that you and a couple others mentioned I'm also worried about not being able to get them through customs and then it would be just a big waste of time and money. Back to seed hunting I go I guess.

Thanks again to everyone who posted in this thread, I certainly did learn a few things.

 

[planttechniques]

Dude , I challenge you to go find the actual Triangle Kush or Chemdog clone in a dispensary you find on weed maps. I’ll be here waiting when you get back to say i told you so LOL

my point was you can find legit cuts of most of the newer, trending strains but you literally just listed 2 strains out of how many thousands of strains in existence and because the 2 most Holy Grail aren't in CA you disparage the whole dispensary/clone scene just because they don't carry a couple of cuts of the most legendary strains in the world.

bad analogy

name a newer trending strain in cali right now like runtz or something and you can easily find a real cut if it. I just picked up a runtz clone from PCG and it's the shittiest looking plant ever, which means it's actually a true bred runtz lol

 

[xerb]

Hi Rabbi,

I have been chuckling since I wrote the last reply to your thread and want to tell you a funny story.

I had a few friends drop in on me a few years back - beware of geeks bearing gifts.
They gave me a legendary Purple Thai clone and left me with spider mites and mildew!
We sat and compared products, and had a major smoke out.

Looking at my buds under magnification they could hardly believe they were outdoor, and said they
could pass for "indoor fire" - those were their words.

These guys do HUGE grows in the woods here each summer, and are well known at the big Oakland Club.

To make a long story short, they took a sack of my bud down to the club and left it with them. They called
about a week later to say that the club had called, told them it was better than anything they had on the shelf
right then, and that they would buy all they could get. The price they offered was 50% more than I expected!
All they ever got was that sample. Indoor fire - right ! It's the little guys who grow the best weed !

So, If this club's clones were all so legit, why wasn't all the product coming back to them better than mine?
My strain started as a 12 pack of seeds, reproduced many times over the years - and from CANADA !
Thank you Marc Emery.

Cheers, XERB

 

[Rabbi]

Hi Rabbi,

I have been chuckling since I wrote the last reply to your thread and want to tell you a funny story.

I had a few friends drop in on me a few years back - beware of geeks bearing gifts.
They gave me a legendary Purple Thai clone and left me with spider mites and mildew!
We sat and compared products, and had a major smoke out.

Looking at my buds under magnification they could hardly believe they were outdoor, and said they
could pass for "indoor fire" - those were their words.

These guys do HUGE grows in the woods here each summer, and are well known at the big Oakland Club.

To make a long story short, they took a sack of my bud down to the club and left it with them. They called
about a week later to say that the club had called, told them it was better than anything they had on the shelf
right then, and that they would buy all they could get. The price they offered was 50% more than I expected!
All they ever got was that sample. Indoor fire - right ! It's the little guys who grow the best weed !

So, If this club's clones were all so legit, why wasn't all the product coming back to them better than mine?
My strain started as a 12 pack of seeds, reproduced many times over the years - and from CANADA !
Thank you Marc Emery.

Cheers, XERB

Ahh, the good ole Mark Emery days lol. Good times and good story btw, thx for that.

 

[planttechniques]

and are well known at the big Oakland Club.

To make a long story short, they took a sack of my bud down to the club and left it with them. They called
about a week later to say that the club had called, told them it was better than anything they had on the shelf
right then, and that they would buy all they could get.

So, If this club's clones were all so legit, why wasn't all the product coming back to them better than mine?

Times have changed. Everything sold at dispensaries in Cali right now has to pass METRC which is a "seed to sale" tracking service.

These days a dispensary would lose it's license if they even accepted any "sample" that wasn't METRC passed and would certainly lose their licensee if they bought and sold said sample.

The landscape in Cali's dispensary scene right now is like a night/day difference compared to even just 2 years ago.

 

[clearheaded]

METRC doesnt verfity cuts... simply tracks them. just as likely not legit clones. or just a s1 thats tracked.. gov of cali has littler interest making sur eu get the real "GSC". rather tracked so nothing is sent to black market...

 

[CaptainDankness]

Dude , I challenge you to go find the actual Triangle Kush or Chemdog clone in a dispensary you find on weed maps. I’ll be here waiting when you get back to say i told you so LOL

definitely strange how nobody has them anymore, but the newest cuts always get so much more hype and end up selling better.

Hard to say if the newer cuts are better, could be that breeders are just making that much of an impact creating the dank. I mean it's got to be possible to breed better weed than the old greats, or Luther Burbank is a fraud! Lol
I certainly do believe the next best clone only will come from a seed myself. I also bet the best cutting is held by a small time grower could be in the US could be in Europe, australia, Canada, who knows? But I would like to get ahold of the Exodus Cheese cut.

 

[planttechniques]

all the newest strains have TK or Chemdog, etc in them.

Everyone is just a pollen chucker these days, even those who hold the rarest cuts. Even large nurseries who hold the rare cuts use them exclusively for in-house pollen chucking and sell the offspring but would never, ever actually sell the singular rare cut, it's their Golden Goose. They sell the eggs, not the Goose, why, because why sell the cow when you can do so much more volume selling the milk.

If you're trying to find the original TK or Chemdog you're never gonna find those from anyone, especially from a large nursery or dispensary. The large nurseries have no problem selling hybrids of anything and everything but if you want the originals of any of the old legendary strains you'll never find those because they aren't for sale, anywhere.

 

[CaptainDankness]

all the newest strains have TK or Chemdog, etc in them.

Everyone is just a pollen chucker these days, even those who hold the rarest cuts. Even large nurseries who hold the rare cuts use them exclusively for in-house pollen chucking and sell the offspring but would never, ever actually sell the singular rare cut, it's their Golden Goose. They sell the eggs, not the Goose, why, because why sell the cow when you can do so much more volume selling the milk.

If you're trying to find the original TK or Chemdog you're never gonna find those from anyone, especially from a large nursery or dispensary. The large nurseries have no problem selling hybrids of anything and everything but if you want the originals of any of the old legendary strains you'll never find those because they aren't for sale, anywhere.

Doubtful, the real big clone producers mostly sell hundreds of clones to various producers and dispensaries. If they ain't selling the top notch genetics, them major growers are not going to return.

Then of course, if Triangle Kush or Chemdog was just that much better, why ain't they winning every single cup event? I know if I had hands down the best I'm entering every cup winning mad awards and getting a multi million dollar contract from some of the whales in the industry.

I personally think breeding the dankest of the dank year after year has created a bottleneck of dankness. you see the frost these days? You'd have to get a 1 in 50 pheno of Black Widow for the frost you get 1 in 5 on some strains. But you select for frosty plants year after year it's going to bottleneck the frosty trait.

Just like breeding dogs, anything is possible from a mini pincher to a Tibetan Mastiff all about what you select for. I honestly believe they are just putting out better and better cuts and some really nice cuts just don't make it because breeding forward works. Can't tell me Chemdog is beyond improvement.