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Be careful festival goers

WaterBear

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EDIT: I just noticed the date on this, but I hadn't heard of it before.

http://m.lawrence.com/news/2006/sep/15/police_used_hightech_surveillance_festival/?templates=mobile


Story by Eric Weslander



Hidden, high-dollar equipment helped police crack down on drug dealing at this year's Wakarusa Festival.

A new article in a trade journal, Government Security News, describes the roughly $250,000 worth of hidden-camera, night-vision and thermal-imaging equipment used by police throughout the festival grounds. The equipment was courtesy of a California company that agreed to give a free demonstration of its wares for marketing purposes.

The company estimated that they were able to cover 85 percent of the festival grounds with about a half dozen hidden cameras. One camera, for example, was mounted atop a light tower and used on "Shakedown Street," a bustling area viewed as a problem spot for drug dealing.

"It's hopefully a win-win for everybody except the crooks," said Mike McRory, vice president of business development for NS Microwave Inc., of Spring Valley, Calif., which markets security and surveillance equipment and is owned by the defense contractor Allied Defense Group.

The company builds "covert" cameras disguised as everything from electrical boxes to birdhouses. They're capable of seeing at night as long as there's some ambient light nearby such as a lantern or fire.

'Nobody knew'

Four of its cameras were "consistently deployed" throughout the festival, and at least two others were there to be used as needed, according to the company. The cameras were controlled by a computerized command center in a 21-foot trailer that was parked atop a hill in the middle of a Frisbee golf course inside the park.

"Nobody knew," said Kevin Danciak, the company's Midwestern sales representative. "It just looked like parabolic dishes on top of a trailer."

The plan to use the cameras came about when Danciak ran into Clinton State Park manager Jerry Schecher at a Kansas narcotics officers' meeting early this year or late last year. Danciak was there to promote his equipment. Schecher was looking for answers to growing concerns about drug dealing at the festival, which was heading into its third year and was growing in popularity.

Had there not been a strong move this year by law enforcement to control the situation, Schecher said, the state would not have allowed the festival to continue.

"This is a crowd that has a high expectation of privacy and freedom, and I respect that, within limits," Schecher said. "I struggled with this a little bit, but I felt like we were doing it for the right reasons. If it was meant to be Big Brother and spying on people, I wouldn't have done it."

One festivalgoer said the hidden cameras were "a shame and kind of embarrassing.

"I feel like it was really a big mistake because people at a festival are trying to have a good time and let loose. I would be willing to bet that most people wouldn't be OK with that had they known," Ali Mangan said.

She said law enforcement should have at leased publicized the hidden cameras. The surveillance was conducted at the expense of the privacy of people not selling drugs, Mangan said.

Safer means

The main things the cameras captured, Danciak said, were hand-to-hand drug transactions and drug use. After zooming into an area where drug sales were happening, police could then send an officer in to make an undercover buy that was caught on camera.

"We could see if there was a problem and then address it rather than just having to focus all of our foot patrols or enforcement in that area all of the time," Schecher said.

Danciak said the result was a safer way of busting drug deals.

"No fighting, no running, no guns drawn, nothing," he said. "It was just, 'You pop around the corner, you're there, you identify yourself and you see people just deflate.'"

He declined comment on whether the cameras covered the festival stage areas or campground areas outside the festival.

At least a month before the festival began, Schecher said, promoter Brett Mosiman was notified of the plan for security cameras. Mosiman did not return phone calls Thursday seeking comment.

The cameras' presence was not publicized in the Lawrence area before or after the festival.

The article in Government Security News said the images produced were so good that some alleged dealers entered pleas based on the strength of that evidence. But Dist. Atty. Charles Branson, whose office is charged with prosecuting the cases, said he did not know of any cases in which that happened.

Many of those arrested at the festival were allowed to plead to lower charges in a massive docket call a few days after the hearing.

Police seized more than $11,000 in suspected drug money, but some of that came outside the festival grounds in a Kansas Highway Patrol checkpoint.

Lt. Kari Wempe, of the Douglas County Sheriff's Office, the lead agency at the festival, said the camera system worked well.

"It gave a good overall aerial view of the grounds, which we would not have had otherwise," she said.

But so far, she said, the sheriff has no plans to buy any of the company's equipment. Schecher said he would like to use a similar system at the park in the future, perhaps for catching people who try to break into pay stations, but not necessarily for next year's festival.

"Kevin has nice toys, but they're expensive," he said.
 

HidingInTheHaze

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It sounds like it's time for a good ole fashioned Hippie ass whomping..


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DevilWeedSeeds

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Must...... catch.... the ....evil....... cannabis...... users.... at ...... all.......COSTS.

Sometimes I feel like society has regressed from the reefer madness days. Damn what a waste of money.
 

resinryder

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"This is a crowd that has a high expectation of privacy and freedom, and I respect that, within limits," Schecher said. "I struggled with this a little bit, but I felt like we were doing it for the right reasons. If it was meant to be Big Brother and spying on people, I wouldn't have done it."

"If it was meant to be Big Brother and spying on people, I wouldn't have done it."

Just who the fuck did he think it was for?

""I struggled with this a little bit, but I felt like we were doing it for the right reasons"

Maybe he should have struggled a bit more and realized the violation of privacy. Piece of shit
 

yesum

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Drug sales at a concert, cannot have that! They might start acting crazy if they take those drugs!

You aint seen nothing yet with cameras. This is gonna be all over the US cities like it is in England now.
 

Stoner4Life

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buying sketch drugs from someone on 'Shakedown Street'?

thnx but I always bring my own stash and consume discreetly.
 

huligun

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Fact... Some Friends of a friend got caught by cops using high tech gear at a concert/rock fest in Washington State selling X about a week or two ago. A substantial amount of the drug and money was found on the kids doing that. Kids in their early 20s looking at hard time (apparently). They were recorded on cam selling the stuff. No fan of hard drugs here, but the law seems to go after all "Drug" deals and I have been very cavalier personally in my dealings with strangers, myself, at such events. No More though.
 

HempKat

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I don't get the sense of violation of privacy here, I mean people gave up their rights at concerts and similar events a long time ago when they started tolerating everyone being searched before entering such an event. Frisking everyone because some few amongst the crowd might bring illegal drugs in is unreasonable search in my book which is supposed to be protected by the 4th amendment of our constitution. Few people made a fuss about it when they started doing that though and so it's no surprise that when we gave them an inch the government took a mile and now we have the addition of these cameras.

What's sad though is the end result will be that if people can't get their drugs into these events they'll do them before hand which means more people on the roads wasted, rushing to get to the concert before the opening act goes on stage. So their so called win-win situation seems more like a lose-lose situation if you ask me.
 

Tudo

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One of them three stooges, right?

No saying that would be like saying some law is "stupid" when in fact laws are written by learned men and women, lawyers who are quite educated and therefore there's other words I would use instead like evil, controlling, payola/graft, and others to describe laws but stupid isn't one of them. The Three Stooges were comedians. They brought laughter and joy to peoples lives. Sometimes police do that. Often times police wreak havoc on peoples lives. No, definitely not like one of the Three Stooges.
 

vta

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I don't get the sense of violation of privacy here, I mean people gave up their rights at concerts and similar events a long time ago when they started tolerating everyone being searched before entering such an event. Frisking everyone because some few amongst the crowd might bring illegal drugs in is unreasonable search in my book which is supposed to be protected by the 4th amendment of our constitution.

In a couple weeks I will be attending my 6th Mayhem Fest in Nazi land San Bernadino, CA. A few years ago, the guy searching me thought he struck gold when he found a dozen joints or so on my person. He acted like an excited little girl as he ran and skipped to his supervisor. He excitedly said, "Look..look at this!" Next thing I know, this person of 'authority' walked over to me (all 5' 300lbs of her) and said, "Thanks! This is mine now." I said, "Nope...I don't think so." I explained that was my medicine and she had no right taking it from me. Next thing I know there was 5 or 6 security surrounding me. Long story short, they called the Sheriff. At first he tried to tell me they were going to confiscate them. After I educated him on the law...he gave me the option of returning to my car to either "smoke them all" or leave them there and come back.

The bottom line is that the venue is privately owned and they reserve the right to refuse my "drugs".

I did get them in though....
 

vStagger Leev

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I was at that festival, and it was no joke. The police personally took cannabis from me and fellow campers, but never pressed charges, even after I told one of em I was high as sputnik... HAHAHAHAHAH~!!! But yah, they busted allot of folks with thermal cameras/night vision that year. And I have never been back to Kansas since, nor do I ever plan on it. Much love festi goers! SL Be SAFE
 

Hammerhead

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I do remember having a great time at concerts in the 70,80's. everyone had smoke.. joints coming at you from all directions....The more tech advanced we get the more our rights are violated "becasue THEY felt it was the right thing to do" what a piece of shit..
 

HempKat

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Drug sales at a concert, cannot have that! They might start acting crazy if they take those drugs!

You aint seen nothing yet with cameras. This is gonna be all over the US cities like it is in England now.

It already is, just not as overtly as it is in England but between all the red light cameras, speeding cameras, atm cameras, security cameras for businesses, cameras for the weather channel to cut to when reporting severe weather, cameras to monitor traffic conditions, and now soon cameras from drones. We already have a pretty extensive network of cameras to draw upon. Plus the media has been conditioning us for it for some time. Watch any of the police shows and it won't be long before you see a cop say something like, "Pull the footage from the security cameras in the area to see if we can find the perp."
 

Morcheeba*

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its interesting that its against the law to video leo even w/them knowing but you have no expectation of privacy while in public.

im all for safety but signs should be posted at least.


peace
 
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