Bayer Monsanto Merger Will Steal The Marijuana Industry

[Thcvhunter]

Joke for the day:

PhD = "piled higher and deeper" or "piled higher degree" or "permanent head damage".

My best college teacher said we could call her anything as long as it wasnt Dr.
She despised acedemic doctorates and said they are all egos.
And she was right.
I admire people driven by passion and compassion, not ego.

Be well, buddy

 

[Cannacamper]

Like I said.
I have forgotten more than you will ever learn. Your responses prove that.
Anyway, Im tired of arguing with little children. You win !! (Smirk)
I got enough laughs at your ignorance anyway.
All answers to your questions are all found in this forum, so you aren't spouting anything that cant be found in this Forum.
You aren't speaking Greek to someone who was an Aquaculture Technician for 15 yrs, who worked in a lab going genetics, who traveled all over the world as a trouble shooter in the industry. You cant compare with what little knowledge you have.
And yes, I was able to use this expertise to do my own thing with growing quality wed.
Like I said before, YOU DONT KNOW ME DUDE, so don't try to compare your intelligence with mine. You will lose !!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Sam, saying shit does not make it a fact....that we both agree on.

Since 1998, GW has been licensed by the UK Home Office to cultivate cannabis plants for medical use. GW's team includes leading experts in cannabis breeding, developing new, proprietary chemotypes that will produce the raw material bases for future pharmaceutical research.

GW's team includes experts in Cannabis breeding. In the genetic model used, the cannabinoid content of each chemical phenotype (chemotype) is controlled by four independent loci. By manipulating the genes at these four positions, our scientists can precisely control the cannabinoid composition of a plant.

Selected seedlings are maintained as clones. Clones are genetically identical, thus ensuring that the ratio of plant constituents is fixed within narrow limits. Clonal propagation does not involve genetic modification.
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Hmmmm....you said, "GW uses classical plant breeding not GMO, check your "facts"."....and GW says, "By manipulating the genes at these four positions, our scientists can precisely control the cannabinoid composition of a plant." Who is right?

Anyone out there believe "manipulating the genes at these four locations..." is "classical plant breeding"?

Sorry, man--but this all goes back to Etienne De Meijer's research (inventor identified on the patent).

What can I say? You are right you did not say GW's work was GMO but you did imply it, that was everyones take and you know why.
It was also right after you posted other GMO scare crap, about Monsanto GMO Cannabis in Urugray, that there is no proof of yet it exists, except maybe in the minds of fools. "article is a good read" according to you....
"The Connection Between The Legalization Of Marijuana In Uruguay, Monsanto And George Soros"

To tell the truth you know exactly what you did imply, and now hide and pretend you never said it, ok we agree you did not say it, now man up and admit you implied it? Or are you going to keep playing games? I thought I was clear in my post #126.
Also maybe all posters could stick to the thread issue and stop the name calling or I will delete off topic posts or close the thread. The issue is GMO Monsanto Cannabis, not classical breeding with Cannabis.
-SamS

 

[Cannabologist]

Yeah sure guy.. You have all this knowledge, yet you've never shared any, and now refuse to do so.. Funny that.

You know so much more than me! Please, teach me! Teach us all with your years of experience! Trust me, with all this knowledge as you say, there is much you could give us that is not here on this website, please, expound us with your *technician* knowledge lol. We are waiting..!!

You should start a giant aquaponics thread. You must know so much you could show us here from years of doing that, and the years of indoor growing as you say you have done..

WAIT>>> You're a trouble shooter in "THE INDUSTRY", weren't you just a second ago railing against "THE INDUSTRY"? Am I tripping baked? Holy fuck the troll is strong with this one! Didn't you work for corporations all that time working in "THE INDUSTRY" as an "aquaponics technician"?. And now call me "corporate"? WEREN'T YOU IN A LAB "DOING GENETICS???" LOLOL>.. Whatever that actually means. I've "been in labs", "doing genetics" too lolololol.

Talk about projection again. Hypocrisy much? Of course you don't! You're one of God's, or mother natures, or someone's lol, perfect little angel you've done no wrong!

Really as someone who's worked as a tech you should easily be able to answer all of my kinda bogus questions with real legitimate answers. Tell us, how much potash should cannabis receive throughout the flowering cycle? I'd be interested to hear your opinion of your experience :-D

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7624673&postcount=1
But for someone with all your knowledge and years of growing plants, and growing weed, I come across this post...
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As I am unfamiliar with outdoor growing, I have a question about mold. We will be having wet weather for next 7-8 days with high humidity, no wind, very little sunshine, warm nights, and lots of rain. 3 inches this afternoon.
In outside conditions of this manner, when will mold set in ??
These are Indica's in week 6 of flower. Flowers are starting to compact and growing daily. These are heavy buds, very dense on main stalk. Top colas are 8x 14 and still 3 weeks to go.
My question: When will mold be a problem ? Is it an immediate problem, or will this take a few days. Should I be concerned ?
Plants are so tall, 8-9 ft., that I cant see top of plants, and ladders ore out of the ??

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You've been growing for HOW LONG and you never had plants outdoors? You're like, 57 years old right, as you stated in your posts? Sure anyone can not know things, I never make any claims to know everything, no one does.... But... You with all that horticulture knowledge didn't expect and anticipate mold? You really had to ask people on icmag to make sure? The most nub grow guide would have said you're fucked and have offered advice..

Given that question... I'd like to ask, did you get mold? Cause yeah I'd say you are a prime candidate for mold especially if those plants were uncovered... Scroll down... Yep you got mold. That sucks. Was the weed any good?.. Did you turn it into oil??

You should have took the advice.. (a guerilla grow so no way you say... Well now you have moldy plants...). I am sure the will still be sold and make their way to the black market. Edibles? Oil? I'm sure you can save something, right? Not everything was a loss was it?

Maybe you should go check out the growing large plants outdoors thread.. Or check out my huge guide I compiled on the subject of growing outdoors thanks to that thread, that I put together for a reference for everyone, it would really help you out... Hmm, I should get those links updated... NEWAY...
No I don't know you. No one does. No one cares. Keep

Like I said.
I have forgotten more than you will ever learn. Your responses prove that.
Anyway, Im tired of arguing with little children. You win !! (Smirk)
I got enough laughs at your ignorance anyway.
All answers to your questions are all found in this forum, so you aren't spouting anything that cant be found in this Forum.
You aren't speaking Greek to someone who was an Aquaculture Technician for 15 yrs, who worked in a lab going genetics, who traveled all over the world as a trouble shooter in the industry. You cant compare with what little knowledge you have.
And yes, I was able to use this expertise to do my own thing with growing quality wed.
Like I said before, YOU DONT KNOW ME DUDE, so don't try to compare your intelligence with mine. You will lose !!

 

[_tessarecting]

this fuckin thread

 

[ganjagalore]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/cannabis-a-year-that-changed-minds-1200871.html

 

[Medfinder]

Here’s Why This Marijuana Drug Company’s Stock Is Soaring
http://fortune.com/2016/06/27/gw-pharma-cannabis-drug-results/

 

[Thcvhunter]

Sam,

This is not your thread.
How would you have the power/right to edit or delete this thread?

 

[siftedunity]

he is a moderator.

 

[Thcvhunter]

I always forget that.
My bad

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

No problem, I just want less personal fighting that is it. I have no interest in deleting posts or or ending the thread.
I do like debates kept to the OP issues and try to avoid personal attacks as much as possible.
We are a very diverse community, but I think we all do share a love of Cannabis, for one reason or many. You can always PM people as long as you try to not be rude, that is truly a waste of time in the long run.
Happy New Year.
-SamS

I always forget that.
My bad

 

[Thcvhunter]

Someone accused Sam of not giving out helpful info.
He's actually been very straightforward with lineages recently and its been very helpful in tying together many threads(of info).

 

[DocTim420]

What can I say? You are right you did not say GW's work was GMO but you did imply it, that was everyones take and you know why.
It was also right after you posted other GMO scare crap, about Monsanto GMO Cannabis in Urugray, that there is no proof of yet it exists, except maybe in the minds of fools. "article is a good read" according to you....
"The Connection Between The Legalization Of Marijuana In Uruguay, Monsanto And George Soros"

To tell the truth you know exactly what you did imply, and now hide and pretend you never said it, ok we agree you did not say it, now man up and admit you implied it? Or are you going to keep playing games? I thought I was clear in my post #126.
Also maybe all posters could stick to the thread issue and stop the name calling or I will delete off topic posts or close the thread. The issue is GMO Monsanto Cannabis, not classical breeding with Cannabis.
-SamS

Sam, my posts in this thread have a common thread--addressing certain misconceptions about "corporations"....btw, the issue is NOT GMO Monsanto Cannabis--the topic is "Bayer Monsanto Merger Will Steal The Marijuana Industry ". Please start a new thread about GMO Monsanto Cannabis if you want (I promise I will not visit it)--

IMO...the only real monopoly in our current world is "government". There are alternative sources for almost all other goods and services.

BTW Soros nearly bankrupted England with his cleverness and that financial bet is source of his current power/wealth.

Let's get put this on the table--for some, there is NOTHING that "corporations" (like Bayer, Monsanto, etc) can ever do that (in their eyes) that will ever be viewed as "honorable".

In there minds--evil never emanates from an individual, but from organized "faceless opponents" (vast right winged conspiracy, tea party, greedy corporations, big oil, etc).

Since the current "boogie man" target are "corporations", I remind everyone that a "corporation" is really is a "figment of our legal imagination". A "corporation" has no physical form (impossible to touch it, see it or talk to it), rather it exists in our minds because of a legal process that permits people to formally organize themselves in a legal association; capable of conducting business, entering contracts, to file and defend themselves in lawsuits, and to voluntary dissolve (something humans can not do...lol).

A "corporation" is an association of people that have paid a fee for the pleasure of organizing themselves as a "legal entity". It is a revenue generator for governments.

Yes, "corporations" do personal things like--buy tickets to sporting events and even "own luxury boxes", but it is "people" that attend the game--not the actual "Articles of Incorporation" document.

Instead of "evil corporations"--there are "evil people", and IMO--it would be more honest to discuss the "real evil" as opposed to the "perceived evil"...perhaps identifying the person(s) that are evil and discussing their actual "dirty deed(s)" might be a tad difficult to do--but it is more intellectually honest.

This particular dialog was NOT about GMO (which was not the topic of discussion, but addressing the perceived "evils" of Bayer + Monsanto merger). I was directly responding to Betterhalf's post--and my "implication" or point I was making is highlighted in "bold"--that the merger is a consolidation of two entities and their intellectual property and cannabis consumers are "free thinkers".

The synergies. For Bayer it’s the North American market and others where Monsanto has a stronghold. There is also the combination of their respective R & D departments.

Amen!

It is public knowledge that research technology from GW Pharmaceuticals has been shared with Bayer since 2003...and then shared with Monsanto since 2007.

And...ahem, drum roll please, then is it any surprise that in 2009 (2 years after Monsanto's research got department got involved with GW Pharm) that GW Pharm announced it had succeeded in genetically altering a cannabis plant and patented a new breed of cannabis. Imagine that.

So, if the cannabis technology has been shared by all 3 (Bayer+Monsanto+GW Pharm) for almost 10 years know--then isn't the "the sky is falling" crowd a little late to this parade?

IMO, the Bayer+Monsanto merger is really a consolidation of two entities and their intellectual property. The cannabis marketplace is still consumer driven and I bet there is a greater percentage of "free thinking" people within the cannabis marketplace than the general population. Free thinkers do not like being told what to do.

And in response to Kono's assertion that was bought and paid for...and that capitalism is bad, I say the following: Dude I respect your opinion but strongly disagree. I rather have capitalism than socialism because: I enjoy the ability to choose, I love my freedom, I like technical innovation, and I like to say "no". You see, these things are absent in a socialistic society.

So let me get this right, when I make a statement you argue that I mean "GMO"--but when you make that same statement, you argue it means "classical breeding"?

Whatever! Your problem is reading words that were never written--and then accusing me of saying something that was never said or meant. You know what happens when you "assume"...."ass u me".

You are asking me to admit to something that I did not do, sorry I have integrity and will not "lie" for you. No I did not imply GMO in my post...rather my point is--the merger is a consolidation of two entities and their intellectual property, and cannabis consumers are free thinkers--and will do what they want.

NOW FOR THE SAKE OF SANITY, CAN WE LET THIS DEADHORSE LIE?

 

[ganjagalore]

No problem, I just want less personal fighting that is it. I have no interest in deleting posts or or ending the thread.
I do like debates kept to the OP issues and try to avoid personal attacks as much as possible.
We are a very diverse community, but I think we all do share a love of Cannabis, for one reason or many. You can always PM people as long as you try to not be rude, that is truly a waste of time in the long run.
Happy New Year.
-SamS

Hey Sam. Interesting debate for sure. I was wondering if you could tell us more about the work HortaPharm did with GW Pharma?

 

[GnarlsBarkley]

Can't help but notice the price of Gavita fixtures has gone up since before they were bought... By like 50-60 bucks

 

[Cannabologist]

UGH! Just when things were starting to get EXCITING!!! lol


lol

^^^

It makes sense for a product to jump in price after a company is sold and bought - the new owners have to make their money back and then some somehow. Also, they have a great product that right now is top of the line and can't be beat, so they can charge basically what they want (within reason) and people will buy it because it not only works but is the best.

 

[yortbogey]

since certain folks insist on derailing this thread, time and time again...

closed

 

[Babbabud]

Just for the record ... you must be a super mod or admin to have the ability to ban someone. Sam is neither.