Bangi Haze

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

Bangi Haze doesn't get the credit it deserves. I just skimmed back through the thread. It has gotten the attention of the likes of Mostly Me, Mad Mac, Maha Kala, Funkyhorse... Sativa connoisseurs for sure.

I was reminded of all the outcrosses I tested it to. I tested the crap out of this variety. In the end, it followed VISC Burmese into my long time pollen chucking, breeding project. Now that I've moved to the tropics, I call it Wicked Weed of the North. It has 50% Bangi Haze. I haven't found anything in 10 years that has compelled me to outcross again. And I have been looking, believe me. I'm at the F4 generation of line breeding, and I haven't been able to screw it up yet.

I'm throwing down the gauntlet Dubi. I now live at 10° from the equator. I feel you should make some Zamal x Thai seeds that might improve what I have in this line to grow in this new climate. You know Bangi Haze deserves it.

Speaking of throwing down the gauntlet, I didn't think anyone was going to match my giant examples of these genetics. I was wrong. Holy Moly Glorn2!

Bangi Haze

Indoors I turn off the fan, wait an hour of two, spray the plants down, and then turn the fan back on again. Can't really do that outdoors but maybe doing it on a day with little wind and doing the spraydown could still work. I use a small paintbrush mainly, also used Q-tips sometimes. Same...

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[ThaiBliss]

This year's example of the Bangi Haze genes that I posted above does not do justice to what I have. It was weather beaten, lightning struck, and attacted by all sorts of tropical indignities that it is not used to. If you all will indulge me, below are pictures of what Bangi Haze has been bringing to me over the generations of selections I've made. This is my tribute:

This below is the selection I used. I regretted not saving the first heavy producer I found with the great high, but this also had a great quality high. I don't regret using this plant at all, despite the lack of vigor. It proved itself through the generations. There is no better test.

This was my next choice for breeding. If I remember correctly, this was the F1. Beastly hybrid vigor.

The vigor continued in subsequent generations, so did the great high. This was an F2 that was rejected despite the very impressive and produtive buds. It's the very best high that counts!

The next generations became pretty darn consistent very quickly. I had been using polyhybrids as outcrosses a lot in the past. The previous two outcrossings in a row of VISC Burmese and Bangi Haze were both stablized heirloom strains. It was shocking to me how easy it was to line breed when I stopped using polyhybrids. These well bred varieties are not common. THANK YOU DUBI!!

I don't remember which of these plants below were F3, F4. The information got lost in my head. I once had this 45 year project documented. I reconstructed it on paper. It took me about a year to remember it all. I don't know where those sheets of paper are. LOL. I documented it in my ICMAG photo album, but when ICMAG moved to a new server, the number of characters permitted in the description of the album got truncated.
I lost it.

Here are just pictures of various plants. All good, and pretty consistent. There are occasional plants that need to be culled, but the vast majority pass muster.

Continued...

 

[ThaiBliss]

These last buds remind me of Trainwreck. This is one reason I know Thai genetics will blend well with this. Maybe a collaboration?! My Bangi Thai x Your Bangi Thai.

The buds are skinnier than most of the Bangi Haze relatives. I did choose a skinny ancestor, but it was the exception and the Burmese was very chunky. Previous generations of my line had skinny buds I guess, including the Trainwreck I used before the Burmese. It doesn't bother me at all. The high is still great. Never had such success before.

I had a couple of generations of much more potent plants with awesome highs before the Trainwreck. But I had to wait weeks after smoking to get that powerful punch. It's like I developed an imunity to it. That problem is long gone now. I'm rambling.

Thanks again Dubi!


Cheers!

 

[ThaiBliss]

The ugly duckling I grew this year is now dry enough to start curing in a jar. Many of the buds are stuck together in a sticky gummy mess. Feels like hash on my fingers. It might be a touch too wet for the moment.

 

[squatty]

How wet is your environment ThaiBliss and do you have much humidity when your plants are in flower? They look beautiful.

I've only grown Bangi Haze once but am curious about using it in crosses.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Squatty,

Thanks for the compliment. What kind of climate do you grow in?

I've been growning these plants over the last decade on the northern edge of a Meditteranian climate. It would be very dry duing the summer, with humidity as low as 15%, and sometimes humid and wet near the end of flowering. However, I have moved to just north of the equator. We normally get a dry season that starts in November or December. But this "dry" season might have humidity as low as 45% at high noon, and 60% or more on a humid day. Very different indeed! This year has been abnormally excessively wet. We had major flooding in late October and the first half of November. It has continued to rain off and on since.

Because of light cycle here, the days of growing 16 foot tall plants with these genes are over. My best plant got barely over 3 feet tall. I also had mold problems. Hopefully the mold will not be an issue every year. Natural culling is already occurring. One plant was overtaken by mold. The better plant produced seed for me. I hope to find a potent, clear, and cerebral tropical or subtropical plant to breed with these genes so they are more suited to this environment.

The bud from my successful plant is reportedly "really nice". Which was the comment a friend made. I believe him because I watched his eyes glaze over after he took a few hits. I haven't seen his eyes get that glassy when smoking other samples available. I haven't tested it yet. I think it needs a bit longer cure before I am willing to compare to other years. Next year, I'm going to plant later in the year in hopes of avoiding the rainier weather. This means the plants will finish ripening up as the daylight hours start to slowly increase. It takes 6 month for the daylight hours to change only 45 minutes here. But it will be new conditions for these genetics none the less. At least they will likely experience much dryer and sunnier conditions. I'm at high altitude, so the sun is very intense here.

I'm confident that these genes will adapt and I will be able to breed plants from this seedstock that will produce buds of excellent quality high and improved resistence to mold. Even if I find good tropical / subtropical genes to improve this stock, I will keep some without the new genes. I want some short season genetics here as well as longer flowering genetics. Besides, I would be afraid of losing the quality of this high. I want to preserve the baseline as best I can.

Good luck with your breeding of this lineage. I would urge you to stay true to the happy, cerebral, and energetic nature of the high from Bangi Haze. In the good old days, finding this type of Cannabis experience was common. This is no longer the case. Something like Bangi Haze isn't easy to find anymore. Too many breeders hybridize this type of high out of existence. I would encourage people to double down on these traits.

Cheers

 

[rlsmooth]

I regret not taking a cut of this plant. Resinous, lemon + spicy herbal notes differing from the onion plant I grew a year ago. Down to one last bangi seed after this. Steaming along around 3 weeks in flower.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Lemon, spice, is everything nice. Looking good.

 

[Colorize]

I have a question. Is Bangi Haze a low odor or high odor line?

I suspect the answer is that it depends on the phenotype, but I've heard people say that it smells strongly as it's growing and that it doesn't smell at all. Are the plants stinky on average?

 

[early_hominid]

Yeah they have been stinky the last two seasons for me @Colorize

 

[ThaiBliss]

One thing Dubi does is make sure there is variability in his seedstock while sticking to an overall common theme. A person can find somewhat stinky ones. I think cerebral and energetic is the more overall theme, though I haven't grown recent seedstock.

 

[early_hominid]

I agree @ThaiBliss, I’m thinking of the plants vegging outside being stinky

Definitely there are cerebral and expansive phenotypes that are clean lemon spice and herb aromas

 

[Colorize]

Yeah they have been stinky the last two seasons for me @Colorize

Appreciate the input, thanks. I was wondering if low odor plants are easy to find.

 

[dilettante]

Appreciate the input, thanks. I was wondering if low odor plants are easy to find.

The two regs I had last year were definitely stinky in flower. A handful of little clones stank more indoors than three times as many and triple the size plants of different Purple Satellite crosses and Nepal Jam x Kali Chinas.

 

[squatty]

Hi Squatty,

Thanks for the compliment. What kind of climate do you grow in?

I've been growning these plants over the last decade on the northern edge of a Meditteranian climate. It would be very dry duing the summer, with humidity as low as 15%, and sometimes humid and wet near the end of flowering. However, I have moved to just north of the equator. We normally get a dry season that starts in November or December. But this "dry" season might have humidity as low as 45% at high noon, and 60% or more on a humid day. Very different indeed! This year has been abnormally excessively wet. We had major flooding in late October and the first half of November. It has continued to rain off and on since.

Because of light cycle here, the days of growing 16 foot tall plants with these genes are over. My best plant got barely over 3 feet tall. I also had mold problems. Hopefully the mold will not be an issue every year. Natural culling is already occurring. One plant was overtaken by mold. The better plant produced seed for me. I hope to find a potent, clear, and cerebral tropical or subtropical plant to breed with these genes so they are more suited to this environment.

The bud from my successful plant is reportedly "really nice". Which was the comment a friend made. I believe him because I watched his eyes glaze over after he took a few hits. I haven't seen his eyes get that glassy when smoking other samples available. I haven't tested it yet. I think it needs a bit longer cure before I am willing to compare to other years. Next year, I'm going to plant later in the year in hopes of avoiding the rainier weather. This means the plants will finish ripening up as the daylight hours start to slowly increase. It takes 6 month for the daylight hours to change only 45 minutes here. But it will be new conditions for these genetics none the less. At least they will likely experience much dryer and sunnier conditions. I'm at high altitude, so the sun is very intense here.

I'm confident that these genes will adapt and I will be able to breed plants from this seedstock that will produce buds of excellent quality high and improved resistence to mold. Even if I find good tropical / subtropical genes to improve this stock, I will keep some without the new genes. I want some short season genetics here as well as longer flowering genetics. Besides, I would be afraid of losing the quality of this high. I want to preserve the baseline as best I can.

Good luck with your breeding of this lineage. I would urge you to stay true to the happy, cerebral, and energetic nature of the high from Bangi Haze. In the good old days, finding this type of Cannabis experience was common. This is no longer the case. Something like Bangi Haze isn't easy to find anymore. Too many breeders hybridize this type of high out of existence. I would encourage people to double down on these traits.

Cheers

Thank you for the detailed response to my humidity questions ThaiBliss. I also took note of your observations of the benefits of moving away from polyhybrids.

Like you, I am moving to the tropics. My environment is very wet and humid throughout the year at 19 degrees latitude in a subtropical highland environment. For the time being I've found Zamaldelica to be an excellent candidate to start with.

Since I have some Bangi Haze packs I will be testing them at some point to see how they fare. If the plants do not work well I will move on to some others I have like Kibungan, New Caledonia, Burma and then others from RSC.

I have grown Bangi Haze previously but that was at 45 degree latitude.

 

[rlsmooth]

Bangi haze turning to last third of flowering. Minor tip burn due to experimenting with biobizz nutes + other organic amendmends, lowered bb amounts already. I'm pretty impressed about what a 100w led can do , cmh was killer but had to scale down a little.

 

[brickweeder]

Thank you for the detailed response to my humidity questions ThaiBliss. I also took note of your observations of the benefits of moving away from polyhybrids.

Like you, I am moving to the tropics. My environment is very wet and humid throughout the year at 19 degrees latitude in a subtropical highland environment. For the time being I've found Zamaldelica to be an excellent candidate to start with.

Since I have some Bangi Haze packs I will be testing them at some point to see how they fare. If the plants do not work well I will move on to some others I have like Kibungan, New Caledonia, Burma and then others from RSC.

I have grown Bangi Haze previously but that was at 45 degree latitude.

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nice tray!

 

[dubi]

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These last buds remind me of Trainwreck. This is one reason I know Thai genetics will blend well with this. Maybe a collaboration?! My Bangi Thai x Your Bangi Thai.
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The buds are skinnier than most of the Bangi Haze relatives. I did choose a skinny ancestor, but it was the exception and the Burmese was very chunky. Previous generations of my line had skinny buds I guess, including the Trainwreck I used before the Burmese. It doesn't bother me at all. The high is still great. Never had such success before.

I had a couple of generations of much more potent plants with awesome highs before the Trainwreck. But I had to wait weeks after smoking to get that powerful punch. It's like I developed an imunity to it. That problem is long gone now. I'm rambling.

Thanks again Dubi!


Cheers!

Thanks for the passionate and inspiring post about your endeavors with Bangi Haze and its outcrosses @ThaiBliss. Bangi Haze is an old strain and has been a continuous breeding effort by different breeders at different stages: first Mano Negra, then Estai, then Kaiki, and myself after 2013.

I agree, Bangi Haze has the potential to produce exceptional F1s (Panama x Bangi Haze comes to mind) if you select a good one with the effects and terpenes you like. In my experience, it outcrosses best with other more sativa-leaning strains rather than indica.

For your project in the tropics with Bangi Haze, our R+D Thai Chiang Mai x Bangi Haze fem would be a great addition:

Thai x Bangi Haze. ACE Seeds R+D. Feminized Seeds.

THAI X BANGI HAZE

www.aceseeds.org

I don’t know why more growers didn’t pay more attention to this F1.

Hope your Bangi Haze hybrids continue to shine with great effects and traits through inbreeding

 

[dubi]

One thing Dubi does is make sure there is variability in his seedstock while sticking to an overall common theme. A person can find somewhat stinky ones. I think cerebral and energetic is the more overall theme, though I haven't grown recent seedstock.

Bangi Haze was reworked by me in 2013 to increase terpene content (among many other traits) compared to previous generations, making it a louder strain since then.

 

[dubi]

Bangi haze turning to last third of flowering. Minor tip burn due to experimenting with biobizz nutes + other organic amendmends, lowered bb amounts already. I'm pretty impressed about what a 100w led can do , cmh was killer but had to scale down a little.

Looking great @rlsmooth she is loving the environment and your good cares! Glad you got as lemony-spicy if you prefer such terpene profiles over the veggie ones.