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[ballast]

bagseed surprises

oh great another noob thread haha well it seems i have some real freaky bagseed genetics going on that may be of interest to some...

first grow went okay except the product was total crap, did a good proper harvest and cure done right according to all i have read around here but that stuff is unlike anything i ever smelled or smoked, its pretty obviously something unusual about the plant. of course i was all bummed about it for a while, then decided hey why not give it another shot while waiting to get some real beans, but darnit the remaining bagseed was just too old and would not germinate. fortunately i had pollinated a few flowers with a Q-tip before tossing the males on that first grow, just as an experiment, and got viable seeds! yes with just cfl's too. i figured offspring of that plant would likely be worthless, but went ahead anyway; they germinated quickly and easily, and thus began my second grow and new surprises...

these 6 babies are nothing at all like their parents so far: fat indica looking leaves and profuse branching, rapid growth, and at least 2 have a nice skunky aroma (yep diy carbon scrubber working :wink. my first grow may have been stunted in early veg due to nute problems, so its hard to compare. using worm castings this grow and loving the results. now the coolest thing of all, after just 3 nights on 12/12 i find a lovely pair of pistils! is it very unusual to show sex that soon? they were on 20/4 veg for about 3 weeks. hope they all show soon, cuz i'm running out of room fast.. these aren't growing short and compact like first grow did. aiming for a sog style grow to maximize chance of getting a decent pheno in available space.

how long into flowering can i still root cuttings? there are some nice 4+ inch branches coming from the lower nodes. i want to try cloning but unsure if really prepared yet. well bagseed grows are fun, anyway gotta get some real strains if i ever get this safe addy thing worked out. guess i'll stop rambling now as this has gotten long enough, lol.

peace

 

[Guest]

In the future remember its always best to take your clones before the onset of 12/12 otherwise you can run into many problems besides a long rooting period.Certain hormonal changes take place when you throw a plant under a 12/12 photoperiod and you want to pull cuttings before these changes take place.Some visable maladies of taking cuttings after 12/12 has started would be vegging plants full of pistils and single and 3 bladed fan leaves,take your cuttings before 12/12,even if you dont know the sex yet,and you can avoid all that crap

 

[Teadaemon]

I've rooted cuttings taken about two weeks after the first appearance of female flowers (and about four weeks of 12/12, albeit after a very short amount of vegging). I had a 50% success rate at rooting (albeit 100% from one plant and 0 from the other), but it took 14-17 days in plain water, the cuts looked so sickly I thought I was going to lose most or all, and it's taken a month or so for them to re-veg and start producing new leaves. Still, I'd say it was a viable option, though I'd much prefer to take cuttings from plants in vegetative growth if it's possible to do so.

 

[Guest]

If you plan on propagating a pheno for any length of time it really is necessary to take them in veg starting with the original seedplant.I've kept a blockhead pheno going for over 2 years now but the first time I tried it I took cuttings from the seedplant after 12/12,I didnt get too many "generations" before my plants were just a mess in veg.One thing you dont want is a vegging plant with a ton of pistils and that always seems to happen.When I take cuttings from my blockhead plants before I throw them into 12/12 they are basically free of pistils until I change the photoperiod,this is definately what you want to see.I cant see any reason I shouldnt be able to keep this pheno going for 5 years if I wanted too,but only if I take all cuttings before "the change"

 

[Guest]

SKELETOR,

I see what you are trying to say about the pistils and the funky growth, however I disagree with some of what you're saying.

I have on a few occasions come across nice suprises from plants in early flower up to 4-5 weeks into 12/12. The latest was a purple pheno of Nirvana big bud it started turning purple with no low temps at around 4 weeks into 12/12. I took 2 cuttings from the lower branches, both rooted and are currently putting out "normal" looking branches.

I also kept an extremely potent AK-47 x Matanuska Tundra by taking 10 flowering cuttings after about 3 weeks of 12/12. I had that strain for at least 2 years with no problems whatsoever.

It is definately not necessary to make your mother plant from a seed plant I have a C-99 line I've had for about a year and a half that I finally selected from clones that were on their 3rd or 4th cycle.

When taking clones from flowering plants I believe that it is necessary to let them reveg fully before trying to work with them. Wait until all new growth looks normal and then start cloning and flowering those clones. I have never experienced any degradation or other adverse side affects after a total reveg. JME

Peace CH

 

[Closet Funk]

It's alright to take clones in the first few weeks of flowering. I tend to cut off lower branches that won't get good light during the stretch. Those cut branches can be used as clones. Just try to get them before they start flowering or they will take forever to revert back to veg. I made a mistake and took clones while they started to flower and they rooted quick but took like a month to get going again. They just stayed the same size for a month and then bang they started growing. I'd say in the first week of 12/12 would be a good time. This way the bottom branches will stretch alittle and be big enough for clones.

 

[ballast]

being 5 days into flower now guess i'll clone some other grow when better prepared, and just try a reveg here if anything turns out worth keeping. there are some nice lower branches not getting much light that might get chopped anyway, so if i happen to pick up another light and some rooting stuff before they start flowering then well maybe. seems quite a hot topic cloning from 12/12; can anyone point me to threads delving more into the hormonal change thing?

still amazed this one girl showed pistils only 3 days into flower, and she has several now, yet the other plants show no preflowers yet. one plant zoomed into a freaken tree, had to tie it down already, probly gonna be a male huh. crazy bagseed.

much thanks for all the advice, you guys rock!

 

[Guest]

This topic kills me, it's a no no to take cuttings from a flowering plant but it's OK to reveg a plant after it's gone all the way to harvest? Taking a clone from a flowering plant does no damage whatsoever to the future of that clone, it does not genetically degrade or permenantly harm the clone or future generations from the clone. You can't change the genetics of a plant by manipulating light cycles.

As long as you let the cuttings reveg completely all will be fine and the clone will mirror the donor plant.

 

[ballast]

i dont know just stuck a cutting in plain water got roots in a few days easy then thriving in a shaving cream lid under 5 watts but not for long bad pheno bagseed is hell i'm done with this

 

[Guest]

taking a cutting from a flowering plant is fine. i wasn't brave enough on my first grow to try cloning until maybe the 3rd week of flowering. it took about two weeks to root and had some funky growth at the onset, but everything straightened out on the "flowered" clone and it became a mother plant.

i've also revegged and that looks funky too, but it shows normal growth after a while.