bagseeds newbie grow attempt

[W333d]

everyome!
This will be my second project
First one was about 11years ago(shared it here back than also lol)
These seedlings are about a week old except two of them the bigger ones are about 2 weeks old.
I had no idea so many will germenate so this happend
Started them on some cfl's while i was building this 2x2x4 setup..still working on it...temps and humidity are a bit off and i am having some troubles keeping everything balanced and steady
Also havnt figured out the lights completly...
I have here a 130 actual watts vt300 model wich i regret buying because i have seen a lot of people saying its not great for flowering
Also i have a lot of cfl's laying atound that i keep taking in and out of the tent..not sure about them..also have 2 cheap cob led fixtures 50w each i think and i am not sure if they are good lights and worth the troubles
If some one has time to take a quick look at them and help me figure it out ..i habe dome some research about leds but still it is so confusing...from what i understand they are 4000k and can be used for full ciycle but mostly veg...

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/323833955692

Any ways
The current light is 67cm from the plants and turned only about 50% on
It arrived just a few days ago and i had the plants under only about 60w cfl's before and i am afraid they will burn (new at this)

I am Growing them in a perlite vermiculite humus coco mixture soil witch is lightly fertilated i think and is sold by local hydroshop...
Gonna try to grow in it with biobuzz ferts and some homemade organic fert when needed

I hope ill manage to grow some decent stuff not expecting miracles..i would love to get some help if someone can trough some tips for this grow to succeed it will be awesome
Also some of the plants are wierd looking
Trying to figure it out
Maybe the cold temps? Low humidity?
Here's a bunch of pics
the flowering one is a plant my mom grew by the window

 

[W333d]

Still hangin on

Still hangin on

How are they looking?

Tommorow ill start the first feed i think
Gonna use biobizz biogrow 1ml for liter
Moved my moms window raised plant in their too
Gave her biobloom feed (she have never had any feeding and she is tiny but abiut to finish)

 

[Deke]

Plants look fine. As far as the soil goes never use soil with nutes added in it, and never listen to the guy at the hydro shop!! Come here for info. Be careful with your nutes, I'd use 1/4 strength to start and adjust.
As far as your lights go, nothing wrong with your light at all. Many grow with vipar lights and do well. Based on your grow area size you're shooting for 50w per sq ft. So 200w total in your tent. At 135w, the true watts of that light your want to add the two COB's bringing your watts right up to optimum. I'm actually looking at those lights to supplement my COB's. For the money they are a great deal IMO. Just watch your light height, look at the manuf recommendation and use that as a base line. Remember just because you don't think the lights are hot to you, that doesn't mean they aren't too hot to them.
Sounds like you have a good set up.
Remember when you want.to do something, don't. Less is more, and relax and enjoy the process. Whatever you can't figure out, people on here usually can with some good lights off pics and descriptions. Good luck!

 

[W333d]

That is really halpfull
Thank you for taking time to read this post and commenti have delayed the first feeding for today hoping someone will see this post and tall me if its the right thing
Gonna feed today 1/4 ml for liter (biobizz biogrow) as the reccomended dosage is 2-4 ml for liter
Have a great day

 

[W333d]

Btw i was wrong this soil has no ferts in it according to the shop
Only has perelite vermiculite humus and coco and they say you should feed with it
So i guess its called a light mix or coco mix

 

[CrossBones]

I wouldn't feed just yet, they burn easily still at this point.. but that's me. I use the Viperspectra V300 and R300 and they do fine in small tents.. I think you'll be alright with the light you have in a 2x2 tent.. Use it you own it - then adapt as you learn.. Plenty of things to throw your coins at.. That's a lot of plants for that size tent to flower in unless your planning a separate flower space or switch the light when there still small.. remember they will stretch 2 to 3 times size after flip depending on strain.. Also, your humidity is still low try to get it up to 50% -- I use auto set humidifiers right in the tent so I am only keeping a small amount of air wet.. saves on having to fill the thing up constantly.. plant environment mastery will come with experiencing grows.. I aim my fan straight up to circulate the lights heat down in winter here, your temp looks fine... that bigger plant looks like it started flowering a bit and may take some time to re-veg under the longer light cycle but it will come around.. other wise all looks fine. enjoy your grow and welcome to Icmag,, and for reading my ramblings - later...

 

[W333d]

I wouldn't feed just yet, they burn easily still at this point.. but that's me. I use the Viperspectra V300 and R300 and they do fine in small tents.. I think you'll be alright with the light you have in a 2x2 tent.. Use it you own it - then adapt as you learn.. Plenty of things to throw your coins at.. That's a lot of plants for that size tent to flower in unless your planning a separate flower space or switch the light when there still small.. remember they will stretch 2 to 3 times size after flip depending on strain.. Also, your humidity is still low try to get it up to 50% -- I use auto set humidifiers right in the tent so I am only keeping a small amount of air wet.. saves on having to fill the thing up constantly.. plant environment mastery will come with experiencing grows.. I aim my fan straight up to circulate the lights heat down in winter here, your temp looks fine... that bigger plant looks like it started flowering a bit and may take some time to re-veg under the longer light cycle but it will come around.. other wise all looks fine. enjoy your grow and welcome to Icmag,, and for reading my ramblings - later...

Good tip on runing the fan on my lights
It could help me bring my temps down i will try it!
I tried to put the humidifier inside got bad results somehow, now i have managed to bring humidity up to 47 with some wet towles and humidifier outside the tent
Will keep exploring for the best results though
The tiny flowering plant is in the tent only for a few hours a day i put her in their when i can and when she needs light
When its her sleep time she is out of their
I think she is about to finish flowering she is a tiny one

 

[W333d]

I wouldn't feed just yet, they burn easily still at this point.. but that's me. I use the Viperspectra V300 and R300 and they do fine in small tents.. I think you'll be alright with the light you have in a 2x2 tent.. Use it you own it - then adapt as you learn.. Plenty of things to throw your coins at.. That's a lot of plants for that size tent to flower in unless your planning a separate flower space or switch the light when there still small.. remember they will stretch 2 to 3 times size after flip depending on strain.. Also, your humidity is still low try to get it up to 50% -- I use auto set humidifiers right in the tent so I am only keeping a small amount of air wet.. saves on having to fill the thing up constantly.. plant environment mastery will come with experiencing grows.. I aim my fan straight up to circulate the lights heat down in winter here, your temp looks fine... that bigger plant looks like it started flowering a bit and may take some time to re-veg under the longer light cycle but it will come around.. other wise all looks fine. enjoy your grow and welcome to Icmag,, and for reading my ramblings - later...

Sorry for double messeges i cannot edit my posts
I think i get bad results with the humidifier inside the tent because of my exahust fan it is too strong
I managed to rewire it for lower speed now but its not enough...i am waiting on a speed controller to arrive and than maybe i can controll better
But its gonna take time to arrive

 

[CrossBones]

with the led lights i just use a Honeywell HT-900 with the leg stand removed stuck in the top hole of 2x4 tent and use a Heat controller to turn it on/off at set temp at canopy level for heat extraction .. Many of those controller things to choose from but will work with your extraction set up, no need to run it all the time with leds.. open vent on opposite side bottom tent for pull thru.. and experiment with other openings.. i use an separate external carbon scrub filter outside the tent to catch odors - also on a timer. 20 minutes on every hour lights off and constant with lights on.. your individual location and environment will dictate your setup..

Heat controller example - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Century-Digital-Cooling-Thermostat-temperature-Controller-for-Cooling-Device/222539946322?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Edit - Might try moving the inlet hose to extraction fan to top of tent where heat collects, looks like it is half way down in pic.. Everyone here will get you dialed in, in no time

 

[W333d]

with the led lights i just use a Honeywell HT-900 with the leg stand removed stuck in the top hole of 2x4 tent and use a Heat controller to turn it on/off at set temp at canopy level for heat extraction .. Many of those controller things to choose from but will work with your extraction set up, no need to run it all the time with leds.. open vent on opposite side bottom tent for pull thru.. and experiment with other openings.. i use an separate external carbon scrub filter outside the tent to catch odors - also on a timer. 20 minutes on every hour lights off and constant with lights on.. your individual location and environment will dictate your setup..

Heat controller example - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Century-Digital-Cooling-Thermostat-temperature-Controller-for-Cooling-Device/222539946322?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Edit - Might try moving the inlet hose to extraction fan to top of tent where heat collects, looks like it is half way down in pic.. Everyone here will get you dialed in, in no time

About the ht-900 that would have been a simpler and cheaper extraction fan
Would have used somthing like this if we didnt have such harsh summers here...need to be prepared with a strong ass fan
About the heat controller i did not think about it that is an amazing solution
Maybe i will set up one of those instead of speed controller? Can i set it up so it will run my blower when its over 27c and stop when its 26?
If so i will try to find one with an eu plug
About the hose of the blower yeah you right i should just take it off i put it their to see how it works with the carbon filter i have
I will take it off and let the blower suck the air directly from the top with no hose what do you think?
I also need to use some black tape to cover the hose that is runing from the blower to the extraction hole because this hose is not light proof...tent is almost 100% light proof for flowering time...worked hatd in that amd only this hose is letting some light in/out.
At the bottum of the tent i have x2 6" passive intakes covered with lightproof filters so i think its letting a good amount of air from the buttom

 

[W333d]

I also found that i have to turn on a small heater in the room from 12:00 to 18:00 when the lights of
Or else it gets 19-20c and thats bad right?

 

[CrossBones]

Yes, the example heat controller will turn on fan 2 degrees F higher than set temp and off at set temp.. I would look into one with EU plug if it were me. They're cheap enough. maybe return speed controller or temp controller after testing each.. Can you just hang the hose up at the top, heat rises.. When I ran HPS I always ran the filter up top with hose out to extractor fan outside tent.. 19-20C is about what i keep mine at lights off, a bit higher would be nice, but heating in winter costs coins.

 

[W333d]

Yes, the example heat controller will turn on fan 2 degrees F higher than set temp and off at set temp.. I would look into one with EU plug if it were me. They're cheap enough. maybe return speed controller or temp controller after testing each.. Can you just hang the hose up at the top, heat rises.. When I ran HPS I always ran the filter up top with hose out to extractor fan outside tent.. 19-20C is about what i keep mine at lights off, a bit higher would be nice, but heating in winter costs coins.

Starting to get new ideas and a more clear picture already
So glad i came here
Found a heat controller that i think will work great
Can also attach another device to it

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F391646407157

 

[CrossBones]

Posted link above is broken.. Just make sure it's for cooling, they also make one for heating mats ect..

 

[W333d]

Update

Update

Yesterday i fed 0.5ml biogrow and 0.5ml alcamic
In 1 liter
Wich only added up to about 200ml of actial feeding(little guys)

Some are looking good others less *
Ive put a small heating pad below them and it seems to do a good job
Its a very small 5w piece and its on all time at the moment...it dosent have a strong impact but i think that during lights out it keeps them a little warm...
Humidity and temp ot ok because i am able to tend to them every day,however i am still planing a more automated system...wating for some equipment to arrive gonna try out different settings hoping to find one that will work in my case
Waiting to hear tour thoughts on all of this
Any tips are welcome!
Btw not monitoring ph
Thought maybe i could so without
Currently leaving tap water for 24h before giving them
You think thats enough? Or just go buy the ph sh*t?
Kinda thought it would be easier at the beggining lol
Forgot how its like setting up a thing like this a specialy when youre not living alone
But i think its worth it

 

[W333d]

Pics

Pics

More pics

 

[Bsinger]

Looks great thus far.

 

[W333d]

Hi...questions?

Hi...questions?

Hi everyone
Can i ask somthing
The droopy leave ones are still the same...what do you think can cause this? Possible genetics? Because i have checked the conditions...all seems fine except ph level that i dont monitor
And about the bigger ones should i transplant now to bigger pots?

 

[W333d]

I wouldn't feed just yet, they burn easily still at this point.. but that's me. I use the Viperspectra V300 and R300 and they do fine in small tents.. I think you'll be alright with the light you have in a 2x2 tent.. Use it you own it - then adapt as you learn.. Plenty of things to throw your coins at.. That's a lot of plants for that size tent to flower in unless your planning a separate flower space or switch the light when there still small.. remember they will stretch 2 to 3 times size after flip depending on strain.. Also, your humidity is still low try to get it up to 50% -- I use auto set humidifiers right in the tent so I am only keeping a small amount of air wet.. saves on having to fill the thing up constantly.. plant environment mastery will come with experiencing grows.. I aim my fan straight up to circulate the lights heat down in winter here, your temp looks fine... that bigger plant looks like it started flowering a bit and may take some time to re-veg under the longer light cycle but it will come around.. other wise all looks fine. enjoy your grow and welcome to Icmag,, and for reading my ramblings - later...

That fan tip really helped temps during light now are stable 25.5c and its perfect thanks

 

[CrossBones]

Glad to hear your getting it dialed in.. Not sure I would be running the extra bulbs down low myself with that led up top on, not needed in my opinion.. I would wait a bit to transplant the bigger ones, but a general rule of thumb I follow loosely is that when the leaves are spreading out bigger than the pot size it's about time to up size.. no rush at this point, there def. not root bound yet.. I like to do em all at the same time if possible.. The droopy ones, could be many things going on, soil too wet?? Looking like you'll have a nice grow anyway..