Bagseed...Decent Weed w/o a Name or Just Crappy Weed?

[Guest]

I am always a little confused about the term "bagseed". I understand that they are the nameless seeds from one's purchased bag of weed, but the term is usually used in a negative context. Until my current grow, all I have grown in the past 30+ yrs has been "bagseed", and most of it has been pretty damn good! It makes me wonder if the "named" varieties in my current grow are all going to be in a totally different league than what I'm used to smoking. That would be great! We shall see... I have some "bagseed" plants growing right along side of some "kind" plants.

Usually when I get cheap, weak, moldy or ammonia smelling weed, I figure it is that way because it's old or packed and stored improperly (ie nasty "brick" weed). It doesn't make sense that the people who grew this weed for commercial purposes actually sought out bad quality seeds to produce weed that they could sell cheap. I live in the US, and most of the time I have purchased weed (good or bad), it was not identified as a particular strain. You look at it, smell it, maybe even smoke some of it... and buy it, or not. Oh sure, there are sometimes marketing terms such as "killer bud" or "trip weed" used to command a better price, but that's just sales. I have grown plants from seeds of really shitty weed (because they were the only ones I had), and they usually produced pretty decent smoke.

Obviously, there are varying levels of quality in both "bagseed" and "kind" weed, and if if the smoke you buy is accurately "named", you will know more of what to expect from the type and intensity of the buzz. Whenever I got a bag of what I considered some exceptional weed (and was lucky enough to find a few seeds in it), I always set those aside for my next grow. Yes, those seeds produced plants that might be better than the ones from the cheap "old n moldy" buds, but not always.

When I finally mustered the courage to order seeds through the mail, I really shopped around for what I considered the safest, most trustworthy, and most reasonably priced seeds (I bought from Seedsdirect btw :wink. Every place I looked had things like "outdoor mix", "indoor mix", "indoor/outdoor mix", "deluxe mix", "magical mystery mix" (well at least that one's free ), etc. The questions that always came to mind were "Isn't that just somebody else's "bagseed"?" and "What's the difference between them and the seeds I saved from my last good bag?".

Since man first inhabited this planet, he has had the need to identify, classify, catagorize, and label everything in his environment... and I believe that is a good thing! Today's conscientious marijuana breeders and seedbanks have improved the quality of pot for us all, and that is a good thing too . Remember though... just because your weed doesn't have a "name", doesn't mean it isn't good. Just food for thought. MG

 

[Guest]

Well I guess im gonna have to change my signature name
cuz your truly are the king of shwagseed. I have not been growing for nowhere near
30 yrs. But i have grown plenty of "bagseed" aka shwagseed. from the old & moldy.
to the decent lime green stuff. So i saved the seeds that were not flat & smashed up to try & grow them still brickweed. flat compressed, As i cannot afford the kind bud. So i have to settle for the old & moldy. currently not growing. But i will in about 3 weeks i hope. cross my fingers. Anyway im high on shwag so ill shaddup peace

sack

 

[Guest]

The reason it's called bag weed is generally its from 'a bag o'weed' that someone bought, liked, and decided to keep seeds. Then if they are lucky it will be indoor friendly. However, most of the time, if there are seeds, it was outdoors, poorly grown/stressed, or will hermie on you again as well. That is the problem most people refer to in a negative context is the hermie part. You now have even more chance of getting the volatile traits of throwing male flowers because you have 'selected' seeds from such strains. Not intending to get seeds, I Know, but all the same, this is why.

 

[Phriendly-Vato]

I have grown many a bag seed plant and have had zero luck getting anything near the quality of a BOG Bubble or even Nirvana Bubblegum or SK#1. You should be pleased with the results of your current grow.

 

[Guest]

a seed will grow no better pot than it comes from /

I have grown bag-seed out of some very good mex (skunk-hockey-puck) & it turned out nicly in a senci. but not world class

 

[tokinjoe]

I too have had mixed results with bagseed. I do remember one year in particular when I grew some bagseed. I had one plant hidden out in the backyard at my Pop's house. It was the year hurricane Hugo came through. The plant made it ok, only one branch broken. I dried the broken branch and one afternoon decided to try it out. I'll never forget, I was going to an archery tournament and decided I'd take a quick hit to see what I had. I took one hit, coughed and gagged, grabbed my archery gear and off I went. I got 4 miles down the road and was so fucked up off the one hit I had to go right back home. A stoner friend of mine at work, after hearing my story the following day, followed me home to try some of my killer bagseed grow. After the 5th hit he had enough and went home. He called me when he go there to tell me of how paraniod he was going home. He then took a nap to sleep it off. Happened only once but you never know what kind of seed yer bag-o-schwag may hold. Thankfully with SD I no longer have to cross me fingers every time I grow. Peace.

 

[Guest]

Lol @ Sackoweed... King of shwag...not a title I am proud of. Maybe after I harvest and smoke the PPP, Magic Bud, and Kush x Kryptomania in my current grow, I can abdicate the throne! Hope you get some outstanding weed in your upcoming grow.

I have to agree about the hermie thing too chodo...have had a few in my time.

Phriendly-Vato, that is what I was hoping to hear from someone on this thread. Our perception of what is outstanding weed is relative to our experiences, and maybe I just don't know what I've been missing! Got some Bogglegum seeds for next grow.

Hey TokinJoe...good story! Out of a couple hundred outdoor ladies over the years, I have probably only had 2 or 3 outstanding plants. I had one 3 yrs ago that had pink pistils, and fist-size purple buds at harvest. It was some real choker...even after cure, but I couldn't get off the couch after smoking it! Most of the other plants were decent, but as I said before, this perception is relative.

I live waaaaay out in the boonies (heck, it's a mile to my mailbox lol), and weed availability is practically nonexistant.... most people around here are just into cheap beer, lottery tickets, and how to scam welfare. Mostly good hearted folks though. I am sad that I don't have any growing-buddies around to exchange buds, tips, and seeds with. You folks @ IC are surely the next best thing... thank you! MG

 

[CalcioErba2004]

All my grows have been bagseed grows(i just recently started growing chosen genetics). I have 4 flowering right now and they have been in there about 5 weeks. I will try and get pics today and post them...been meaning to for a while now...

 

[Harry Gypsna]

a seed will grow no better pot than it comes from /

Capt crips superfruit came from ""Bagseed"" maybe a good bag, but bagseed all the same. The whole bagseed hating i reckion started when people started making money on beANS, ""hEY, THEYRE NOT GONNA BUY SEEDS IF SOMETIMES THEY CAN GET GOOD ONES OUTTA THERE SMOKE((ADMITTEDLY NOT MOST OF THE TIME, BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE GOOD))sorry for the caps, too lazy to re-type, anyway in the not-too-distant past, either you went travelling the world for seeds, or you grew what you piacked out of ur smoke, there were no seedbanks, and therfore no such thing as bagseeds, just seeds. Of course some seeds from a bag will be shit, but not all, and not always the result of stress, is it difficult to get accidentally pollinated, no its not. I remember when i was a kid starting to toke, and id get seeds in ma weed n talk about growing em, and the older lads who supplied the weed would be saying oooh, no u cant, the people who makle the weed makle it so the seeds wont work/..... bul of course, but it just shows that a bit of ignorance, a bit of mis-information, and enough people just listening to what they are told, and not finding out for themselves, can set up a very deep rooted..predjudice against seeds that didnt cost money and were bestowed upon us BY nature.

 

[halfbaked]

I have to admit that I've grown bagseed as well. I't's been a while but The last time the seeds were from a good bag of weed and my plants turned out better than the original. I think it had alot to do with my growin them longer before harvest and the cure and all. But all in all it was damn good pot.
I do enjoy growin the named varieties. It's usually easier.

 

[Guest]

US Bagseed History (as perceived by me)

US Bagseed History (as perceived by me)

Well said Harry. Back in 60s, most of the weed available (in the US anyway) was from large outdoor grows in Mexico and Central/South America. The grower's main objective was to produce maximum weight w/ minimal effort. Quality was a secondary consideration, so males were not usually culled resulting in totally random pollination and a heavily seeded product (seeds=more weight). Sensimilla was a rarity. Pot was much harder to come by in those days, and anything that made it across the border (regardless of quality) was immediately snatched up. Since selective breeding was practically unheard of in marijuana production (except w/ some of the wiser, smaller growers), the gene pool was highly diluted w/ unfavorable genetic traits (ie hermies, low yield, low potency etc). The chance of getting a decent plant from those seeds (and you had plenty to choose from) was probably 100 to 1 at best. Because of this, "homegrown" was about the greatest insult one could bestow upon a bag of weed in those days. Thus, the bad reputation of "bagseed"...and as we well know, reputations are slow to change. Oh there was some outstanding weed around if you were lucky enough to get your hands on some...and were willing to pay the outrageous price of $40 or so for a lid (ounce). The now legendary strains like "Acapulco Gold", "Columbian Redbud", "Michoacan" (sp?), "Panama Red", "Thai Stick", and others became well known names among the rapidly growing culture of pot smokers in the late 60s.... creating the first real demand for "kind bud". Enter American capitalism... for the first time, good weed was being grown commercially in the US. Names like "Skunk", "California Orange", "Humbolt", "Gainesville Green" and "Maui Wowie" joined the marijuana "hall of fame". Many of today's superb strains were developed from these "old school" genetics. Today's pot consumer generally expects better quality in his or her "bag"...oh there's still crappy weed out there, but at least you generally get all bud. "Shake" (leaf included with the bud in the bag) is nonexistent today, at least in my personal observations. Hard work and dedication from breeders like BOG, Rezdog, and Reeferman (just to name a few), have raised the standards of the now worldwide pot market. It only stands to reason, that with a higher percentage of good genetics, more competition, and higher consumer expectations... that "bagseed" has evolved as well. Now you might get 1 really good plant out of 20 "bagseeds". All I know is... of all the "bagseed" females I have grown... I have never thrown one away because she was not worth smoking. :wink: But that's just me! MG

 

[Guest]

Hi Halfbaked...that is one major advantage of "kind" seed over "bagseed"...it is MUCH more predictable, making it easier to grow (usually). That alone is a good reason to purchase some known strain's seeds.

MG

 

[halfbaked]

Absolutely, even germination rates are better with the known strains. Although back in the 70's, I was in the Army and we would throw our seeds out the window. There were always plants growing around the barracks.

 

[Guest]

Whenever I got a bag of what I considered some exceptional weed (and was lucky enough to find a few seeds in it), I always set those aside for my next grow. Yes, those seeds produced plants that might be better than the ones from the cheap "old n moldy" buds, but not always.

I think the chances are better than might if it came from good weed, its gonna be a female, male or a hermi. My first grow was seeds i lost 10 years back, turned out to be a nice grow with only two males of 12 seeds but luck must have been on my side(check my gallery, all seedbag)..No guessing next time however, it should be a better experience

ick

 

[Guest]

Hi Icky... I looked at your gallery and wow.... that bagseed must've come from some great bags! Looks as good as most of the "kind" pics on here. Nice work!!!

 

[Guest]

Hi Icky... I looked at your gallery and wow.... that bagseed must've come from some great bags! Looks as good as most of the "kind" pics on here. Nice work!!!

Yea, I only saved seeds back then that came from something special, been smoking it for a few weeks and I must say its killr.

 

[Guest]

I just got 2 hermies from Sensi Seeds' "Outdoor Mix", so go figure! MG

 

[Guest]

Well, The bagseed i have had the pleasure of always growing..
I must say i have been pretty lucky, ohh let me tell you been alot of males. hermies,
as well. But when a female popped and grew she grew. Not the kindest weed. But none the less it was better then what i got it from. Couldnt afford the good weed then and cant now. seeds as well id like to be able to afford bog and the other breeders here. But i cant. so ill keep on truckin heh. now that im crying over here waaaagh~~!!! peace out

sack

 

[Guest]

I believe bagseed grown at home will always be better than the bag you got the seed out of. First of all, you will almost certainly care for the plant better than a commercial grower, unless you score from one directly and know the situation. Second, there will be no storage and multiple breakdowns of a large amount as it goes through smaler and smaller dealers. This means lesss packaging and tansportation and handling by people, keeping your trichomes intact and on the plants. Third, you will dry and cure it properly, no haste, no direct sunlight for drying, properly hung, cut and stored etc. Again, more trichomes for you. Lastly, you will appreciate the hell out it as you imbibe your own creation. This is worth at least 10% on the buzz-o-meter.

later

Cap

 

[Dr.Suess]

Bumping a 11year old thread to say there isn't many bagseed grows on icmag.

I have some bagseed on the grow currently, no Hermie's or male flowers spotted yet, so far so good.