badly wilting outdoors plant

[NPK]

Hey sproutco, that's actually a relief to know that this won't necessarily spread to the rest of my garden. I should be grateful this has (so far) been limited to the one plant.

I looked at her roots when I got home and they actually looked OK...kinda straw-colored and not slimy. Also, the soil at the base wasn't saturated, so it would appear I didn't overwater. I didn't see any unusual pests. Still, she's failing. I don't think she's coming back.

I guess it really is all part of the larger cycle, and if nothing else, you learn something from it. School of green knocks or some such. At least the rest of the garden is still healthy.

 

[Tunefull]

Hello NPK
No info to help u i am afraid*smiles*

I remember you have a thread in the "Outdoor"Section

You happy with them now behind the screen?
I have a screen like that (Very easy to put up)
I know security was a issue for you in your other thread,Have u thought of training some plants to grow up along the front of the screen?
I was also thinking i may double up my screen(put another layer ontop of the previous one(not sure yet tho if i will)


Anyway just popped in to say hello!!!!

 

[NPK]

Hiya tune! Yup, a few months back I put up a simple reed screen to protect the garden, and so far, so good. Hope your plants are doing well.

 

[glock23]

So what happened with the plant?

 

[NPK]

Hey man, been meaning to update; thanks for the reminder.

Now there's a big hole where the (now dead) plant was. As it failed to improve, I finally got up the nerve to really dig in there and see what was up with the roots. I had the same deal you did--basically, hardly any root system at all! I was shocked because the stalk was so thick.

The rest of the garden is looking good--better, actually, because I've been doing a lot of trimming and training. And a few of the plants have started flowering. I do get a little nervous now when a plant's leaves show even the slightest sign of wilting, though. I'll feel lucky if I just end up losing the one plant.

 

[trybud]

im gonna lose a total of 4 nice sized plants to this rot. i dont think i overwatered cuz i dug 2 out of their laundry tubs to check them out and it wasn't too bad as far as standing moisture (i think it has more to do with moisture in the pots with 115 degree temps outside)....i placed the plants in an unused pond liner and blasted them w/ water to wash away all the soil and decomposed roots and replanted in a fresh mix of 50/50 soil/perlite.i also watered w/ a solution of 4 tbs H2O2 to 5 gal. water...one plant isn't degrading as fast as it was even after transplant but still droopy...might have to start a group of smaller clones to make up for my loss......

 

[NPK]

try, that blows. I hope you're able to rescue at least some of 'em.

Check out the paltry remainder of my dead girl's root system:

 

[MynameStitch]

looks like you had fusirum root rot

really nothing you could have done about that

its in the soil itself and stays ther for years and affects alot of cannabis, but fusarium root rot affects other plants


your lucky you didnt have fuairum wilt or all your plants woulda been affected by this and your plants would rot from the inside out

 

[NPK]

Well, another one of my plants appears to be biting the dust. Take a look at the one on the far left:

Now I'm totally freaked that it's going to hit more in addition to this one. I'll seriously puke if it gets the one on the right...she's my biggest girl and I've put a lot of recent effort into trimming and training her.

FUCK!!

 

[sproutco]

I've put a lot of recent effort into trimming

Thats a source of wounds on the plant for disease to enter. Spraying with a fungicide after trimming plants is wise. 1 tablespoon baking soda per gallon of water as a spray may be a good fungicide to try because it is safe. Other non systemic fungicides like daconil may prove more effective. You may also want to sterilize your pruners with maybe alcohol. Did you prune the plants prior to them getting the "wilt"? You may want to drench the soil also with fungicide. I use about 1 1/4 teaspoon 50% captan + 1/4 teaspoon 75% pcnb/terrachlor per gallon of water. 70's pothead adds 2 teaspoons 3 % hydrogen peroxide from the drugstore per gallon of water when watering soil. Sorry about the losses.

 

[NPK]

Hey stitch, thanks for that link.

One recommendation therein is to immediately remove affected plants from the garden, so I did that. Again, virtually no root system for such a large plant, which was about five feet tall. Check it out:

Here's some perspective:

A look at the stalk, cut just above the root ball

sproutco, the wilt did occur after the trimming. Not immediately after, but maybe seven to ten days later. I do clean my super-sharp trimmers with alcohol, but not my pruners...time to do that. Also, where can I find those fungicide ingredients?

Thanks guys, you've been real helpful.

 

[sproutco]

I have pruned a shrub and gone back some days later to find it completely wilted to death. That is a source of disease to enter.

I get my chemicals here: http://southernag.com/index.htm They are pretty cheap and fast shipping. They will sell individual bottles/bags so you might have to call them. Tell them you have root rot on your veggies. You can send an email to save phone charges. I don't think they have a toll free number.

There is really no telling if that is fusarium causing the root rot. You would have to look at the root under the microscope and find mycelium or conidia of the fungus. It could be verticillium, rhizoctonia, pythium, etc...That is why I use a blend of two fungicides to broaden the spectrum of protection. Captan is broad spectum(really old fashioned and weak) and pcnb/terrachlor is specific to mainly rhizoctonia. You want find the rates I gave you on the labels because I found them on a Rutgers university website. There are other fungicides than the ones I listed that work better. The two fungicides I use are cheap. If you get newer fungicides be prepared for sticker shock. You want non systemic and/or labeled for vegies. Keep in mind that most fungicides work either on pythium/phytophthora(water molds) or everything else.

I might try the watering with hydrogen peroxide everytime till you can come up with something better.

Is your water chloronated? I use well water and I am sure it has funk in it.

Plant diseases are a complex subject. I suggest a trip to the local library and get a basic book on plant pathology. One author to look for is George Agrios.

 

[MynameStitch]

yup see the black stuff thats it
and yes sprout is right it entered through the pruning from you! you killed them! lol

its ok everyone makes mistakes

it has to be a pathogen that got into the plant and was killing off the root system

the plant should have way more roots than that and the grower and you sprout know that

not to mention he cut it open and see the problem right there.....
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N

its either that or fusairum wiltm but the pics are so far away i couldnt see the plant itself, but generally fusairum wilt causes yellowing and wilting and can brown them too

wither way its a pathogen that caused this problem

 

[sproutco]

the plant should have way more roots than that and the grower and you sprout know that

Because the roots were wrotten I think the disease is in the soil and probably had not entered through the wounds from pruning.