Badly need advices on my problem.

[DreamMaster]

I kinda find it strange that i have to feed em while other don't even tho we use the same soil but i will try and feed em, don't worry

About the water... have tried different water such as rainwater, tap water and lake water but i have not tried bottle water, i might try that as well

I will not try ll the things at ones, i will try them in turns.
Thanks for the tips but i really want more tips if there is any

My last grow was all done on destilled water.
Now i'm using tap water, leaving it rest for at least 5 days, in uncapped bottle, and i found they love the destilled water much more cause they went much bigger with the same setup, same everything, only difference is the water.

Hope you'll get around and solve your prob.

Peace m8

 

[Guest]

Once the phone rang while I was mixing soil. I forgot and packed it into pots without proper mixing. SOG really doesn't work with 20 dissimilar plants. I had to trash the grow and start over. We have all maKe mistakes and hope we live to make more.

 

[MynameStitch]

I kinda find it strange that i have to feed em while other don't even tho we use the same soil but i will try and feed em, don't worry

About the water... have tried different water such as rainwater, tap water and lake water but i have not tried bottle water, i might try that as well

I will not try ll the things at ones, i will try them in turns.
Thanks for the tips but i really want more tips if there is any

Dude; everyone here! I mean everyone here has given you tips and advice and even answers to your problems! That is very rare around here that everyone in the thread has given help.

If you do not want to take my advice take the others; because you will find out it's everything WE all have said that was wrong; you seem to be very stubborn; no offense; I can tell with the way you type out your feelings on the matter...... if you want to grow you are going to have to give up some of that stubborn ness and LEARN.

I have a 9 year old son who is so damn stubborn we take about anything away from him and he will still do it. So tell me I live with it everyday and I can see it very quickly
so again if you do not want to take anyones advice what you have been given...... then you have wasted everyones time here when we all could have helped someone who wanted to take the help.

Not reeming you but it's frustrating because you seem to want more advice and the advice you want you are NOT going to get,because in your mind you seem to think what you are doing is not wrong and when you think this way you will never learn from your mistakes.

 

[10k]

This whole scenario of consistantly failed seedlings sounds and looks very much like it may simply be overwatering. Trying to "help" the plants way too often.

Btw...Soil needs to have good drainage, adding alot of vermiculite to perlite often ends up defeating the purpose of the perlite.

Please click the "lift the pots" link in my signature.

 

[stinkfinger]

Your water could be what causing all of your plant problems.Sounds like you have a good foundation in regards to growing..But 200+ wasted seeds? 9 different soil mixes? Does not sound like nutrient deficientcy issue to me...

 

[dvine]

10k. The lift the pot method is the method i use for determent when to water the plants (as well feel the soil). In the past i have been slightly over watering the plants that i can admit but not any more. I have tried to use vermiculite but i don't do any more because it made the soil stay to wet to long for the small plants (maybe better at later stages i believe ?). I have really study they ways the plants act at different moist levels of the soil and therefor feel that i have enoght knowledge about the moist level the soil should have to provide the plants with water/nutrients at the best possible way. I thank you greatly for the link and tips you provided me, much appreciated.

stinkfinger. Yes I also think it might have something thing to do with it BUT i can't believe it because I have used the same tap water as i did before when i did grow these seeds with good results. Back then i bought a bag of soil, some floro tubes and started to grow it without problems and finished with awesome results.
Not only the 9 different soil mixes, i have also try to add nutrients that the plants seams to miss such as bone meal, blood meal and dolomit lime(think its called this in english) but nothing have helped, not even started to help.

MynameStitch. I'm not stubborn, oh well i guess I am in the terms that i will never give up until i get these plants to grow as they should but not as in "not open minded". I have read that you want me to try and give them more nutrients but I'm not sure if you did not read the part where i sad "i will try and feed em, don't worry ". If you missed it then i sad now again that thats what i will try as soon as i get the chance. My seeds is still germinating so i can't just go go go and try it I have rater big space to have allot of different test subjects so therefore am asking for other things to test as well at the same time as i test the different nutrients strengths. I'm, really open minded for more ideas what can be wrong so that i can test it out. Its not like I'm just testing it on 2-3 seeds, i test it on 15-20 seeds I hope you understand that I'm not ignorant, rater that I'm REALLY open minded because I myself am out if ideas

I have pictures to compare with from the past growings and if the current seeds match up with there growth then there is something strange and as long as there is something strange i will try to find it out and asking you nice ppl for help
I thank you so much for all the tips you have given me and all will be tested and if you have more ideas please let me know so i can test that as well.

 

[MynameStitch]

Well see everyone here is talking in terms of past and present tense and some future..... so you have told us about past grows as well which makes it more confusing on your tips.... so since you did not keep a grow journal every time you grew it's hard to say which issue you were having with each soil and seeds......

 

[dvine]

I have been using the same seeds the whole time.
I have taken some pictures of the soils i have been using and a picture of me using perlite. The growspace in the pictures not twise as large but the setup is about the same.

Keep in mind that i have tried to add bonemeal or/and bloodmeal or/and dolomitlime in these soils.

Edit, here is a picture taken yesterday of the current test.
The pots with 4-5 plants in it is used simply to test 3 different soils and there ability to contain humidity in the soil. I used several plants to get a more accurate result of what level they felt the best in.
In the small pots there is about 2 of each soil in and all of them have seeds germinated from the "dishwasher towel" method

I have room for more tests so I'm gonna test more ^_^
In the shelf where the water bottle thing is there is 2 florotubes that I'm planing to use for seeds and sticklings when i get to that stage...

 

[10k]

Does the soil in those little planters feel cool to the touch ?
evaporative cooling effect on the soil from that lil fan perhaps

 

[dvine]

The soil have about the same temp as my normal house plants so i can say it feels "good"

 

[dvine]

I have now tried to switch the entire setup to something completly different. A pvc container with Compact florecent lights. I tried to grow it and soemt things so its not the spca im growing in. I have now orderd a reverse osmos machine to be sure its not my water in any way. I have also tried to keep the moist lvl at a realy nice, fluffy and good lvl. Before i have time to water my plants for the first time, they show weakness signs. The sign they show is that they get yellow at the veins nad just grow slowly.

Something has to be wrong if they show bad sign before i even get to the point where i got to water them for the first time

Ok so lets rethink what can be couseing the problem in so short time.
First i use normal tapwater to germinate the seeds. (water)
Secound I take normal common soil used for cannabis and put some water in it to get a good moist level. Not to dry and not to dense. The water i use is normal tapwater. (soil and water).
I put down the seeds about 1-1.5cm deep and spay they surface with normal tap water (water).

Ok thats all i have time to do before they start givin up on me so the only 2 things that can be messing up things is the water or the soil and i know for sure its not the soil.

I will give you an update when i get the RO machine.

 

[dre86]

and what is the pH of your water? Do U have a pH meter?

 

[MynameStitch]

Why don't you get some seed starter mixture and forget the mixture you are using.......

Also do not use RO water on seedlings; older plants yes, but seedlings no.

Common soil can mean bad stuff; since you are on the other side of the world I can't tell you what is good or bad.... but I will say get a seed starter mixture if you can.

You won't have any problems except for overwatering with that mixture. Ph does not need to be adjusted; you just need to transplant once the seeds get over 2 weeks of age.

You also need to start feeding them, you can't expect plants to live on soil and that's it. You need to feed weekly when the plants get over 2 weeks of age..... Your plants were dying from you over watering and not feeding them.
Tap water is not going to kill all your seedlings unless you have like 400 PPMS out of the tap or something like that; bad water then.....

 

[dvine]

Why don't you get some seed starter mixture and forget the mixture you are using.......

Also do not use RO water on seedlings; older plants yes, but seedlings no.

Common soil can mean bad stuff; since you are on the other side of the world I can't tell you what is good or bad.... but I will say get a seed starter mixture if you can.

You won't have any problems except for overwatering with that mixture. Ph does not need to be adjusted; you just need to transplant once the seeds get over 2 weeks of age.

You also need to start feeding them, you can't expect plants to live on soil and that's it. You need to feed weekly when the plants get over 2 weeks of age..... Your plants were dying from you over watering and not feeding them.
Tap water is not going to kill all your seedlings unless you have like 400 PPMS out of the tap or something like that; bad water then.....

I have tryed a soil that has the name (directly translated) "catuar and seed soil". A soil ment for seeds and catuars.
When you say i need to feed em.. well thats what i have been trying to tell you, I don't even get to that stage! The soil don't even have time to dry out ONE time before problems start showing. The soil are only moist in the start when i plant the seeds.

I have tryed two types of seeds now, mine and some others i bought. both seeds show the exakt same signs in a matter of days when they come up from the soil.

All the plats looks like this after about 5 days.

I gave them some water yesterday.

 

[MynameStitch]

Cactur seed soil is for cacti plants and is acidic; your plants are showing a zinc deficiency most likely due to pH being acidic or too much phosphorus levels.
Seedlings that size are not supossed to be showing ANY problems period.

IT's your soil dude, get seed starter mix don't use anything else, if you want good plants use seed starter mixture dude.

Your soil is causing your plants to have a lockout, if you want to grow good plants get a seed starter mixture so you can at least get past a week old seedlings; I feel really bad for ya dude, but if you want to get good plants, take my advice and get some seed starter mixture.

 

[dvine]

What ph should the soil have to be the ultimate pH value?

The thing is that i do not belive it ths soil and im gonna explain wy.
As i sad before i sell these seeds and they use the same soil mix as i am and they get true it flawless as it should do. I know this is true becouse i have done this my self before i moved to another part of town (2 years now sience i did manage to grow em perfectly).

To be honest then i have tryed atleast 10 different soilmixes avalible in my town and all of them have showed the exact same sign as this plant do.

Do you think it would go better if i tried the first week to grow them in a rockwool cube and water with 6.6 in pH or something like that? worth a try, right?

 

[HouseHead]

That might be a good idea just to see if its your soil or not. Put a germed seed in a 1.5 cube rockwool. Adjust your water to the 5.8 range and see how that goes. If they look nice and healthy 2 to 3 weeks down the road its most likely your soil if not its your water. Then i would suggest distilled water.

 

[MynameStitch]

Are they growing the same strain as you are?

Do they water as much as you do? Are they using the same size pots, big pots for small seedlings?
I don't know your mixture so Ican't tell you what your pH needs to be, because Idon't know if there is more earth or other soiless stuff in there.

Just because someone else is using it does not mean it will work for you; there growing style may be different than theres; so thus I would reccomend getting rid of the soil and trying seed starter mixture and using dixie cups; cocktail plastic cups with holes on the bottom.

You have tried everything, but you have not tried a weak mixture; all the mixtures you have used have been strong, too strong for seedlings and you fed them to early sometimes; I am talking about past grows like you said you did.....

You can't fix something if you are going to be stubborn about it; buying a small bag of seed starter mixture won't hurt, because the plants are being locked out which tells me the mixture is either A too strong for that strain or B the pH is off.

and since your plant is showing ZINC problem, this tells me the SOIL is too hot; all the zinc problems I have seen have been caused by when the soil has too high of phosphorus levels in the mixture......

 

[dvine]

I have tried all kind of sizes on the pots, from 1-2dl to about 1L with the same results.

January 2006 i took the soil i have now, mixed it with 8% leca and 8%perlite.
Took the verry same pots im using right now and did put some leca in the bottom.
Put the soil in the pots and added some water.
I now germinated my seeds the same way I do now (toiletpaper with the same brand).
Took the seeds and put em in the soil.
12 days after the first one came up above the soil it did look like this. (this is also what i aiming for)

I did grow that and at this time I started to add fertilizers into the water.
I used the same seeds as now, the same soil and the same lamps. Only difference is that I moved to another part of town and watied 2 years

What make me go "GHAAA" is that i use the same stuff and it don't work any more
You say its to hot and then the soil probaly are and therefor i will try find some starters mix soil even if i have to order it. I will also try some rockwool cubes (did just order some). Thank you so much for your advices and i will try them asap.

Btw your avatar pic rocks, love it ^_^

 

[dvine]

Ok time to revive a old tread and time for some ppl to learn a few things. The problem i have is NOT water or soil related! Its AIR or Light, i dont know witch yet tho. The way i dicoverd this was simply that i changed location about 20km from here. I used the same soil and the same water and suddenly they grow like crazy! Only way to tell for sure if its the air or lamps is to do the exakt same test at the first location with the same lamps, if it fails then its the air.

The bulb i have been using at my first location is
http://www.head-nature.com/02188?id=6qSHkHLK&mv_pc=222
And at the second its "low energy bulbs" (directly translated from swedish), think its called compact florecents in english.

If it is the air, then what in the air can be cousing it? First location is close to a mining site where the air can be rater dusty.

If it is the light then how can a lamp made for growing be cousing problems?