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[Hazeseeker]

Just read the back of the bat guano tub i bought yesterday, it says it acts as a sort of slow release over a period of 3-12 weeks,
my FFA is on day 9 of flower today, do you guys reckon i've left it too late to use or will it be fine as long as i give a nice flush at the end of flowering?

peace

 

[guest123]

Hi Hazeseeker,

Flushing is not very effective at ridding the soil of excess phosphorous. However, if you were to combine that product with some type of catalyst (Earth Juice makes a decent one) or compost/soil inoculant (something containing bacteria, fungi, enzymes, yeast etc), you can increase availability rapidly and diminish residual effects to close to nil probably far inside of half the time stated on the tub.

 

[Hazeseeker]

Cool cannafriend , i've still got half a container of trichoderma powder from last year i could use as an innoculant,
thanks for the info mate, really appreciated

peace

 

[guest123]

I'm sorry Hazeseeker I'm afraid I was not being as clear as I should have been. What you mentioned will help some - Trichoderma solubilize phosphates and micronutrients, how quickly (alone) I could not tell you. What I am talking about though is some type of compost starter/activator/accelerator, usually containing lots of different bacteria, fungi, and yeasts.

Choices are many, and again I think the Earth Juice catalyst works pretty good. If memory serves I believe that Primal Harvest micronized guano actually recommends EJ Cat by name on their instruction sheet and I don't believe the companies are even related.

I do not have a lot of experience with Trichoderma, I used that Tharz once but was for something else. I do have ample experience using these other products and have done various side by sides with and without while closely monitoring field meters. I am comfortable recommending them in the capacity we are discussing - they work. That is, EC will raise far more rapidly when guano is used in conjunction with these types of products, and will drop down again more rapidly as well, while the non-additive guano feedings are lagging behind.

 

[Hazeseeker]

ah cool, that makes sense now, i'll try it out anyway man as a sort of experiment,
the FFA i'm gonna be testing it on is due a watering/feeding tonight so i'll try it out with both top dressing the Bat Guano + with the Trichoderma in the water when i'm watering the Guano through,
i'll let you know how i get on

peace

 

[Hazeseeker]

Gave the FFA the Bat Guano last night (on day 10 of flower),
recommends 2-4 spoons per pot, i went for just over 2 spoons,
sprinkled it over the top of the compost then worked it into the soil an inch or so with a fork,
made up 5 litres of water with a few grams of trichoderma powder in there with 5ml of Bio Bizz Grow (Grow has mollasses in there good for the trichoderma IIRC),
then watered it through, fingers crossed this stuff works good

peace

 

[Cinderella99]

Gypsy, my good brother...

Gypsy, my good brother...

For all knowitall moaner's....whenever it is that YOU are putting on a weed comp that allows me to enter against the best of the Pro's and Independents(If they all have the bottle to enter that is!) I will gladly enter and attend it..Please let me know when these events are...But until then My Only option to compete internationally with my(or anyone elses work 4 that matter)is the IC cup and it may not be perfect...but it can only get better if more energy is put into the cause we all care about rather than childish dissing matches.
I don't know why people bothered attending if they are just gonna moan as soon as its over......Whats so great that you are all doing right now...Not a F--king lot...I thought so...Talk is cheap. PUT YOUR OWN CUP ON IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!! This thread is very dissapointing,Was it s'posed to be a Slag off the only available cup we can enter thread...lol. The funniest thing is when you are all face to face you obviously don't say shit about these things that are Sooo important now,otherwise the cup would've had a few punch-ups...cluck,cluck....
I personally will continue to use whatever Herb sites I feel like and enter whatever cups are open to me whoever is slagging them off....As my agenda is to be better and better at what I do,which is growing,breeding and spreading great ganja,which the cup really helps with....Beginning to wonder what many others agenda's really are? JBo

I can COMPLETELY understand how you feel PO'd and lied to. You spent your money and were unable to at all weigh in on the outcome due to the misinformation you received. Hey, where-the-fuc* is the PAYOFF??? WTF is this, excercise? I don't need any, Thank You.

No seriously, your own cuts of C99 that you gave these DNA boys to help them out were very likely the same ones that were used to create the father and, probably, 90% of the genetics of the mysterious Choco Special.

THEN, the bait and switch about who the actual winner is, with marketing rights that have NO benefit to you, after spending your own coin to put the show on. Irony of ironies.... you end up spending your own money to facilitate the marketing efforts of the very kids that ripped you off and rebranded/lied!

Sounds like a severe waste of your time at best. The real irony, though, is that if you complain, it sounds like money is involved in the decision! I'd be pissed ;-)

Here's what I would suggest for next year's cup: Let ME handle the judge position sales. I will guarantee that all 30 get sold at $300 a pop. In fact, I'll guarantee the $10k -- I will put the $$ in escrow now, brother.

Gypsy, I love you, man, I mean it! I'm serious.

 

[FOE20]

its kewl to see you cats even talk on it...Hell I like the fact that folks are starting to Defend Canna properly...and not just acting like a bitch cause they have what they think is some special cut...
All I know is I would love to attend and meet you cats and see what its really about...
It all sounds bloody splendid even with a lil back n forth in this thread....who cares...thats life......smoke one and talk on it later...

Ojd seems like your just wanting things done right......but there is a point to what BritishBullDog just said....

it's justified that OJ mislabled the Chocolope in order to get a fair vote,

Im not one for politics either but mislabeled and Fair in the same sentence sounds like Bush's 2nd election ya know...
Its actually quite sad that the old Strains dont get and Keep the Rep they started with so long ago....I gata agree with Gypsy on that...
If its a c99 Dom hybrid...Why not give the credit and acclaim to the Strain as its earned it after 20-30yrs of being enjoyed..even Gypsy isnt trying to put his own name up on this he's defending a great fukin strain..
I gata say that Ive heard many great things here in the states about Chocolope....now to read that its just c99 is sort of a let down....Ive got c99 in other seed stock....so now I have another "type" of c99 that cost a pretty penny to...
sounds like they shoulda called it Cinderella Haze....but you know why they didnt...Cause Cindy's been had so many times....and for a damn good reason.....fruity Skunk given to a strain nicked Choco-lope bla Haze...

Also I'd like to add that even to Im trying not to talk smack on folks just speakin my mind...DNA didnt say a word when we ran their work...We doc'd n posted pics of some great plants...Then I asked some questions and they seemed to not have a answer for anything....So whats the point of calling these guys "breeders"....ya know.....cause they have a name and fancy label gets them no extra respect from me..Im to old for that crap...

I support and listen to folks that support and respect the genetics that they work with...I dont see a prob at all with folks calling out others on these topics..It should have been this way from the get go....
FOE20

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

It is not really possible to copyright a strain/variety of cannabis, but if the lineage is known back to the original breeder that took all the time/care and effort to produce it then I think that person should be commended by the growers/breeders that might take the line a step further by at least mentioning them in the descriptions of the plants particularly if someone is making money out of selling the seeds produced from that line......that way the end user/grower can be sure that they are not just buying something that they already have under a different name.

It always winds me up if I find out that someone has just re-named a known and well established variety with a completely different name (as in this case with DNA) and claim that they actually created it so cheating the original breeder out of any kudos and the end grower out of the truth on that variety/strain.......thats just plain dishonesty and shows zero respect to the breeder that actually created it in the first place....all for the sake of making money and gaining false credibility.....

I did try my best to attempt at educating DNA on good breeding practices years ago when we were on speaking terms, but it is quite obvious now to me that all they wanted to do was take from every other breeder around and myself and make money from that while claiming that they had done all the breeding work themselves,.....DNA are not breeders, they are merely seedmakers and anyone can cross one plant with another and make seeds....there is no real breeding 'work' in doing that.....

 

[love?]

DNA are not breeders, they are merely seedmakers and anyone can cross one plant with another and make seeds....there is no real breeding 'work' in doing that.....

That's true with most "breeders" though. And most the stuff these glass "artists" put out hardly qualifies as art...

But who cares, maybe these fancy titles make someone feel better about themselves.

 

[Burt]

i've limited my use of dried guano-i think that a liquid form like the HPK doesn't stick around that long-especially in coco

 

[Cinderella99]

True..True...

True..True...

That's true with most "breeders" though. And most the stuff these glass "artists" put out hardly qualifies as art...

But who cares, maybe these fancy titles make someone feel better about themselves.

But when Gypsy was knocking off/producing affordable-available copies of sought after strains back in the day, and still today to an extent, he was at least direct about who he was copying. He ruffled quite a few feathers with his buddy Mao (sp?) and his skunk1 male and all, but made many more folks happy and was always DIRECT about the product. It was free-market at its best. And if I recall, there was some sort of a loose, somewhat contentious (it's never perfect) royalty system involved or at least a quid pro quo. He never RELABELED shit, like DNA has done with Cannalope (sp?). So that's something to be said.

You folks are all fantastic and I look forward to meeting you all next year! Peace/Best Regards.

 

[REZDOG]

Hmmmm....
Let me add....
When Gypsy had the GNC99 seeds produced,he had Mr. Soul,of the Bros. Grimm,prior blessings.
Those seeds were professionally produced in Holland,legally,under contract,using Original Bros. Grimm Cinderella 99 seed stock.
Mau didn't use a SK#1 P1 in the GN C99 Project,it was straight C99 x C99 all the way from start to finish.
Those GN Collection C99 seeds produced Cinderella 99 equal to the Bros. Grimm's releases,it was great for the community to have access to those genetics-unlike now.
As to DnA,I smoked their "cannalope haze" that came directly from them to me,in A'Damm....It was,simply,Cinderella 99,absolutely No "haze" about it. Relabelled.
I've been growing and smoking C99 for well over ten years-Gypsy smoked it,DG smoked it,Reeferman smoked it,SmokeyPuffmaster smoked it,and ALL of us well-informed C99 smokers agreed: It was simply 100% Cinderella 99,re-labeled.
If this so-called "chocolope" cut is (yet again) just C99,relabeled (yet again),that's just fucking sad.
When DnA came to A'Damm,Cinderella 99 hadn't made its way into the mainstream,and the Grimms had quite recently retired.
Anybody who has smoked well-grown C99 will tell you that it's a serious contender for Grail status,and certainly more than capable of winning a HTCC.
DnA made that happen,I guess-but credit wasn't given when credit was (more than) fairly due.
The karma from that Very Bad Move has been follwing them for years,biting at their heels,and crushing their credibility.
No matter how many contests you "win",if your win smells like shit,it probably is.
That's my take on the DnA "cannalope99/chocolope99" issue.



Cheers!

 

[mosca negra]

Well said Gypsy, Foe20, and Rez! Let's give credit where credit is due. Our community is far too small for negative Karma regarding these Great genetics we possess...

If it looks like a skunk and smells like skunk... then let everyone know what it is!

Proost!

 

[titoon29]

well said too mosca !!!!

i ll definetly have a look at this cannalope next time i ll go to adam to see.... c99 is so different from most herb that it can be easily recognized... last time wally showed me some samples, i hadn t smoked any c99 related strain for a year, and the smell and taste reminds me instantly of the c99 from female seeds i grew... so smooth, so c99 ;-)

that was a bad move from dNa, but no need to fight each others as we have a lot more evil people to fight against ^^

 

[Blue]

ahh the seed business has become a very dark & money driven place & it sucks balls big time!!!!

I agree with the Re nameing of seeds it's a joke ala the new kush craze that is being driven by our American friends.

Create beans & give them away free that way everyone is happy!!! if folks want to pay they can still purchase them but me I'm going to keep on making my own untill I find what I'm looking for......

Also can folks please stop using the word Elite in ref to clones

 

[theherbalizor]

Dam, I never knew cannalope was c99. I never liked cannalope, could never detect haze. And it has a taste that reminds me of shark. Same with the chocolope. But I do prefer that smoke.

This bugs me as I have a c99 drying, hoping to smoke for the first time, and its smells like shark. Kinda insipid wine like smell. Took her 70 days. She was ready by 56. Oh ho hum.

Snowdog and silver ready in a few weeks, you coming for a sess oj

 

[ojd]

well firstly i would like to say
dna did not enter the competition i did

i agree no haze what so ever in the canalope haze
i would also like to add choclope is def not c99 a cross maybe
if i was to bet it has some kush or something in it(many people have said this)
again i did not enter this for the dna or anything like that

i had a crop of multiple strains
la con
choclope
casey jones
nycd

the new york city i had to take a week early and only a week flush so i was not going to enter that
then there was the la con which was good but i prefered the casey or chocolope
the casy jones is my good buddy truecannablis cut and he had already won a 2nd place award for it so i was not going to enter that
so it was the cholope
that is why i entered it
it was the best tasting weed out of what i had available
i made a bad judgement and called it fruity skunk(never never again)
i owed it to everyone to say what it was chocolope ( most of the judges already clocked it)not by me saying i just heard alot of people talking about it

i thought there might be some flaming but i dont care about that

i didnt mean to cause all this trouble

so i entered a GROWERS CUP with weed i harvested and won
enough said
it doesnt matter what i entered with
it was a blind cup and the results came out

brothers grim deserve all the credit for creating the legendary c99

but this weed i entered was not c99
it was chocolope and all you guys who smoked run c99 back in the day(i didnt)will know that
canalope haze well thats another story and i didnt grow canalope haze i did choclope
ok enough of this bullshit
next year i will enter 1 of my own strains and then there will be no shit talk(bollocks of course there will,there always is)


herb hi bro
snowdog and silver
count me in bro
tell me when and il be there
peace

also what silver ssh

 

[oldpink]

I got to agree with OJD here
I had a chance to smoke a bit of his entry and it was not C99 based
I know I smoked enough of the real deal C99 in my time and its quite unique
I'd also like to add, as I got to smoke most of the entrys and for me OJD's was my favorite
closely followed by the cheese from Big Buddha in the Indica catagory


OP

well firstly i would like to say
dna did not enter the competition i did

i agree no haze what so ever in the canalope haze
i would also like to add choclope is def not c99 a cross maybe
if i was to bet it has some kush or something in it(many people have said this)
again i did not enter this for the dna or anything like that

i had a crop of multiple strains
la con
choclope
casey jones
nycd

the new york city i had to take a week early and only a week flush so i was not going to enter that
then there was the la con which was good but i prefered the casey or chocolope
the casy jones is my good buddy truecannablis cut and he had already won a 2nd place award for it so i was not going to enter that
so it was the cholope
that is why i entered it
it was the best tasting weed out of what i had available
i made a bad judgement and called it fruity skunk(never never again)
i owed it to everyone to say what it was chocolope ( most of the judges already clocked it)not by me saying i just heard alot of people talking about it

i thought there might be some flaming but i dont care about that

i didnt mean to cause all this trouble

so i entered a GROWERS CUP with weed i harvested and won
enough said
it doesnt matter what i entered with
it was a blind cup and the results came out

brothers grim deserve all the credit for creating the legendary c99

but this weed i entered was not c99
it was chocolope and all you guys who smoked run c99 back in the day(i didnt)will know that
canalope haze well thats another story and i didnt grow canalope haze i did choclope
ok enough of this bullshit
next year i will enter 1 of my own strains and then there will be no shit talk(bollocks of course there will,there always is)


herb hi bro
snowdog and silver
count me in bro
tell me when and il be there
peace

also what silver ssh

 

[Capt. Crip]

Great post OP...
I have to agree that ojd is a hellova grower!!!Everything I have smapled from him has been absolutely top notch...Grown well,flushed well,dried and cured well...
I have sampled Choco several times during the last 2 cups(or the month I spent during the last 2 cups)and it is a fruity indica...Fruity,berryish,sweetish type flavor and a solid high..
I have not seen or been offered a sample of cannalope during either visit...
Will look to try/taste it next time over....Hopefully a well grown sample will show herself so I can give her a try and see what I taste in there...I figured I would see it listed in a few shops but did not...Should have taken a better look in the Grey Area as this would be the best place to find such a sample if it's availible in a coffeeshop.........................CC