autos acually outyeild typical strains gpw per year.

[Leviathan]

-Im talking about small grow cabs for the most part-


Has anybody considered that a typical perpetual grow room with flower n mother chamber thats seperate actaully in the end yeilds less then autos without the need for a mother n clone chamber??? let me explain.

1. the space you grow your mothers n clones in will never yeild bud, its a fact.
It may keep your perpetual going i dont disagree but the space never actually produces anything.. in some rooms this is about 25-30 percent of their usualbe floor space.

2. if u can go with seed to bud with an auto in 70 days but to grow a conventional plant need a few weeks to clone and veg and since most strains are atleast 60 days to flower your at or over the 70 day turn around of some autos and certainly beyond that with alot of strains out there and as i said earlier, all this space produces nada, with a 1.5 wide 2ft deep flower mother area your looseing ounces per harvest, it adds up.


i think the future is autos, i just dont see it going any other way, the only trick with autos is to be able to fit as many as u need into your space without stunting there root growth and then when the males show, put the females in larger containers..this whole autos have the hugest tap root thing is a little bit of b.s. i must say,,, so it shouldnt be to hard to provide enough root space. and being that the males show so early the medium can be reused for the next run, this is just my two cents on space which i think gets wasted more then any resource we use as growers..the cost of extra medium compared to wasted space with clones in minimal.

and with autos were they are now, imagine were thell be in 5 years.. nobody even talks about this grow http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=120856

ive seen no one pull a pound with a 400 hundred on the forum yet with a typical strain and i know its possible just not in 66 days.. and this with low yeilding lowryder 1., what about a room full of ak-47 +blueberry, check out theese plants http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=119699.

 

[IceColdCrickets]

Hey buddy, nice to see you have been enlighted to the Awesome Power of AFs, LOL. and how they can yield when grown in the correct way.

Ya that grow was done with LR#1 to show the fact that even LR#1 has to ability to be great, just think what the New AF hydribs will do!

The yeild potential increases by 50% when Using FEM AF seed. Feminised AF seeds is where its at my friends! There are zero males and all space becomes yield. They are like female clones in seed form, the need for a clone mother is no longer required. The fact that most AF strains are IBLs due to the AF being reccesive, your FEM seed will be very stable, showing only little variation. Yes FEM seeds are still expensive but soon the price will go down. For what they do they are still worth it now.

I will be doing another AF SOG, strains will be JEMS, White Wizard, and a few LowAsis. It will be done using the Fox Farm Organic Method. It will yeild at least 1 lb with these strains, in 70days or LESS!

The potential of AF becoming the future of home growing is indeed a possability, BUT we can't forget to preserve the others. Non AFs have traits and qualities that AF breeding still hasn't produced. Also, the ability to keep clone mothers for future breeding isnt possible with AFs ect.. AFs have thier drawbacks, but thier ability to grow so fast and yield so much will ensure they are here to stay.

Just wait until next spring when we have MORE and MORE Better AF strains!!

ICC,

 

[ourcee]

the comment about "mothers and veg plants not ever producing bud" is true.

but in order to produce bud period, you need a plant.

so either you are going to have to seed some of your bud for next run (which basically lowers your yield because you be growin seeds on some of those, not bud) or keep buying massive amounts of seeds... which isnt the cheapest thing in the world.

I keep a mother/veg room, yeah I have more than one room so I can do this, I dont NEED to have a yield being generated from that room because the yield generated in my OTHER room more than makes up for it.

Due to me having a veg room, I can now take clones, root and veg them for however long I want, all while having my flower room full to the hilt.

when I harvest one plant I can put another 2 week vegged and ready for 12/12 plant right in its place 5 minutes after I cut the original plant out.

doesnt really seem like a waste to me?

AF strains have potential to do lots of things, however if your goal is actual production of bud, quality unseeded and known genetic traits, then you probably wont be using a full AF. hybrid possibly, but full on AF just leaves too many variables, what if you miss a male? what if one hermies? what if you want a plant that yields a pound per plant because you are on a lower plant limit in one of these medical marijuana states?

they have a place but will it replace good ole standard ganj? probably not.

 

[CraftyApe]

I will be doing another AF SOG, strains will be JEMS, White Wizard, and a few LowAsis. It will be done using the Fox Farm Organic Method. It will yeild at least 1 lb with these strains, in 70days or LESS!

Bugger me with a fish fork! Nice.
Got to say that makes me smile.

I have never bothered to run the calculations on what I could do with the space available but I would tend to agree re yield for the space and power put in to producing it if you are femming out your own seeds. And it is not like that is rocket science, even I have done it.

 

[IceColdCrickets]

so either you are going to have to seed some of your bud for next run (which basically lowers your yield because you be growin seeds on some of those, not bud) or keep buying massive amounts of seeds... which isnt the cheapest thing in the world..

1 seed run can make 1000s of seeds, keeping you well supplied for yrs. Never have to buy or produce for a long time. Also FEM seeds can be made making things that much more easy.

I keep a mother/veg room, yeah I have more than one room so I can do this, I dont NEED to have a yield being generated from that room because the yield generated in my OTHER room more than makes up for it.

Due to me having a veg room, I can now take clones, root and veg them for however long I want, all while having my flower room full to the hilt.

when I harvest one plant I can put another 2 week vegged and ready for 12/12 plant right in its place 5 minutes after I cut the original plant out.

doesnt really seem like a waste to me?.

How can NON producing space make up for producing space??? As for the perpetual harvest ,, the same can be done with AFs by staggering the planting times.

AF strains have potential to do lots of things, however if your goal is actual production of bud, quality unseeded and known genetic traits, then you probably wont be using a full AF. hybrid possibly, but full on AF just leaves too many variables, what if you miss a male? what if one hermies? what if you want a plant that yields a pound per plant because you are on a lower plant limit in one of these medical marijuana states?.

As for the ability for AFs to be used for bud production with quality unseeded buds known genetic traits ect... why do you think they can't be used for this??? I am confused , all you have to do is grow them out like any other cannabis plant for production and you will get quality buds. We are working on strains made just for the purpose. Easy Ryder is one of them, yeilding OZs each plant in 70days.

I really don't understand why you think AFs produce too many variables, how can you miss a male? they are very pronounced in sex, HERMIES? Most AF strains are Known to be HERMIE FREE! Hermies are extremely rare,, if there is one you will know in the first 3 weeks kill it and start a new one. As for the 1 lb per plant you got me there,, BUT answer me this, How long did you veg that clone and then flower it? I need to know the turn around time. As if you think about it ,, in the same amount of time you can produce the same amount of buds in the same amount space as your larger plant,, but as for numbers of plant restrictions that is one problem that AFs have. But we are working on larger producing AFs to make this problem less pronounced, and reducing the number of plants needed to yeild the quantities your require, and still be faster then NON-AFs.

they have a place but will it replace good ole standard ganj? probably not.

No one is here to replace anything, just offer more options for growers indoors and out.

You have valid points but when using Feminized AF seed it is just like having clones at your request. No more wasted time to cut, root , veg, and also you must maintain your mothers. And that space coud be used for even more production area. Feminized AF seeds are an extremely helpful tool to any indoor grower.

I am not against NON AFs in anyway, I Love NON AFs, like i said before they must be preserved as they have traits we haven't seen in AF and also the preservation of NON-AFs NOT contaminated with AF genetics is a MUST!

ICC

 

[*mr.mike*]

Using AF types and fluorescent lamps, I've realized an average of 1.2 grams per watt. When I was using 400 watt lamps and regular strains, I never got such a yield.
But I did get lots of timber.

I'll find some males, remove them, then a week or two later pick the better of them to pollinate the lowest four to six branches to get more seed. It doesn't affect the overall yield.

As far as potency, yield, and the spaces required of AFs, I'll never go back to 12/12s. Even if it were "legal."

 

[deepforest]

this whole autos have the hugest tap root thing is a little bit of b.s. i must say,,, .

i just like to make shit up and post it as fact on internet forums also

ive got 3 week old AF's that ive pulled once they've been sexed as males that have taproots that go straight down almost a half foot. thats huge for a 3 week old plant in my eyes.

 

[bobblehead]

hmmm... I've never grown out an autoflower, so my opinion is biased...

I see where if you only have the space for one room, autoflowers would rock it! However they still veg 2-3 weeks. Assuming you have the space for a mother, you could keep around a high potency, high yielding mother, veg cuts for 2-3 weeks, and finish in 7-? weeks... You know exactly what you're going to get, time after time. Growing from seed is always a gamble.
Fem autos sound great! but how's the potency compared to standard non-autos? I think that making your own fem-autos could potentially be a great way to keep a room full of flowering ladies without keeping a mom!

 

[pedrodepaco]

The commercial practice of growing from seed every time results in alot of piss poor buds. Most growers pop a bunch of beans get a few males and mixed results from the females. you then find the best female and clone it so you have a uniform crop. not a bunch of mixed phenos .

 

[Leviathan]

ice cold you answered all my questions for me, thx it saved me work. it amazes me how this post of mine was about useing valuable space and some of you still missed it, and some of you havent been smoking the new autos, there potent believe me.

and yes my three week old autos have half foot tap roots, big deal thats six inches, read the forums people are talking about useing tree containers that are tall and narrow of their autos as if the tap root was 2ft down.

and also i just grew out diseal ryder, all the plants were pretty much the same, the huge phenotype variety in certain autos, non lowlife and jointryder arent what im talking about so the stability is definatley there. and yes one auto can give u like 500 seeds?? who needs to keep males and polinate each run?

do all the calculations n numbers u can think of, autos out yeild-

 

[pedrodepaco]

Auto were designed for people who wanted a simple sesemey streat way of growing pot.

 

[lowrdr]

i have to say that auto' prefer their roots to go deeper rather than spread out. i run most of my plants in 2 litre bottles and get pretty large plants, bigger in fact than when i used 4.5litre pots, that were shallower and wider. some people get different results using different methods. i have personally found and i know other people have found that the tap root likes to go deep. try a shallow wide pot and a tall narrow pot with the same genetic plant and compare results, ill put my money on the tall narrow pot getting bigger

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Auto were designed for people who wanted a simple sesemey streat way of growing pot.

Word!

 

[temunator]

but u could yield 500g from 1 normal scrogged plant

 

[jwop]

autoflowering plants are a blessing in disguise for the end user, the grower.

but when it comes to breeding ... it make things a WHOLE LOT different

 

[shroomyshroom]

i have to say that auto' prefer their roots to go deeper rather than spread out. i run most of my plants in 2 litre bottles and get pretty large plants, bigger in fact than when i used 4.5litre pots, that were shallower and wider. some people get different results using different methods. i have personally found and i know other people have found that the tap root likes to go deep. try a shallow wide pot and a tall narrow pot with the same genetic plant and compare results, ill put my money on the tall narrow pot getting bigger

agreed %100

a few other members have come to this conclusion as well

 

[lowrdr]

Auto were designed for people who wanted a simple sesemey streat way of growing pot.

that may be so. but when auto's have had more work done on them and can compete with standard strains (which i dare say some are getting close!) whats the harm in them being simple? surely that is the best way to grow bud, keep it simple? it has allowed many people to start growing that were daunted by all the light schedules and soil ph measurements etc etc. the only person that the autoflowering culture is bad for is the commercial cannabis grower that will lose out because his/her customers will be growing their own "sesame street" herb

 

[jwop]

that may be so. but when auto's have had more work done on them and can compete with standard strains (which i dare say some are getting close!) whats the harm in them being simple? surely that is the best way to grow bud, keep it simple? it has allowed many people to start growing that were daunted by all the light schedules and soil ph measurements etc etc. the only person that the autoflowering culture is bad for is the commercial cannabis grower that will lose out because his/her customers will be growing their own "sesame street" herb

photoperiod is the only advantage to AF strains

"soil ph measurements etc etc." are still an issue

 

[lowrdr]

photoperiod is the only advantage to AF strains

"soil ph measurements etc etc." are still an issue

maybe just live in an area where my water is the right ph but ive NEVER had any problems with ph values. always had really healthy plants

 

[jwop]

maybe just live in an area where my water is the right ph but ive NEVER had any problems with ph values. always had really healthy plants

yeah i have a ph of about 6.2 usually

take a look at my album with my waterfarm, i have never owned a ph pen or a tds pen

the only thing i have ever tested was my tap water and i've never had any problems with chemical fertilizers ... although i think if i went organic my chlorine levels would kill every beneficial and unwanted bacteria/organisms i have

im in the same boat ... but most people don't have it like you and me