Regardless, that does not mean that selective genes can be 100% permanently ruled out of a strains genetic code with enough selective breeding.
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Autoflowers dont get you high?
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Castelvetro
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nice to see my common sense and studied knowlege backed up by others with common knowlegde. its hard for most to accept how everything is of chance n quantum, even genes, or like i said, law of regression to the mean, this lock you guys speak of is fictiscious, but the tempory one might be long enough-
mdanzig theres a very good chance ill try your sour sixy, ive heard good things about your other strain that i cant remember the name of. im interested in it next summer probally if its that good.
C
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I am glad you see the light mate.
You will really love AFs in the outdoor.
While your friends are still taking trips to check up on their vegging plants (if guerilla), you will be drowning in buds to trim.
You will really love AFs in the outdoor.
While your friends are still taking trips to check up on their vegging plants (if guerilla), you will be drowning in buds to trim.
harold
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some strains are pretty much locked, try finding a skunky sk1... i know its been bred for a long time, but i bet its traits have been constrained that way for many years.
i dont know nothing of breeding to be fair, but i think its very possible for auto and potency to be locked (99%) together... from my personal experience autos are getting much, much better.... give it time, they will be excellent, and some fine examples are showing there faces today.
i dont know nothing of breeding to be fair, but i think its very possible for auto and potency to be locked (99%) together... from my personal experience autos are getting much, much better.... give it time, they will be excellent, and some fine examples are showing there faces today.
the guy you talked to knows no shit about AF
yes they need to be worked with...but it's exactly the same as all the hybrids the people have been creating all these years...if you don't select for potency and effect the weed is going back to basics and forget about the THC or lose potency or whatever, it becomes "low quality"
Now
about the AF
initially it is ruderalis that had the trait of AF because it developed in a belt that was too north to allow the regular flowering of cannabis indica or sativa...to be able to survive the short season the AF came out...mind you even a tropical sativa can show AF like in equatorial africa...but it's a recessive trait.
more about it
in the North you don't have a great incidence of UV light as a matter of fact the UV light is soooooo little that even mankind has bleached out (another recessive trait for the genetics fan out there) therefore the AF Ruderalis has adapted at creating less THC (but still present in small quantities) and more CBD and CBN which are great against mold and bacteria and the reason why Ruderalis doesn't get you high if you smoke it, and if mix it with other potent bud it will dampen the high to a body high because CBD is antipsychotic and interferes with the effects of THC...however this is not a good reason for a medically oriented person to dismiss the ruderalis-derived AF strain, it should be the complete opposite: medically inclined patients should embrace ruderalis if they are not interested in getting high (be it because they don't like the feeling or because they have to be functional on the job).
besides the medical value of a strain that has high CBD and CBN should not be underestimated.
the rest has been thoroughly discussed as i can see
that was my 2$
yes they need to be worked with...but it's exactly the same as all the hybrids the people have been creating all these years...if you don't select for potency and effect the weed is going back to basics and forget about the THC or lose potency or whatever, it becomes "low quality"
Now
about the AF
initially it is ruderalis that had the trait of AF because it developed in a belt that was too north to allow the regular flowering of cannabis indica or sativa...to be able to survive the short season the AF came out...mind you even a tropical sativa can show AF like in equatorial africa...but it's a recessive trait.
more about it
in the North you don't have a great incidence of UV light as a matter of fact the UV light is soooooo little that even mankind has bleached out (another recessive trait for the genetics fan out there) therefore the AF Ruderalis has adapted at creating less THC (but still present in small quantities) and more CBD and CBN which are great against mold and bacteria and the reason why Ruderalis doesn't get you high if you smoke it, and if mix it with other potent bud it will dampen the high to a body high because CBD is antipsychotic and interferes with the effects of THC...however this is not a good reason for a medically oriented person to dismiss the ruderalis-derived AF strain, it should be the complete opposite: medically inclined patients should embrace ruderalis if they are not interested in getting high (be it because they don't like the feeling or because they have to be functional on the job).
besides the medical value of a strain that has high CBD and CBN should not be underestimated.
the rest has been thoroughly discussed as i can see
that was my 2$
Castelvetro
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during norhtern latitudes actual growing season the uv light compared to the south is actually more, day light hours are much more in the norht then in the equitorial areas, this equates to more uv not less. your perspective is a little off.
-scorpion-
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its like this nicoli,
if you want yield with af plants you get it by numbers, therefore no matter how big the pots you still wont yield as much as you would/ could by putting alot more plants into the same small space check out icc's af sog high yielding thread located in this af sub section
peace -scorpion-
if you want yield with af plants you get it by numbers, therefore no matter how big the pots you still wont yield as much as you would/ could by putting alot more plants into the same small space check out icc's af sog high yielding thread located in this af sub section
peace -scorpion-
ok all valid points. but for people living in a medical state, where the majority is grown inside or in proper seasonal climates....who would grow AF for medicinal purposes unless it was the very last option....
yeah AF will get you high....but so does pipe resin and mexican brick.
yeah AF will get you high....but so does pipe resin and mexican brick.
Mr.Meds
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not true... I have found a lot of medicinal qualities in AF strains. I haven't found THE one for ME yet but I KNOW they have the absolute potential to ail an array of problems for people. Without a doubt... They're so quick that you can harvest a lot more frequently and If you grow them properly you can get 1-3 oscars a bean inside, easy. That's fast medicine. Some states don't consider a plant a plant if it is only 12 inches or less in height and is less than 12 inches in diameter...hmmm
@Castelvetro...scientific reference please......
if we did have all those UV, then why can't you tan up here? while you can in the Caribbean?
tanning is given by UV
also don't forget that the inclination of the atmosphere causes the sun rays to bounce off thus decreasing the incidence.
other interesting little fact
plants up here don't get as potent as at the equator even in a cloudfree summer...gives you something to think about...
if we did have all those UV, then why can't you tan up here? while you can in the Caribbean?
tanning is given by UV
also don't forget that the inclination of the atmosphere causes the sun rays to bounce off thus decreasing the incidence.
other interesting little fact
plants up here don't get as potent as at the equator even in a cloudfree summer...gives you something to think about...
so are autoflowers more suited for micro grows? because i mean if you grew regular strains in the same containers you'd probably yield much more than an autoflower strain. yes? plus if you grew the autoflowers you'd have used all that soil and nutes and not as much yield or possible potency as a regular strain.
does this make any sense?
does this make any sense?
Castelvetro
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uv light burns skin, i get just as tan in spring in the north when its atleast 55 degrees as i do in the south when its 80, i never go in midday sun, when the uv goes below 4 i go outside for sun and darken up quick, if u want a red take midday sun, if u want a tan and not cancer causeing inflamation take sun after the uv is below a 4 but actually much better when its a 3 or 2, and when its one or as i prefer just below it u can stare straight into it for increased eye health and help your pituitary gland secrete anti hypogonadatrophic hormones better,human skin has very little if any uv needs, we want the spectrum much like a hps or warm halide bulb, not the metal halide or 6800k light, are skin just cant absorb it and what happens internally is the melanin molecule acuaully hooks under are skin and bends to protect itself, its during this hook that if you keep taking sun u get cancer, first sign being redness from inflammation which is heat caused from metabolic stagnation of light energy, if u start wisely useing light u can get a tan when its 30 degrees out unless your ethnicity is pure norhtern european.
the fact that u tan darker in the tropics is soley related to the fact that when the uv light drops your still left with 3000k light pumping at 80 degrees plus for a few hours were in the north the sun at that time has lost most of its power, ive lived in two tropical countries and in the north as well and one thing u must learn about light is it isnt completely factual is much more a clue, as im sure youve noticed when u take your plants out of your hps light n into your 6400k ones, as well as the fact that u can be in the tropics in the winter super bronzed up , fly home the next day and look at yourself in your local northern light and even before u had time to loose your tan your a differant color simply becasue the colors are differant were your at. color isnt factual. the uv light is stronger in the south though, by about 4-6 uv points on any given day as well as the infra red light stronger, tropical plants are your right always stronger then northern ones, i was just comenting origanlly on someone talking about ruderalis weekness due to its northern roots being only part true. bottom line is ruderlasis is pure junk and u could put it under a reptile light hours a day and nothing going to change, but theres plenty of uv light in the north and i find i burn much easier or as easy up norht as down south simply becasue your left with a mid-day high uv range of light for hours longer then the tropics each day.
the fact that u tan darker in the tropics is soley related to the fact that when the uv light drops your still left with 3000k light pumping at 80 degrees plus for a few hours were in the north the sun at that time has lost most of its power, ive lived in two tropical countries and in the north as well and one thing u must learn about light is it isnt completely factual is much more a clue, as im sure youve noticed when u take your plants out of your hps light n into your 6400k ones, as well as the fact that u can be in the tropics in the winter super bronzed up , fly home the next day and look at yourself in your local northern light and even before u had time to loose your tan your a differant color simply becasue the colors are differant were your at. color isnt factual. the uv light is stronger in the south though, by about 4-6 uv points on any given day as well as the infra red light stronger, tropical plants are your right always stronger then northern ones, i was just comenting origanlly on someone talking about ruderalis weekness due to its northern roots being only part true. bottom line is ruderlasis is pure junk and u could put it under a reptile light hours a day and nothing going to change, but theres plenty of uv light in the north and i find i burn much easier or as easy up norht as down south simply becasue your left with a mid-day high uv range of light for hours longer then the tropics each day.
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bromhexine
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all depends on the growers needs. sometimes putting a couple in an extra space in the veg room is worthwhile if theres extra space. sometimes people have height restrictions. a regular strain put in 12/12 from seed will stay short too though. the main benefit is when you have em in places where you cant limit the hours to 12/12 and want a fast harvest. also when you're in a climate that wont allow plants to ripen in time. theres plenty other applications too where these come in handy also newer strains are yeilding pretty well.
Here's the way I view it....
People view yield by plants but most breeders view it by yield per sq meter, or so it is on various seed banks.
Think about it like this.
Say you have 15 AFs in a sqr meter, that would yield say 2+ oz each outside. (Random number of plants)
Then in another sqr meter you put about 3-4 non autoflowers.... your total yield per sq meter would be similar but not a drastic difference.
Of course AF's yield less, they are smaller and finish quicker, but there's are some damn potent AF's out there... all of you who say AF's have no medical value or don't get you high, or isn't any better than a mexican brick high need to go grow an AF and then come back after they harvest and smoke.
People view yield by plants but most breeders view it by yield per sq meter, or so it is on various seed banks.
Think about it like this.
Say you have 15 AFs in a sqr meter, that would yield say 2+ oz each outside. (Random number of plants)
Then in another sqr meter you put about 3-4 non autoflowers.... your total yield per sq meter would be similar but not a drastic difference.
Of course AF's yield less, they are smaller and finish quicker, but there's are some damn potent AF's out there... all of you who say AF's have no medical value or don't get you high, or isn't any better than a mexican brick high need to go grow an AF and then come back after they harvest and smoke.
Castelvetro
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autos out yeild jsut about any strain out there grams per watt when u include space into the eqaution, ive done all the numbers n parameters, they outyield all trational varites when u factor in space used simply because many sqaure feet of most growers who clone use space that initself produces no weed. its just a fraction more smoke and its less potent so nobody really does it but they do yeild nobody can say they dont.
autos imo and ime arent better then good mexi, and also in my experiecne alot of top dollar stuff isnt better then mexi grown well. ive helped people grow there high end strains under 8000 watts and the smoke got top dollar, i still thought mexi was much better in the high department. smoked cali erb last winter, plenty of it aint no better then basic mexi thats grown well. not saying all , saying alot. and im def saying that autos are def not top notch smoke. if u think that your smoking good weed but not top nothc weed , which isnt an insult becasue its so hard to come by.
autos imo and ime arent better then good mexi, and also in my experiecne alot of top dollar stuff isnt better then mexi grown well. ive helped people grow there high end strains under 8000 watts and the smoke got top dollar, i still thought mexi was much better in the high department. smoked cali erb last winter, plenty of it aint no better then basic mexi thats grown well. not saying all , saying alot. and im def saying that autos are def not top notch smoke. if u think that your smoking good weed but not top nothc weed , which isnt an insult becasue its so hard to come by.
-scorpion-
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funny its just, I was smoking some diesel ryder earlier at my cousins and it hammered me to pieces i mean seriously bro?? where are you getting this shit? first hand experience?? if so get a heroin addiction cus ive struggled to find erb like that on the streets out here and theres alot i think auto's (only certain ones ) compete with ie ssh, sharks breath ect ect ect.....
there infact getting better and better imo but hey each to there own eh..
Castelvetro
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did u read my earlier post on this thread? no. ive grow diseal, one person that tried some of it said the same thing as me, its decent. the other wouldnt buy it becuase it wasnt good enough, grown outside in coco. bag appeal was there, i got props from the person who rejected it for how good it looked, the stink factor was there, alot of people liked it also i must admit, it depends on what your used to. i give it a 7- i think lowryder 2 was more powerful. decent smokes.
-scorpion-
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thats says it all you yourself give it a 7!
dont get me wrong here i love alot of 12/12s too im not auto only i have many strains, alot more non af strains then af strains but af's do the job and they do it good bro! theres no denying it! its like your saying ive been wasting all my time on garbage... they was your words wasnt they???
so there we have it i do agree the earlier releases lack potency, but the newer improved varietys are paving there way into our future..
peace -scorpion-
dont get me wrong here i love alot of 12/12s too im not auto only i have many strains, alot more non af strains then af strains but af's do the job and they do it good bro! theres no denying it! its like your saying ive been wasting all my time on garbage... they was your words wasnt they???
so there we have it i do agree the earlier releases lack potency, but the newer improved varietys are paving there way into our future..
peace -scorpion-
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