Thanks for the quick response. I checked the pH level of the water which came out of the buttom and its around 7.0 (I have those sticky things you dipp in)
Neem oil how often should I apply it per week?
Epson salt once per day is good enough?
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Thanks for the quick response. I checked the pH level of the water which came out of the buttom and its around 7.0 (I have those sticky things you dipp in)
Neem oil how often should I apply it per week?
Epson salt once per day is good enough?
With the neem I would only spray 1 time a week. But for a pest problem not to sure because knock on wood I have never gotten them. Have you pulled out a microscope to check for bugs and make sure you have a bug issue? I over using neem is never a good thing just like anything else.
I don't think you are gonna really notice a ph change coming out the bottom because as I said ph buffers to 7 in soil. I have also been a soil grower for almost 20 years now I just switched to coco because of the faster growth and u can yield as much in a 2 gallon bucket as you could yield in soil with a 5 gallon bucket.
If you try to adjust your ph do it slowly because if you try to adjust your ph to quickly and it swings one way or the other to fast u will have serious issues. Also and if I were you I would pick up a actual ph pen from eBay u can get a digital one for like 20 bucks off there or a better one for like 40 and a blue lab for a lot more. This way If you decide to ph your feed and water it will be dead on accurate and you don't have to guess if it's between 6 and 7.
But anyways with the epson salt I would foilar feed for a couple of days until you see improvements don't water it in the soil especially if you are locked out it would be pointless. Just pay attention to the leaves you will know when your plant is happy again once you straightened out your defiency. Plus IMO that you should really only try one thing at a time to try to make the plant happy. If you don't notice changes then try something else. You can cause more problems trying to many things just be patient and she will turn around for you. I am not referring to like the neem and epson salt that is fine to use in combo. Also what Aridbud is correct after you get the plant out of the lockout then feed with it once a week and I shouldn't ever have to worry about lockout.
Hey Aridbud wasn't trying to get into a pissing match either over ph'ing in soil i have also grown in promix only for about 20 years. I never use to ph anything but I always use to add lime to my soil and some woodash if i have it laying around before plants would even touch the soil. It seemed that I would never have a issue. Well the good thing is that you can buy advanced oh perfect line and it will give you a perfect ph. But if you add extras to it you will have to make sure to adjust it again. Other additives will throw that perfect ph out the window especially if you add humic acid or something else that will drop you ph or raise it.
I don't think you are gonna really notice a ph change coming out the bottom because as I said ph buffers to 7 in soil. I have also been a soil grower for almost 20 years now I just switched to coco because of the faster growth and u can yield as much in a 2 gallon bucket as you could yield in soil with a 5 gallon bucket.
If you try to adjust your ph do it slowly because if you try to adjust your ph to quickly and it swings one way or the other to fast u will have serious issues. Also and if I were you I would pick up a actual ph pen from eBay u can get a digital one for like 20 bucks off there or a better one for like 40 and a blue lab for a lot more. This way If you decide to ph your feed and water it will be dead on accurate and you don't have to guess if it's between 6 and 7.
But anyways with the epson salt I would foilar feed for a couple of days until you see improvements don't water it in the soil especially if you are locked out it would be pointless. Just pay attention to the leaves you will know when your plant is happy again once you straightened out your defiency. Plus IMO that you should really only try one thing at a time to try to make the plant happy. If you don't notice changes then try something else. You can cause more problems trying to many things just be patient and she will turn around for you. I am not referring to like the neem and epson salt that is fine to use in combo. Also what Aridbud is correct after you get the plant out of the lockout then feed with it once a week and I shouldn't ever have to worry about lockout.
Hey Aridbud wasn't trying to get into a pissing match either over ph'ing in soil i have also grown in promix only for about 20 years. I never use to ph anything but I always use to add lime to my soil and some woodash if i have it laying around before plants would even touch the soil. It seemed that I would never have a issue. Well the good thing is that you can buy advanced oh perfect line and it will give you a perfect ph. But if you add extras to it you will have to make sure to adjust it again. Other additives will throw that perfect ph out the window especially if you add humic acid or something else that will drop you ph or raise it.
Let me rephrase about never having a pest problem I actually got gnats for the first time this year the little dirtbags that they are. I knocked them out though with neem, zero tolerance and dr. Doom fogger.
Edit: If you do google should I ph nutrients and water for soil u will get confused because u will see that some will say no need and some will say yes. I guess it's just preference I meet out in nature when plants grow wild they don't ph themselve.LOl. you will also see that soil has a much wider ph range than any other medium and is more forgiving than any other style of growing. Also if you google it you might become confused because you will find some will say to ph and some will say no. Peat is a natural buffer so are beneficials/bacteria that are in any good soil. Adding lime will always make sure that you ph stays more towards the 7.0 ph that most soil sits at. I also must offer that when using super soil people don't ph the water or if they give it a tea for feed when all the nutrients come out of the amended soil they don't ph. Check out farmer John 420 on YouTube he is a great grower that grows in super soil.
Unless you are flushing the hell out of your plants all the time you soil should stay optimum and if you add microrizzae and beneficial bacteria you should be fine for ph buffers. Put it this way because I don't want to argue or start a pissing match you will read mix results about ph'ing feed and water. Except if growing in happy frog or ocean forest because inhabenheard there soil breaks down faster than others on the market and in flower you will run into a issue that is why I don't buy soil with slow release ferts in it.
I'll do a test with my next flowering plants being I do have promix left I'll put some plants in my coco and some plants in soil. I'll flower my plants out without using any ph buffers and just feed straight water and nutrients. I'll run my humboldt line of nutrients that doesn't have any ph buffers in it and we will see how the plants turn out. Just a little expirement I'll do just for you. I'll come back to this thread when I actually start doing it.
I guess you really can't rely on that because I guess there will really be no way anyone would really know that I don't ph anything unless u take my word for it and trust that is what I am doing. But I promise you I wont ph anything except for my plants in coco. These are tester plants that I am gonna flower out so if I wasn't 100% sure that my plants wouldn't get fucked up I would even do it. I know that I have never needed to ph before in soil so I have no problems growing the plants without adjusting anything and I'll use my tap water.
Not trying to argue with anyone or say anyone's method is wrong we will just see if the results I get wether I expirerience lock out or any other deficiency when I don't ph anything in promix and I won't add lime or anything else to ammend my soil with with. I will just be feeding with humboldt 3 part line and ginormous, cal/mg , humic/ fulvic, and white widow or zho and we will see my results. I'll most likely be able to start the thread in December when current flowering plants finish up and new testers go in. Also cyklo keep in mind with nutes and everything else less is more even with watering less is more until your plants have a big root system. Auto's aren't needy plants either they don't need to be pounded with nutrients to make them thrive all they need is a decent size pot to start in some good water, light feedings and a decent light and they will take off for you. Look at my albums cyklo and look at my picture of my blueberry bud picture that plant I grew my last grow without ph'ing anything and I used the technaflora recipe for sucess kit now I am almost positive that technaflora doesn't have any buffers added to it. I'll have to check my bottles I have left and make sure 100% they don't have buffers in them.
Well say tuned cyklo I'll do the test grow just for you to show you I won't ph nothing when I flower some of my plants out in soil.
Peace mike
Edit: If you do google should I ph nutrients and water for soil u will get confused because u will see that some will say no need and some will say yes. I guess it's just preference I meet out in nature when plants grow wild they don't ph themselve.LOl. you will also see that soil has a much wider ph range than any other medium and is more forgiving than any other style of growing. Also if you google it you might become confused because you will find some will say to ph and some will say no. Peat is a natural buffer so are beneficials/bacteria that are in any good soil. Adding lime will always make sure that you ph stays more towards the 7.0 ph that most soil sits at. I also must offer that when using super soil people don't ph the water or if they give it a tea for feed when all the nutrients come out of the amended soil they don't ph. Check out farmer John 420 on YouTube he is a great grower that grows in super soil.
Unless you are flushing the hell out of your plants all the time you soil should stay optimum and if you add microrizzae and beneficial bacteria you should be fine for ph buffers. Put it this way because I don't want to argue or start a pissing match you will read mix results about ph'ing feed and water. Except if growing in happy frog or ocean forest because inhabenheard there soil breaks down faster than others on the market and in flower you will run into a issue that is why I don't buy soil with slow release ferts in it.
I'll do a test with my next flowering plants being I do have promix left I'll put some plants in my coco and some plants in soil. I'll flower my plants out without using any ph buffers and just feed straight water and nutrients. I'll run my humboldt line of nutrients that doesn't have any ph buffers in it and we will see how the plants turn out. Just a little expirement I'll do just for you. I'll come back to this thread when I actually start doing it.
I guess you really can't rely on that because I guess there will really be no way anyone would really know that I don't ph anything unless u take my word for it and trust that is what I am doing. But I promise you I wont ph anything except for my plants in coco. These are tester plants that I am gonna flower out so if I wasn't 100% sure that my plants wouldn't get fucked up I would even do it. I know that I have never needed to ph before in soil so I have no problems growing the plants without adjusting anything and I'll use my tap water.
Not trying to argue with anyone or say anyone's method is wrong we will just see if the results I get wether I expirerience lock out or any other deficiency when I don't ph anything in promix and I won't add lime or anything else to ammend my soil with with. I will just be feeding with humboldt 3 part line and ginormous, cal/mg , humic/ fulvic, and white widow or zho and we will see my results. I'll most likely be able to start the thread in December when current flowering plants finish up and new testers go in. Also cyklo keep in mind with nutes and everything else less is more even with watering less is more until your plants have a big root system. Auto's aren't needy plants either they don't need to be pounded with nutrients to make them thrive all they need is a decent size pot to start in some good water, light feedings and a decent light and they will take off for you. Look at my albums cyklo and look at my picture of my blueberry bud picture that plant I grew my last grow without ph'ing anything and I used the technaflora recipe for sucess kit now I am almost positive that technaflora doesn't have any buffers added to it. I'll have to check my bottles I have left and make sure 100% they don't have buffers in them.
Well say tuned cyklo I'll do the test grow just for you to show you I won't ph nothing when I flower some of my plants out in soil.
Peace mike
Cyclo, I wish you all the BEST in growing and seems I'm interfering with sage advice of others.
You'll get the hang of it!!!
To answer additional queries, check out and scroll through the CANNABIS INFIRMARY forum here on ICmag as there's those with similar problems growing in soil and solutions/suggestions may not confuse you as much as I've obviously suggested. 40 yrs of growing, being in the nursery biz for 10 yrs....guess it doesn't account for much. GROW ON!!! 
You'll get the hang of it!!!
To answer additional queries, check out and scroll through the CANNABIS INFIRMARY forum here on ICmag as there's those with similar problems growing in soil and solutions/suggestions may not confuse you as much as I've obviously suggested. 40 yrs of growing, being in the nursery biz for 10 yrs....guess it doesn't account for much. GROW ON!!! 
If you are doing organic web growing you shouldnt have to ph your water or teas. Your garden does not seem to be organic though. Even in organic growing you can add (not ph up or down) buffers as needed to adjust your soils PH. Unless you are totally confident on what a bag of dirt tells you on its label you should adjust the PH every single time you feed or water. Havent you heard of a HOT bag of soil? The ph of my nute mix before i PH is in the high 4's. That is pretty damn acidy if you ask me. Avoid the guessing game and adjust your ph.
Edit: I only say your garden isnt organic because you bought your bag of dirt instead of making it with all the correct amendments.
Edit: I only say your garden isnt organic because you bought your bag of dirt instead of making it with all the correct amendments.
Since your comment was directed at me chubby nugs. Like I said different strokes for different folks. I don't care if my soil is organic or not I know what I have grown and know that I didn't have to adjust shit and my crop never had any issues. So what if you feed ph's at 4 that is what buffers are for it will automatically balance it out. So regardless you grow your way which I didn't claim was wrong. I just stated in my expierence of growing in soil I never had to adjust ph.
Also granted I have been growing since before the days you can read tips on the internet before I ever heard of ph'in nutes and water and never had a issue or lockout. This was when I was growing with peters 20-20-20 ya that's right you don't see that shit anymore and also for flower peters blossom booster. That shit runs really low on a ph just like using miracle grow or something like that. The problem most people run into now a days is trying to over feed the shit out of there plants. That's where a lot of the issue with growing in soil come into play.
Like I said cyklo I will show u when I put my current plants into flower I'll do most in coco and the rest promix with no ph'ing and let's see if I expierence any lock out or problems. I a, done explaining myself. Watch and see
Also granted I have been growing since before the days you can read tips on the internet before I ever heard of ph'in nutes and water and never had a issue or lockout. This was when I was growing with peters 20-20-20 ya that's right you don't see that shit anymore and also for flower peters blossom booster. That shit runs really low on a ph just like using miracle grow or something like that. The problem most people run into now a days is trying to over feed the shit out of there plants. That's where a lot of the issue with growing in soil come into play.
Like I said cyklo I will show u when I put my current plants into flower I'll do most in coco and the rest promix with no ph'ing and let's see if I expierence any lock out or problems. I a, done explaining myself. Watch and see
Sorry mike my comment was towards Cyklo. Mike, I am not hating on the way you are growing dude. Different strokes for different folks. I have grown lots and lots of plants the way you are growing. No ph'ing of anything and getting good results.
Mike do you grow in coco without ph'ing as well?
Ok cool chubby I thought that was directed towards me that's why I hate messages and text messages even. Lol. I wasn't trying to fight with anyone just pointing out what I have done.
Growing in coco no I ph everything I am still trying to figure out the best methods for coco and trying to lock a method down. I have a 3 plants all from one breeder and one pheno type I just can't keep it happy at all. All my other plants are loving life in coco but this one pheno of it. It makes me kinda miss growing in soil less work.
With coco I tried to feed everyday and some plants loved it others showed leaf droop from the constant moisture. So now For some I am watering/feeding like soil almost trying to almost giving it a dry period even though I don't think coco will ever dry out like soil does. Well i am sure it will but not in 3 days. Wierd trying to figure what plants need.
Another issue I was having my first time in coco was kinda like one of your comments about do you trust what you see on the bag. Well I did and didn't rinse/flush the coco and started having drastic ph drops and salt build up. So needless to say ill be flushing and washing my coco from now on. Next time I grow in coco I am gonna get advanced nutrients sensi a & b ph perfect for coco I am tired of trying to adjust my feed and water even though I know when I ad additives I'll have to adjust it anyways.
Peace mike
Growing in coco no I ph everything I am still trying to figure out the best methods for coco and trying to lock a method down. I have a 3 plants all from one breeder and one pheno type I just can't keep it happy at all. All my other plants are loving life in coco but this one pheno of it. It makes me kinda miss growing in soil less work.
With coco I tried to feed everyday and some plants loved it others showed leaf droop from the constant moisture. So now For some I am watering/feeding like soil almost trying to almost giving it a dry period even though I don't think coco will ever dry out like soil does. Well i am sure it will but not in 3 days. Wierd trying to figure what plants need.
Another issue I was having my first time in coco was kinda like one of your comments about do you trust what you see on the bag. Well I did and didn't rinse/flush the coco and started having drastic ph drops and salt build up. So needless to say ill be flushing and washing my coco from now on. Next time I grow in coco I am gonna get advanced nutrients sensi a & b ph perfect for coco I am tired of trying to adjust my feed and water even though I know when I ad additives I'll have to adjust it anyways.
Peace mike
Hello guys its been over 2 weeks and I want to show you a update.
The Upgrade to 4 Gallon was worth my plant doubled in size.
Also I cut off all the yellow and brown leafes and it gave her stronger boost.... Whoever said its not good to repot auto's i highly disagree... It solved my plant from the root bound!!!!
Should I start cutting off the leaves which do not make buds?
I'm thinking to make a video maybe so u guys can tell me what i should do now.... Another 5-6 Weeks budding i guess?
I have a problem with humidity though its at 60 all the time even if i leave the AC running... Should I buy a dehumidifier?
PICTURE HERE:
http://share.pho.to/4Arsg
The Upgrade to 4 Gallon was worth my plant doubled in size.
Also I cut off all the yellow and brown leafes and it gave her stronger boost.... Whoever said its not good to repot auto's i highly disagree... It solved my plant from the root bound!!!!
Should I start cutting off the leaves which do not make buds?
I'm thinking to make a video maybe so u guys can tell me what i should do now.... Another 5-6 Weeks budding i guess?
I have a problem with humidity though its at 60 all the time even if i leave the AC running... Should I buy a dehumidifier?
PICTURE HERE:
http://share.pho.to/4Arsg
Well you can up pot autos but they suggest that you don't because you can stunt them bad breeders will tell you that. Now if you can do it without breaking roots or shocking then plant than that is great u won't stress it out so much. She looks nice and healthy Looks like she has turned right around for ya. If you are gonna have high humidity and can afford a Dehumidifier then get one. 60% for flower is a little high but if you have really good airflow I wouldn't worry to much about it. I think the humidity will play a factor in mold or bud rot without proper airflow. Plus IMHO that spider mites will thrive in higher humidity especially in flower.
So humidity is now at 35 bought a good dehumidifer for 88 dollars on ebay perfect!
Use it for my bathroom as well a lifesavior
I think i did something retarded.... I think i flushed my plants too much
Someone told me its good to flush the plants twice during flowering.
So i took the plant to the shower and I feed her lots lots lots of water like 10 gallons or so .... didnt feed her any nuts after that and 1 week later some of my leafs started to yellow and brown.
I think i did a mistake
Pics:
PICTURE HERE:
http://share.pho.to/4HAFx
What should I do now? Start nuts again ? Not feed her for a while?
Use it for my bathroom as well a lifesavior
I think i did something retarded.... I think i flushed my plants too much
Someone told me its good to flush the plants twice during flowering.
So i took the plant to the shower and I feed her lots lots lots of water like 10 gallons or so .... didnt feed her any nuts after that and 1 week later some of my leafs started to yellow and brown.
I think i did a mistake
Pics:
PICTURE HERE:
http://share.pho.to/4HAFx
What should I do now? Start nuts again ? Not feed her for a while?
doobieashtray
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You can transplant autos but you should do it before the tap root hits the bottom and be very careful..Up pot is what I do helps with reg seeds ..if you make a mistake it may take a week for it to get back on track ...I put down a layer of jellyfish or a rooter before and I dont get a shock..but if you have fem seeds just plant in their forever home from the start..Peace
doobieashtray
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