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Classy@Home
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Toes.
Alright!, great turn out.
So far I've been paraphrasing from the book The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. Authors of Secrets of the Soil
My opinion, yes they are.
I eat the "womb" of an apple tree. I don't know why they taste so good, but they do. Those tasty apple wombs almost know what my palette will find appealing, and want me to ingest their crisp, sweet, nutritious fruit. Perhaps the Apple understands, by making itself desirable to me, I will preserve it's DNA for as long as I live.
Plants know exactly what they are doing... Especially the Cannabis plant.
Thinking outside my small closet grow, more on a global scale, the cannabis plant has achieved great success spreading it's seed.
Anti-cannabis campaigns have totally wiped out certain varieties and nearly the species all together. Yet the cunning cannabis plant goes underground and makes itself even more desirable by learning what we want from them, (i.e. trichome covered sex organs) inspiring breeders and connoisseurs and closet hobby growers and mass market charlatans, all together, spreading the ganja genes worldwide.
Maybe if the plant only produced a single offspring, even two, and nursed them for a year, and coddled them for the next 18... maybe it would have human like emotions, like mammals do for their young. However. one plant is capable of making 100's of thousands of seeds a life cycle, then it dies. Which makes me believe their emotions are on a different level than ours.
I haven't figured out the whole torture thing... When I top a plant, I just pretend the plant "thinks" a grasshopper ate it. During low stress training the plant "thinks" a windstorm blew a large branch across it's stem, then another across its side branches. But, perhaps the plant simply allows me to torture it, kill the male gender, chop it down, dry it's virgin flowers and smoke them because she knows... that is what I want.
So far I've been paraphrasing from the book The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. Authors of Secrets of the Soil
My opinion, yes they are.
I eat the "womb" of an apple tree. I don't know why they taste so good, but they do. Those tasty apple wombs almost know what my palette will find appealing, and want me to ingest their crisp, sweet, nutritious fruit. Perhaps the Apple understands, by making itself desirable to me, I will preserve it's DNA for as long as I live.
Plants know exactly what they are doing... Especially the Cannabis plant.
Thinking outside my small closet grow, more on a global scale, the cannabis plant has achieved great success spreading it's seed.
Anti-cannabis campaigns have totally wiped out certain varieties and nearly the species all together. Yet the cunning cannabis plant goes underground and makes itself even more desirable by learning what we want from them, (i.e. trichome covered sex organs) inspiring breeders and connoisseurs and closet hobby growers and mass market charlatans, all together, spreading the ganja genes worldwide.
Maybe if the plant only produced a single offspring, even two, and nursed them for a year, and coddled them for the next 18... maybe it would have human like emotions, like mammals do for their young. However. one plant is capable of making 100's of thousands of seeds a life cycle, then it dies. Which makes me believe their emotions are on a different level than ours.
I haven't figured out the whole torture thing... When I top a plant, I just pretend the plant "thinks" a grasshopper ate it. During low stress training the plant "thinks" a windstorm blew a large branch across it's stem, then another across its side branches. But, perhaps the plant simply allows me to torture it, kill the male gender, chop it down, dry it's virgin flowers and smoke them because she knows... that is what I want.
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Toes.
Warped1 thanks a lot, I think.
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Iron_Lion
Toes, you need to get ahold of the documentary or the book called "Botany Of Desire". I think you'd like it, its all about how certain certain plants, of their own design have lured humans and animals to help move them up the evolutionary ladder.
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Classy@Home
The doc is on Netflix - the parts about apples and marijuana were really cool...
uh...why wouldn't some plants just take over?
the poppy could have all of us on our knees...the ephedra on our toes...the coca plant in our nose...or the nightshade have us in our death throes?
because they are not sentient...ever hear of a plant being philathropic, creating art, or calculating the depth of the universe? di'nt think so.
think about reactions to threats...are they contemplated before being carried out? no, it's a natural (instinctual) fight or flight action in response to threat...vestiges of which every organism may possess.
these are only my opinions, believe what you will, however i do apologize to my girls before the darkness of eternity envelopes them.
the poppy could have all of us on our knees...the ephedra on our toes...the coca plant in our nose...or the nightshade have us in our death throes?
because they are not sentient...ever hear of a plant being philathropic, creating art, or calculating the depth of the universe? di'nt think so.
think about reactions to threats...are they contemplated before being carried out? no, it's a natural (instinctual) fight or flight action in response to threat...vestiges of which every organism may possess.
these are only my opinions, believe what you will, however i do apologize to my girls before the darkness of eternity envelopes them.
The plants have taken over. Because they gave ancient man a desired effect, it kept geting replanted.
And the rest is history.
And the rest is history.
Here it is streaming from the PBS website:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1283872815
This is an amazing documentary, totally recommend it! One of the 4 plants they talk about is cannabis, too.
a more relevant query might be:
are dreadlocks sentient?
Humans evolved big, heavy brains that hog quite a bit of the body's resources. The big, resource hogging brain allows us to have consciousness. Consciousness has some advantages that make the brains resource allocation acceptable.
For plants to think they would need the equipment to do so, a place to store memory, etc. Lacking such, they are incapable of higher functioning such as thoughts, memories, identity or consciousness.
For plants to think they would need the equipment to do so, a place to store memory, etc. Lacking such, they are incapable of higher functioning such as thoughts, memories, identity or consciousness.
plants are sentient in that they sense
they sense light and grow towards it as well as react to environmental cues
they are not conscious of their sentience or do they choose their actions in their sentience as we can and do
the venus fly trap is sentient in that it can sense prey and react to it
they sense light and grow towards it as well as react to environmental cues
they are not conscious of their sentience or do they choose their actions in their sentience as we can and do
the venus fly trap is sentient in that it can sense prey and react to it
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Toes.
Here it is streaming from the PBS website:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1283872815
This is an amazing documentary, totally recommend it! One of the 4 plants they talk about is cannabis, too.
Iron_Lion... great idea. never seen it.
watching it now thanks to Wiggs Dannyboy.
singularity
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only thing i would add to this is we dont know enough to make definitive statements.
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pine boy
Would the roots of plants be concidered simular to the structure of our resource hogging brain?
Each of us are one of many.Helpless to our fate.We can change the small things but the big picture is each of us is completly guilded by some entity.Not in our control.
Same as the plants in our gardens.Treat them kindly and with utmost respect and you will see that they know you, as you know them
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Toes.
Resource hog LOL like Microsoft Vista.
What if Plants have evolved a more efficient way. Billions of roots growing towards the center of the Earth kinda resemble a brains axons and dendrites.
Would the roots of plants be concidered simular to the structure of our resource hogging brain?
Each of us are one of many.Helpless to our fate.We can change the small things but the big picture is each of us is completly guilded by some entity.Not in our control.
Same as the plants in our gardens.Treat them kindly and with utmost respect and you will see that they know you, as you know them
I treat my "ladies" very well. I take care with them and I feel bad when I have to cut them off at the base and hang them to dry. Then I fire up one of their older "sisters" and I remember why I am doing it.
I feel bad when I drop one of my plants because it is a living thing. I do not believe that it has feelings or thoughts, however.
It is anthropomorphism to believe otherwise without some kind of evidence to support it. Do you have any? I have none.
I agree with you that they do kinda resemble the picture you posted.
However, plants evolved BEFORE humans. In fact, plants and humans have a common ancestor. They are "us" in a very real (and somewhat metaphorical) sense. The cells of our bodies were once the cells of living plants.
If plants are capable of consciousness and thought, it's kind of amazing that animals would spend billions of years evolving brains and complex sense organs if the "technology" for thought and consciousness had evolved first, over a billion years ago, in our distant cousins in a much more simple and efficient way.
We are the organism that thinks and experiences things subjectively. So we naturally we are uniquely focused on intelligence and consciousness and want to see it all around us. This is egotism.
Also, I don't know if anybody bothered to read it, but in my first post in this thread, the popular (ish) television program "Mythbusters" ran several different experiments with EEG and Polygraph and only got "hits" with either when there was a human present in the room. Once they removed humans from the experimental environment, there were no more "hits" on the EEG or polygraph, though the plants were still being stimulated in the same ways. (And even with a human present, there were only "hits" about 30% of the time.)
It's romantic to believe that your plants love you, but lets see some evidence, please.
