I do this because I grow for myself, in my basement, and don't give a shit about other people growing any size large or small now or in the future. My product is as good as if not better than what's our there. It's mostly organic and properly flushed loved cannabis that I will continue to enjoy and grow until I die. screw mexico, their drug gangs, and the crap they send across the border, my stuff is much better. I believe there are a lot of others like this here and they will also continue regardless of the legalize it outcome. Grow, cure, smoke your own. Peace and respect and keep those wonderful seed strains available for us basement growers, we love it.
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Are big facilities going to put basement grower at unemployment?
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well if cannabis farming gets taken out im going into tuna farming! one tuna farm down in san diego made 10 million dollars last year....forget the "green rush" its the "sushi rush" lol
A interesting point of view, on this subject, from a old timer @ the 2012 Emerald cup in Humboldt county.
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more anti legalization talk from the drug czar....the feds are making it clear they dont favor legalization. the comment section is pretty interesting, with some claiming the administration is simply "stalling" while big pharma figures out how to patent and take over the entire industry for themselves...
Kerlikowske had stern words for legalization, which is often painted as a solution to the public health and budget woes caused by drug use. “The Obama Administration strongly believes it is a false choice,” he said, and not “ground in science.”
“Medicinal marijuana has never been through the FDA process,” he added. “We have the world’s most renowned process to decide what is medicine and what should go in peoples’ bodies. And marijuana has never been through that process.”
Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/201...dical-marijuana-during-sf-event#ixzz2HwPDzCRz
Kerlikowske had stern words for legalization, which is often painted as a solution to the public health and budget woes caused by drug use. “The Obama Administration strongly believes it is a false choice,” he said, and not “ground in science.”
“Medicinal marijuana has never been through the FDA process,” he added. “We have the world’s most renowned process to decide what is medicine and what should go in peoples’ bodies. And marijuana has never been through that process.”
Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/201...dical-marijuana-during-sf-event#ixzz2HwPDzCRz
Hey Kerlikowske: There's a reason medical marijuana has not been through the FDA approval process: Because your Executive Branch won't allow the studies to be conducted. Dummy.
The FDA process requires lots of studies, including later-phase trials involving actual humans. But to do a study of cannabis, you need a permit from the DEA, and they routinely refuse to grant the research permit. [Plus, good luck getting funding; most drug studies are funded by pharmaceutical companies, and they aren't interested in something they can't patent].
So here's where we stand: The feds won't allow FDA research studies, then the feds use the lack of FDA research studies to justify their argument that MMJ has no acceptable medical use.
This argument that MMJ has not been through the FDA process is such a bullshit Catch-22, and someone should call out the prohibitionists on this every time the argument is made.
The FDA process requires lots of studies, including later-phase trials involving actual humans. But to do a study of cannabis, you need a permit from the DEA, and they routinely refuse to grant the research permit. [Plus, good luck getting funding; most drug studies are funded by pharmaceutical companies, and they aren't interested in something they can't patent].
So here's where we stand: The feds won't allow FDA research studies, then the feds use the lack of FDA research studies to justify their argument that MMJ has no acceptable medical use.
This argument that MMJ has not been through the FDA process is such a bullshit Catch-22, and someone should call out the prohibitionists on this every time the argument is made.
That's a really good question mpd. I'm wondering the same thing because those who's opinions I thought I was protecting say things that make me think they don't agree.
I must agree there... to a point.
I don't want people to be left with a high yielding strain saying "Where's the beef?".
Of course farmers are happy because they yield more.
What you fail to recognize is many consumers (and ganja growers) don't give a hoot how much the yield was if it isn't good to consume.
As soon as we buy the lesser valued product we begin the wheels of capitalism.
Soon you will be able to point to millions of people buying crap weed and saying "We demanded it."
I will disagree.
hot house beefsteaks are readily available at wal mart by the ton.
"organic" lemon boy and Mr. Stripey are available at local grocers.
real organic millionaire and black from tula are available at the local farmers market.
i grew some insane brandywines and last year and a nature's riddle.
you should see the small batch heirloom corn available!
no one is forced to buy eat "passion II" but they sure do love those foot long ears with zero bad spots and sugar content off the charts.
i prefer something that actually tastes like corn. so i buy that.
i realize it costs the farmer a bit more to produce. so i have to pay more for it.
i prefer grass fed beef. i buy a cow at the county fair every year so that i know where it came from.
i could buy feed lot beef cheaper.
i like my steaks dry aged. i bought an old rockstar energy drink fridge and use it to hang beef in.
choices abound...
my thing about legalization is there is really nothing to lose except the artificial inflation of prohibition.
it's not like they are going to make it more illegal.
it's a federal crime for anyone to possess marijuana.
if that changed tomorrow to anyone is allowed to possess and no one is allowed to grow it is still a net positive.
unless they actually invent double secret probation?
"organic" lemon boy and Mr. Stripey are available at local grocers.
real organic millionaire and black from tula are available at the local farmers market.
i grew some insane brandywines and last year and a nature's riddle.
you should see the small batch heirloom corn available!
no one is forced to buy eat "passion II" but they sure do love those foot long ears with zero bad spots and sugar content off the charts.
i prefer something that actually tastes like corn. so i buy that.
i realize it costs the farmer a bit more to produce. so i have to pay more for it.
i prefer grass fed beef. i buy a cow at the county fair every year so that i know where it came from.
i could buy feed lot beef cheaper.
i like my steaks dry aged. i bought an old rockstar energy drink fridge and use it to hang beef in.
choices abound...
my thing about legalization is there is really nothing to lose except the artificial inflation of prohibition.
it's not like they are going to make it more illegal.
it's a federal crime for anyone to possess marijuana.
if that changed tomorrow to anyone is allowed to possess and no one is allowed to grow it is still a net positive.
unless they actually invent double secret probation?
What about the fake inflation of legality?
I know you also drink top shelf brandy.
You must make more than most of America because they can't afford it...
And it's not because they don't want it... rather they'd probably prefer it.
After prohibition dropped off and legal booze dominates why are you paying so much for what you want?
I'm sorry... not what you want... what you DEMAND.
"Net postive" my ugly ass! You know as well as I do that five years of a dominant market in shit equals zero stake for the better grade.
But wait... WHAT??... We can't grow so exactly what is positive??
Monsanto growing ALL the cannabis?
Why aren't you aware that Monsanto and Merck are hated more than the dollars they rule???!!!! For every schmuck who pays in fifty bucks for synthesized naturally occuring plant genes there's an angry vote.
Your dollars will always equal more of a number than the number of suckers...
Represent man! Or maybe you are... nobody really backs me publically either.
What is it people??
Represent man.
Why don't you just say "is available" instead of "DEMAND"?
net positive like this
right now it is illegal for ANYONE to possess. that is a negative(-1)
right now it is illegal for ANYONE to grow. that is a negative(-1)
at its simplest that is two negatives.
possession is legalized tomorrow (+1)
and growing is still illegal. (-1)
see what i mean?
they arent going to make growing any more illegal than it is today.
lets say your nightmare becomes a reality.
are you going to stop growing?
im not
no one here is.
most likely we will face less draconian punishment if caught.
will you run right out and buy rupp?
i sure wont.
ill grow heirloom just like i do.
maybe the high end seeds will cost $$$ for a pack. ohh wait that is now.
so yea if people who otherwise would suffer their maladies without cannabis now can even is growing remains illegal it's a net positive.
i know an old man in southern MS right now who is suffering from terminal prostate cancer.
the only thing preventing from alleviating his suffering with cannabis is law.
would i have given up growing forever(not just as law but truly never grown again)if i could have included cannabis in my grandmothers hospice boxes?
goddamn right!
but her belief in adherence to the law was the preventer.
i think about the everyday person who does not give two shits about the latest SSSDXOGXKQ ibl cookies nonsense.
just the busch drinkers.
we will still grow regardless of what the law says. so yeah ending prision for possession is a BIG HUGE fucking net positive.
The only thing keeping this in check is Monsanto NOT being able to grow either.
That keeps them out of our game all together.
As soon as they can you're damn well assured we cannot UNLESS it's their PATENTED (read LEGAL) genes.
Why are you dodging the fact that you could sell out our game at cost?
That keeps them out of our game all together.
As soon as they can you're damn well assured we cannot UNLESS it's their PATENTED (read LEGAL) genes.
Why are you dodging the fact that you could sell out our game at cost?
the world's most renowned process?? ROFLMAO!
translation: if your bribe is big enough FDA will approve anything for human consumption.
the world's most renowned process for medical reviews is in Israel, and incidentally, also the leader in scientific/medical research of Cannabis, and it is an accepted and legal medicine on a national level.
why do they always pick some ignorant dumbass to be the drug czar in the U.S?
rethoric question, the answer is obvious.
why do they always pick some ignorant dumbass to be the drug czar in the U.S?
rethoric question, the answer is obvious.
Im willing to sell our game lock stock and barrel for the price of their freedom.
Like I said they arent going to make it more illegal and im not going to stop growing. I wont be buying Monsanto genetics.
No matter how dominant they become ill still buy heirloom seed.
are you telling me that you think heirloom cannabis will no longer exist?
Do you really believe growers will just stop growing because the law says so?
Or
Are you willing to sell the average user into bondage so you can keep "your scene"?
Are you willing to look at your fellow man and tell him "your freedom is the price for my profit"?
Have you considered a career in derivatives trading?
Like I said they arent going to make it more illegal and im not going to stop growing. I wont be buying Monsanto genetics.
No matter how dominant they become ill still buy heirloom seed.
are you telling me that you think heirloom cannabis will no longer exist?
Do you really believe growers will just stop growing because the law says so?
Or
Are you willing to sell the average user into bondage so you can keep "your scene"?
Are you willing to look at your fellow man and tell him "your freedom is the price for my profit"?
Have you considered a career in derivatives trading?
skull and roses
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Ya lets let the plant we love this industry we have created for generations, all of the growers who have done time and risked everything all to let some corporate fucks set up a system that works for them. A system that will ultimatly still have high marijuana arrests for driving and other restrictions that will be put in place, ya lets let them design our legalization. Give me a fucking break!!! Most of the people that have gone to jail for real time and been hurt the most are growers and growers by in large want a system that organizes us and keeps the industry on the growers behalf, not fucking Wall Street, Monsanto, or the very people that have been against it. Legalization is worth fighting for when its done to help all of the American growers and workers not some corporate giveaway bullshit!!!
I buy heirloom seed as well. You may have noticed that many heirloom varieties of corn have GMO crap ass genes in them now.
Those strains will never recover and I consider that a damn shame.
That is a lesson in: Once you fuck it up it's gone for good.... a lesson many still have to learn.
I'm fairly certain you are aware of my intent in this thread.
Please stop painting me as a greedy selfish profiteer.
I'm not selling anybody into bondage. OUR laws do that.
I am willing to look at my fellow man and say "I'm concerned for posterity... we don't have a great track record for putting the right way before profits. Maybe we should look before we leap."
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howdy
how you do?
such scene to profit most within prohibition am keen to think more profit within big pharma, big textiles, and big oil and such and such
cannabis compete to almost all industry
with respect to medicine
profit with respect to patent pill is astronomical
many suffering of various ailment go to debt or not receive adequate treatments with respect to cost to prohibit
with respect to legalization always only to discuss medicine, rather medicine small segment within lovely cannabis
fuel textile pulppaper to dwarf profit within medicine to analysis economy form within each
at where to discuss end to prohibition with respect to cannabis and fuel, multiple hectare cannabis with respect to fuel and textile and pulppaper?
Legal with limit is not freedom
freedom not has bounds
medicine indeed great of cannabis, perhap focus to shift with respect to not pacification
at how to make someone to do something? create options for such and such and appear for it as the choice of chooser
to create field to play such game
is your individual thinks and choice or what you are teach to choose and choice? universal being is more great than simple medicine
cannabis heal of the universes with respect to energy, positive energy
cannabis to compete with incredible effect to big business, such business to operate with not equal competition rather such company operate with monopoly
cannabis legal without limit or is not legal such is law to universal being....never to become complacent with pacifications to you heart within love
net positive is for cannabis to become free and not stipulate
anything other is negative
single negative within many positive remain negative
total positive!
with respect to std.oil, monsanto, merck, and such and such at how to derive energy? such to cultivate positive energy am not to think, rather parasite to energy
example monsanto for remain within cannabis and to topic
indeed choice to garden within heirloom preference, such individual human within market to determine option to choice indeed
with respect to natural natural environment, such micro scale with respect to universe....earth....to segment more? indeed continents to vary, similar altitude, photoperiod spectrum, air quality, such variable infinite at how to consider and focus thinks
am keen for analysis with respect to soil environment
as above, so below
monsanto not originate to being seed company, not genetic modification, not roundup however am focus with such and at how to trend
similar at how to trend monsanto to arrive at roundup
am keen to measure total sum not point to point within
all being adapt within comfort, such thinks with respect to monsanto to make money, however similar at how technology they are to use is parasitic in nature which to say only benefit parasite not host
roundup not supreme example to infinite being with respect to parasite, such to adapt
adapt with respect to create specific genetic modify seed for combine to such poison
we are to think choice to option available indeed, within this moment....such moment is only to exist
within such moment we are not to become separate from mother earth, not separate of other humans with positive vibration, not separate of vibrate positive energy within universes
ocean is create of small drops to water
similar with respect to energy cultivation and balance
negative and positive cultivate with drops
am not to judge, such one preference to opinion
am to measure of whole actions rather to individual moment within moment
roundup drops even if we are not to choice actual are change to ocean, soil, earth, universe
drops
many environment are change such to adapt of the poison, and am keen to think eventual goal is for monsanto to change actual landscape and natural environment....one perspective gurt technology for thinks
such to trend with adapt and business model they are to preference
parasitic
am not parasite
am not keen to such landscape at where within natural environment is manipulate with poison to only accept such and such patent genetic modify such and such
indeed similar at how natural resistance form, parasite not can remain infinite, rather balance to universes
am not to judge such balance, and am keen to at how each are to require other for adapt for survive
one preference
am human with desire to love and share and enjoy being, such is natural essence to spirit and seed to life within all
in joy
at how to enjoy when brothers and sisters are poison? love to all, am not stake claim within rather am thinks for remove fences for freedom
knowledge to power
cannabis more than medicine alone
seed to life
cannabis equal to energy
power to form require energy input
chant down babylon
positive vibrations and positive energy
how you do?
such scene to profit most within prohibition am keen to think more profit within big pharma, big textiles, and big oil and such and such
cannabis compete to almost all industry
with respect to medicine
profit with respect to patent pill is astronomical
many suffering of various ailment go to debt or not receive adequate treatments with respect to cost to prohibit
with respect to legalization always only to discuss medicine, rather medicine small segment within lovely cannabis
fuel textile pulppaper to dwarf profit within medicine to analysis economy form within each
at where to discuss end to prohibition with respect to cannabis and fuel, multiple hectare cannabis with respect to fuel and textile and pulppaper?
Legal with limit is not freedom
freedom not has bounds
medicine indeed great of cannabis, perhap focus to shift with respect to not pacification
at how to make someone to do something? create options for such and such and appear for it as the choice of chooser
to create field to play such game
is your individual thinks and choice or what you are teach to choose and choice? universal being is more great than simple medicine
cannabis heal of the universes with respect to energy, positive energy
cannabis to compete with incredible effect to big business, such business to operate with not equal competition rather such company operate with monopoly
cannabis legal without limit or is not legal such is law to universal being....never to become complacent with pacifications to you heart within love
net positive is for cannabis to become free and not stipulate
anything other is negative
single negative within many positive remain negative
total positive!
with respect to std.oil, monsanto, merck, and such and such at how to derive energy? such to cultivate positive energy am not to think, rather parasite to energy
example monsanto for remain within cannabis and to topic
indeed choice to garden within heirloom preference, such individual human within market to determine option to choice indeed
with respect to natural natural environment, such micro scale with respect to universe....earth....to segment more? indeed continents to vary, similar altitude, photoperiod spectrum, air quality, such variable infinite at how to consider and focus thinks
am keen for analysis with respect to soil environment
as above, so below
monsanto not originate to being seed company, not genetic modification, not roundup however am focus with such and at how to trend
similar at how to trend monsanto to arrive at roundup
am keen to measure total sum not point to point within
all being adapt within comfort, such thinks with respect to monsanto to make money, however similar at how technology they are to use is parasitic in nature which to say only benefit parasite not host
roundup not supreme example to infinite being with respect to parasite, such to adapt
adapt with respect to create specific genetic modify seed for combine to such poison
we are to think choice to option available indeed, within this moment....such moment is only to exist
within such moment we are not to become separate from mother earth, not separate of other humans with positive vibration, not separate of vibrate positive energy within universes
ocean is create of small drops to water
similar with respect to energy cultivation and balance
negative and positive cultivate with drops
am not to judge, such one preference to opinion
am to measure of whole actions rather to individual moment within moment
roundup drops even if we are not to choice actual are change to ocean, soil, earth, universe
drops
many environment are change such to adapt of the poison, and am keen to think eventual goal is for monsanto to change actual landscape and natural environment....one perspective gurt technology for thinks
such to trend with adapt and business model they are to preference
parasitic
am not parasite
am not keen to such landscape at where within natural environment is manipulate with poison to only accept such and such patent genetic modify such and such
indeed similar at how natural resistance form, parasite not can remain infinite, rather balance to universes
am not to judge such balance, and am keen to at how each are to require other for adapt for survive
one preference
am human with desire to love and share and enjoy being, such is natural essence to spirit and seed to life within all
in joy
at how to enjoy when brothers and sisters are poison? love to all, am not stake claim within rather am thinks for remove fences for freedom
knowledge to power
cannabis more than medicine alone
seed to life
cannabis equal to energy
power to form require energy input
chant down babylon
positive vibrations and positive energy
so you think legalization should include a square footage limitation or plant count restriction?
maybe just specific language prohibiting certain companies from growing cannabis?
maybe we could just prohibit genetic experimentation with the cannabis plant?
what type of prohibition works best for you?
lmao you think that drugged driving should/would ever be legal?
what planet do you think this is?
did it hurt when you pulled that nugget from your ass?
complete BULLSHIT.
the MAJORITY of busts and sentences in this country are for possession/possession with intent.
making shit up makes your argument weak.
so fuck the single mom who wants to relax after a hard day.
fuck the cancer patient who does not want to die in jail.
fuck the average user.
we have a scene to protect!
please help us by describing how to keep monsanto out of the business and joe six pack out of jail?
when looking costs 1 arrest every 42 seconds?
fuck posterity over prison.
posterity can and will be kept alive with or without monsanto.
with legalization at least one life wont be ruined every 42 seconds!
in the time it took me to write this post at least two humans were stripped of their rights,manacled,transported against their will,forced to disrobe and show their genitals to strangers,fingerprinted,photographed,locked in a cage with possibly violent offenders.
they are made to pay a ransom in order to be free until their court date.
they lose jobs,homes and cars.
thousands are spent to fight only to have to serve probation.
but hey at least we have "the scene"
at least we have 15,000 varieties of "kush"!
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...e-u.s.-2011/persons-arrested/persons-arrested
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that is a source BTW skull.
it is how we get accurate info.
we don't just yank it from our posterior
You seem to be a realist in many aspects dag.
I like that.
Now please admit that you don't think people will quit fueling our prison industry if cannabis is legalized.
I like that.
Now please admit that you don't think people will quit fueling our prison industry if cannabis is legalized.
I'm with Dagnabit on this. Protecting the profits of commercial grow operations at the expense of prison time for our brothers and sisters seems just plain wrong to me. How is that better than the corporate profit maximization attitude that people fear from legalization? "Gimme gimme gimme. If it's profitable to me, that's all that matters. Screw everyone else." Monsanto-think.
i very much think they will come from some other source than pot smokers.
if we made possession legal tomorrow you really think 1 every 42 seconds would continue?
HOW?
you think the "scene" or whatever surpasses the freedom of those people?
you truly believe the arrest rate will remain at 1 every 42 seconds if legalization were to take place?
what is worth 1 every 42?
some hacks bx of some other hacks watered down femmed out auto flower?
the latest kush by kushwest?
nope.
