You are missing the fact that prop 19 would of forbid local authorities from working with the Feds. Raids, in theory, would of come to a screatching halt.
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You are missing the fact that prop 19 would of forbid local authorities from working with the Feds. Raids, in theory, would of come to a screatching halt.
The Feds are still required to work with local authorities.
In theory they don't have to let the Feds do anything.
In reality they are stomping all over anything they want.
They aren't going to stop making money off of us.
I think it's odd that the topic of the thread hasn't pointed more people away from appeasing legislation when it's obviously not working.
In theory they don't have to let the Feds do anything.
In reality they are stomping all over anything they want.
They aren't going to stop making money off of us.
I think it's odd that the topic of the thread hasn't pointed more people away from appeasing legislation when it's obviously not working.
I think that it is true that the Supremes can decline to hear a case. However, the volume of these cases that would be headed their direction as the level of frustration goes up, both by LEO and by the unfortunate folks feeling their wrath, they would eventually be forced into it. This would particularly be true as more states followed California's lead.
We are already stacking up cases.
I would like to know if you think the raids would have really ceased if 19 had passed?
I think we know that money is being made on both sides of the fence.
Would the DEA stop hitting easy targets?
I think we just differ on our attitudes towards those in power.
I don't think they care to give us what we want, unless it falls in line with what they want.... regardless of what we say we want.
We don't steer the train as much as we used to.
We're easy prey now. Our votes aren't as valuable as our assets.
They don't need votes. They need asset forfeiture auctions.
I would like to know if you think the raids would have really ceased if 19 had passed?
I think we know that money is being made on both sides of the fence.
Would the DEA stop hitting easy targets?
I think we just differ on our attitudes towards those in power.
I don't think they care to give us what we want, unless it falls in line with what they want.... regardless of what we say we want.
We don't steer the train as much as we used to.
We're easy prey now. Our votes aren't as valuable as our assets.
They don't need votes. They need asset forfeiture auctions.
BongRipkenJR.
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Prop 19 in no way would of affected medical marijuana. It even outlined it in the bill. Furthermore it would still be illegal federally. Prop 19 was a poorly written bill that proposed bigger prison sentences for people not in compliance with their licensing or any other of the mumbo jumbo. Prop 19 was a wolf in sheep's clothing designed to bring in the walmarts of weed and not allow the little guy to continue to do what he loves.
If growers prefer MJ being illegal... maybe the dispensaries are behind the raids?
Hell no I don't think the raids would have stopped! However, I think that it would have inflamed a lot of people that would not ordinarily have any interest in cannabis because of the state's rights issue. If 19 had passed with a clear majority, and other states followed our lead, the uproar from the general populace would eventually force a showdown. And no, I don't think that those in power care about what we think. But again, once a majority has expressed their desire to change the laws, then there would be an end to the farce that they are simply enforcing the "will of the people".
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Crawl under a rock.
Not wanting crap bills passed doesn't mean growers don't want it legal.
I'm sure you're onto something.
Go work it out and get back to me.
AHHS and Zen Healing were both totally sketch if my memory serves. Just saying.
That is my point.
Why bring in Walmart weed, kick out Mom N Pop, lay taxes at their feet, confess that cannabis is criminal, and accept harsher penalties to get the same treatment we are already receiving?!
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BrnCow
Why do these places keep large money and product around there? Why not use a double hand off random delivery of a few quarter ounces as needed every hour or so? How about a money pickup several times a day.Keep the grow hidden and secret. Keep just enough product to do business as needed. Not making good sense security wise IMHO...
I don't know where you get "confess that cannabis is criminal", but the answer to your question is - momentum. Every step forward adds to it. Every failure to take that step detracts from it.
Accepting any penalties with a vote is admission of agreement that it is a crime, no?
Momentum towards Walmart weed and away from families?
Momentum towards harsher penalties??
I question what is a step forward and what a failure truly is.
Stepping into bullshit isn't good for your shoes.
I just have to restate my primary post in this thread.
Things may have been lost in translation, but the main point is simple.
Momentum towards Walmart weed and away from families?
Momentum towards harsher penalties??
I question what is a step forward and what a failure truly is.
Stepping into bullshit isn't good for your shoes.
I just have to restate my primary post in this thread.
Things may have been lost in translation, but the main point is simple.
None of this shit would be going on had Prop 19 passed just saying.
Same old bullshit, Mustard. You aren't going to get your laundry list of everything on earth that you want on the first go round. There are penalties for most accepted behaviors if the behavior is manifested in an inappropriate setting or by someone not meeting the minimum qualifications - sex, drinking, driving, etc, etc. Nobody is looking at how close the vote was, or the reasons that people like you didn't support it. It is taken as a desire by the people to back away from legalization.
*edit to reply to your edit* I don't agree with SOTF's premise either. However, "all of this shit going on" would at least be feeding an eventual change rather than just feeding LEO coffers.
*edit to reply to your edit* I don't agree with SOTF's premise either. However, "all of this shit going on" would at least be feeding an eventual change rather than just feeding LEO coffers.
I don't think I'm trying to get a laundry list passed.
Those penalties are there as an accepted nod and donation to the cops' coffers.
If 19 was legalization then hell no we don't want it.
Real legalization would probably be much more preferred.
Real change is not bowing to some taxed Walmart weed.
Those penalties are there as an accepted nod and donation to the cops' coffers.
If 19 was legalization then hell no we don't want it.
Real legalization would probably be much more preferred.
Real change is not bowing to some taxed Walmart weed.
How would you like it if this latest proposition had passed and you grew 101 plants thinking you were safe, then signed the federal tax doc's admitting that you have broken a Class 1 narcotics law. They'd give you 10 years minimum for being stupid and another 5 for the grow. First things first, get the classification law changed from a Class 1 narcotic to a Class 3, your representatives can do this, they will listen to constituents if you scream enough. It would be nation wide, cops wouldn't waste their time if they couldn't confiscate.
Mark my words. There will never be legalization without taxation, lots of rules and restrictions, and corporate interests. I commend people for the desire to have looser laws, if you want to consider legalization seriously we need to get our heads out of the clouds. Like this new proposed bill that Dragonfly is behind, what a load of crap. It will never happen. I mean common, why not ask for free weed for all to and put that in the bill.
Maybe Mom and Pop's were worried their bud wouldn't be as good as WalMarts? That's all I can think of. Up your game, grow good bud and you'd never have to worry about WallyWeed......
Now get back to the subject and get off the 19 arguments. The crap got old a long time ago.....
Now get back to the subject and get off the 19 arguments. The crap got old a long time ago.....
