Nice, do any of the phenos show the genius Zig Zag veg growth, that it a good way to locate genius traits. Here is a pic:
Apollo 11 f3 and discussion
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Nice, do any of the phenos show the genius Zig Zag veg growth, that it a good way to locate genius traits. Here is a pic:
Midnight Rudy
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Awesome pics Bio!!! Here is what I have going at this point from my last 4 in my JW A11 f2's
Group shot The 3 on the right were toped at 5 nodes down to the third node for a clone. The one on the left is at 3 nodes but just hanging out at 1" tall.
A11-7 my runty bitch
A11-8
A11-9 This one seems to not know which way is up. I have high hopes for this one. Hard to see but nodes seem to be going sideways and are sagging a bit. Genius-like? Hard to tell now! In a couple of weeks we may know though!
A11-10
So, hopefully one of the non-stunted ones will be a male. If the stunted one is a male I likely won't breed it unless it turns the corner and starts catching up pretty quick here. a a female it may be worth keep though, we'll see.
For the record, I had 10 for 10 germ on these seeds. This runt is the only one that hasn't looked nearly identical to all its brothers and sisters. The first 6 produced only 2 females, both of which were vigorous and nearly identical. The keeper finished a couple days faster and produced a tiny bit more. If I hadn't known both plants so well I would not have been able to differentiate. I just talked to an old friend who got a cut of my original A11 keeper from me a couple years ago and found out he still has her, so she will be in on the fun in a couple of weeks
Thats that! Thanks for everyone who is keeping this thread going, and how about an update from Darwin? what's the latest my tortoise lovin' friend!
Group shot The 3 on the right were toped at 5 nodes down to the third node for a clone. The one on the left is at 3 nodes but just hanging out at 1" tall.
A11-7 my runty bitch
A11-8
A11-9 This one seems to not know which way is up. I have high hopes for this one. Hard to see but nodes seem to be going sideways and are sagging a bit. Genius-like? Hard to tell now! In a couple of weeks we may know though!
A11-10
So, hopefully one of the non-stunted ones will be a male. If the stunted one is a male I likely won't breed it unless it turns the corner and starts catching up pretty quick here. a a female it may be worth keep though, we'll see.
For the record, I had 10 for 10 germ on these seeds. This runt is the only one that hasn't looked nearly identical to all its brothers and sisters. The first 6 produced only 2 females, both of which were vigorous and nearly identical. The keeper finished a couple days faster and produced a tiny bit more. If I hadn't known both plants so well I would not have been able to differentiate. I just talked to an old friend who got a cut of my original A11 keeper from me a couple years ago and found out he still has her, so she will be in on the fun in a couple of weeks
Thats that! Thanks for everyone who is keeping this thread going, and how about an update from Darwin? what's the latest my tortoise lovin' friend!
Are these f2's of JW's Apollo 11's or from the seed pack of JW's Apollo 11's (which I believe are f2's themselves)?
I grew out some JW A11, but more JW C99xA11's. Out of the 4 phenos I tried I wasn't really that impressed, but it could have just been luck of the draw. The c99xa11's had a nice sweet pineapple smell, but the yield and plant structures were pretty short and weak. The buzz was ok, not that great in my experiences with my phenos.
It would be great to see some fire Apollo 11s' come out out of those beans - I wonder if some new phenotypes can be found in the f2's and future breeding generations of different Apollo 11 seed stocks?
Dropdeadagain
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Really? Considering I sourced you the cut it is news to me that it was Brothers Grimm Personally selected pheno. Please fill me in.
When I was reading over the info, it was clear that it was from an F1 of Brothers Grimm's stock that "I thought" was passed to Overgrow moderators as an original cut. If I am mistaken, I apologize.
It is the F1 Brothers Grimm A11 Genius pheno that was cherished within the inner moderator circle at Overgrow. It is strongly Genius dominant, lemon with an incredible thought provoking high and yields heavier than any other Apollo 11 I've seen.
Overall, my only concern in this, is to help find and pass around the best Apollo genetics possible. I'm very interested in the other work people have put into Apollo 11 with back-crossing and hybrids and would like to help preserve the legacy.
This is the holy grail of all the Apollo 11 Genius Phenos I've seen over 7 years of searching and I'm thankful to finally have the cut. If I was mistaken about whether it was chosen directly by Brothers Grimm as the keeper, or whether it was just passed around Overgrow as the best genius pheno found from the F1 seed stock. Either way I'm still humbled to have it and the ability to spread it far and wide. Long live the Apollo 11 preservation project. I apologize for any possible confusion.
I just want others to have the ability to experience the best Apollo 11 Genius possible - while preserving the strain for the years to come. I'm sure most of the people here are driven by the same goal.
Dank Regards,
Bi0hazard
It is the F1 Brothers Grimm A11 Genius pheno that was cherished within the inner moderator circle at Overgrow. It is strongly Genius dominant, lemon with an incredible thought provoking high and yields heavier than any other Apollo 11 I've seen.
Overall, my only concern in this, is to help find and pass around the best Apollo genetics possible. I'm very interested in the other work people have put into Apollo 11 with back-crossing and hybrids and would like to help preserve the legacy.
This is the holy grail of all the Apollo 11 Genius Phenos I've seen over 7 years of searching and I'm thankful to finally have the cut. If I was mistaken about whether it was chosen directly by Brothers Grimm as the keeper, or whether it was just passed around Overgrow as the best genius pheno found from the F1 seed stock. Either way I'm still humbled to have it and the ability to spread it far and wide. Long live the Apollo 11 preservation project. I apologize for any possible confusion.
I just want others to have the ability to experience the best Apollo 11 Genius possible - while preserving the strain for the years to come. I'm sure most of the people here are driven by the same goal.
Dank Regards,
Bi0hazard
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Midnight Rudy
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These are the last 4 seeds from my purchased pack of JW f2's. I hope to get some f3's though. I recently shut down my entire op and am restarting from scratch. I usually run perpetual, so this is a rare opportunity to do an open pollination. It is my intent to let the A11 males pollinate the rest of my A11's plus the other 12 in the cabinet. If no males or only the runt is a male, then I may make some colloidal silver or pick a Mandala Satori male to make some beans... haven't decided yet on that. I'm not doing a breeding project as much as I am simply making seeds to entertain myself with for a while. I'll just look for keep moms and share those with friends.
From seed, I don't think that trait shows up until the plant is mature anyways. Maybe Darwin can help with that one since he has popped a billion or so seeds.
greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
how close are they to the bros grim apollo 11? ive been lookin for this gem for some years......... some of the best lemony tastying weed,plus the high was so postive, makes the body feel so good. where can i find this gem today?
That will be interesting to see. You are the first person I have seen mention an Apollo 11 Genius x Satori cross. What a great idea, I think the two would compliment each other very well.
But hey I wouldn't mind some A11 x Pre 98 Bubba, A11 x ECSD, A11 x Chem D, A11 x KKSC to name a few. I think those would all be incredible. I'm also excited by some of the top end sativas crossed to A11, as it can add a stronger psychedelic effect while lowering the flowering time of the sativas.
Midnight Rudy
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As popular and sought after as A11 is, it is strange that there aren't more crosses of it. Maybe there are and we just don't see it written in the lineage. The Satori is often thrown out in the same conversations with A11 and I assume the high of each to be similar, though this is my first crack at Satori. Satori is a much longer finish time and different flavanoids, so it will be interesting what dominates. Either way there will be A11 x Satori and one or the other x Nirvana Aurora Indica and x Spice Of Life BluBonic. Plus I'll save pollen, so who knows. Like I said I don't often get the opportunity to flower males or make beans. I wish I could just buy pollen and be done with it!
Apollo 11 and Satori both have nice cerebral highs, a little different in the personalities of the highs - but they are great creative and thought provoking strains that won't have you couch locked.
Speaking of which... It would be interesting to see your A11 x Aurora Indica. I had Aurora Indica once and it was a devastating couch lock indica. The body pressure and body high are full throttle on that one. It's good late in the day, but you might want to be near a seat - because it will have you frozen with your mind drifting miles away. It was better than some of the other Nirvana gear I got years ago. But The Aurora packed a punch. The Bluebonic cross also sounds exciting - maybe adding more color?
Breeding Ideas:
I would also like to see some crosses of A11 bred to other Apollo 13* hybrids, like Double Purple Doja (Apollo 13 x [AK47 x Somablaze's Blackberry]) DPD adds great vigor and purple color to it's crosses.
Double Purple Doja (by the macro photo legend Ocannabis) - Look how the trichs turn Purple Amber, almost deep Magenta/Crimson Red. What a beautiful specimen.
I think one of the best breeding projects for Apollo 11 Genius would be a hybrid of [Apollo 11 G x Apollo 13 bx (subcool's seed stock - since he bred for Genius phenos)] . More than anything a recreation of Apollo's Trip would be one of the most incredible fusions possible in the Apollo Genepool. Very close in genetics, A13 is trippy/clear and A11 is thought provoking/clear. A13 is like A11's wild psychedelic sister. Bred together I think people would be in for a real treat.
Apollo 11 (Brothers Grimm) Genius X Cinderella 99
Apollo 13 (Brothers Grimm) Genius X Princess 88 (More info on Princess 88 at the bottom of the post)
Or A11 x Vortex, A11 x Space Queen, A11 x Jack the Ripper, A11 x Sputnik 1.0 or 2.0 - I think it would merge well with the genetic of most of Subcool's work. Since so much of his strains have C99 x Romulan in the mix, and sometimes other apollo or jack/haze influences.
--- Princess 88 and Cinderella 99 Genetic info --
∙Princess - A special and rare Jack Herer pheno that is very thought provoking and somewhat racy.
∙Princess 50 (Mr. Soul) Princess X [Shiva Skunk X Jack Herer]
∙Princess 75 (Mr. Soul) Princess X Princess 50
∙Princess 88 aka Cinderella 88 (Mr. Soul) Princess X Princess 75
∙Cinderella 99 (Mr. Soul) Princess X Princess 88
∙Apollo 11 (Brothers Grimm) Genius X Cinderella 99
∙Apollo 13 (Brothers Grimm) Genius X Princess 75
-Bi0hazard
Greetings everyone! Glad to see everyone's breeding and growing going excellently. I've just been plugging along, building a breeding chamber in order to produce larger numbers of seeds, and finishing off this first round of Apollo 11 f4's.
Quick pic I took of an excellent example of what you see in the f4 generation. Lemony, fresh smell is definitely there. Currently in the first week of flush being grown in an ebb and flow tray with Flora Nova nutrients. At this point it's at about 80% cloudy, 20% clear, in another week she'll be right where I like her. That's a little longer than many would let her go but I've grown enough of these to know when I like them.
Quick pic I took of an excellent example of what you see in the f4 generation. Lemony, fresh smell is definitely there. Currently in the first week of flush being grown in an ebb and flow tray with Flora Nova nutrients. At this point it's at about 80% cloudy, 20% clear, in another week she'll be right where I like her. That's a little longer than many would let her go but I've grown enough of these to know when I like them.
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Midnight Rudy
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Yeah, I'm not going to lie... these are simply beans I had to work with but I am excited about all these crosses. I choose these from the fridge thinking that I would get flavors from the blubonic cross, unique up-high from the Satori, and power from the Aurora Indica. Who knows what I will get out of these beans or when I will ever have a chance to run them, but I can see some potent hybrids and some nice flavors in addition to the simple curiosity of the a11/satori cross.
As for the Blubonic adding color... fme, which is the first 6 beans of this pack, is that they are just a nice bright green. I even had some cooler nights and didn't get any color. I ran 2 moms of the Blubonic for nearly a year. The blubonic was anything but a clear high... quite the opposite, so the A11 could certainly improve on it. More dumbfounding but not heavy body. I like the flavor and the vigor though, so we will see how that works otherwise.
One of my satori's is showing some purple, so we will see if that comes up again somewhere. That one seems to be the "skyrocket" pheno because it is so vigorous. They all got topped, but I have also super cropped and defoliated this one and it is still overgrowing everything else. In my system that kind of vigor is nice because I prefer to not veg at all.
Darwin, nice to see you checking in friend.
Midnight Rudy
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It looks like the show is on! #10 definitely showing nanners and yesterday I put the runt in flower without topping because I was sick of waiting. If it is a male it gets culled for sure but as a female she may be OK. Both 8 and 9 both look like females but it is still too early to tell. I should know next week though. I saw the nanners last night so it only took 8 days to show sex for the male.
Here's another quick shot of an apollo at 1 week of flush with plain water. I like to flush for 1 week with plain water and then the second week with flora kleen changed out twice. I apologize for the crappy quality of the pic, I really need a new camera
Getting all of that chlorophyll out is very important, especially when going hydro.Leone: It's a very up, thinking high. There's really no body whatsoever, even if you take it late. This is not a high cbd strain, but I have found it to be pretty good at dulling nerve pain. There's a smoke report of the f3's I wrote somewhere in this thread
Thanks for stopping by!In regards to the breeding talk, I love it! However I have to through some caution into this thread. The biggest problem when breeding first or second generation apollo 11 is going to be the variability. Apollo 11, as a first or second generation plant, is not an acceptable breeder. This is the reason, aside from preservation, that I am line breeding apollo's. The Genuis came from a presumably selfed version of a three-way cross (Jack Herer) which was then crossed with a triple back crossed sister. What I'm getting at is that there is a lot of variation in the first few generations of apollo because it's a hodgepodge constructed from an original plant that was a poly-hybrid to start with. I'm certainly not trying to discourage breeding with Apollo, I think it's a great genepool, I just think we should acknowledge the caveat's also.
Personally, the F4's are the first generation of Apollo's that I would feel ok to outcross with. These F4's are finally showing a uniformity that I feel should exist in a P1. This same caution should also be taken when selecting the other P1. Blubonic (which I have going right now with the Apollo's) for example is a cross between two presumably distantly related blueberries. This is not, IMHO a suitable P1 in it's current form. A cross between this and an early generation apollo will give a multitude of phenotypes that will be very hard to select from. Best case scenario, one would want two true-breeding, homozygous P1's that will combine to create a heterozygous F1 that has little to no variation. This new, stable F1 hybrid could then be called a new strain. There are lots of truly inbred lines out there that would be excellent parents. I say "truly" inbred lines because this term has become watered down in the Cannabis world to the point that it pretty much means nothing. It has become a marketing term and no longer a useful Biological definition. I'm on the 4th generation of actual inbreeding, yet I'm not calling it an inbred line because it isn't yet. Sorry to get on a soapbox here but there have been some very disturbing trends in Cannabis breeding as of late that have been really bothering me. I'm certainly not calling out anyone in this thread, just speaking of some things that have been bothering me in the community as of late.
Good luck to everyone and I truly wish everyone the best in their work.
greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
thats crazy it looks the same as that day many years ago when i got that bomb ass apollo 11 from a buddie. been lookin for her for too long..................
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