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Gray Wolf

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Wal fornicate!!! The sample size was too small, so I get to do it over again today.........

On the other hand, I did learn a few thangs I can share.

I ran the only case of Lucienne we had on hand through a brand new cold trap that I assembled out of new Mk III components, which I first boiled in hot soapy water and wiped down with 190 proof ethanol. I did get some light oil, but not enough to filter and send out for analysis.

I say filter, because the first thing that I saw was paint chips from the outside of the can in the oil. What a tasty thought for those who can tap their butane and don't subsequently clean the pot before running, or winterize or filter the oil.

While the sample was larger than the .05 grams needed for GC, it was small and full of paint chips, so I decided to rerun the experiment with more butane and add a coffee filter section to my test sled.

The oil didn't smell like an old tire factory, but like a light petroleum fraction (distillant), so the tire factory odor may come with a larger sample.

It readily dissolved in 190 proof ethanol.

Ethanol is a simple alkane alcohol, and simple alkane hydrocarbons do readily dissolve in it.

Just to make sure my memory was correct, I dumped some hexane in the beaker of mystery oil and ethanol, to verify that it did mix, because all alcohols don't mix with simple alkanes like hexane. It did.

I also cut apart all of the cans and felt inside for lubricity. There was none.

I inspected all the welds for quality and the welds were all sound and unoxidized.

I also cut apart the valve to better understand why lubricant would be required. It is is a simply made plug valve and needs no lubricant.

PS: Don't cry ya'll! The spill in the picture of alcohol is actually water from taking the cold trap out of the hot pot, not $37/1.75L 190 proof.

Today I will pick up a long case of Lucienne and try again.
 

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It's already been established that's its not very much, right? Aren't we now looking for just what it is? After all, some things are quite toxic, even in very small amounts..
 

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dude, i was just asking if thats all he got, i dont know where you thought i was going with my post, lol. i got about that much from 3 cans, so that looked like not the full amount from a dozen cans. and if it is, thats pretty clean stuff. i got about .05 from 3 cans, he seems to be saying he got the same from 12 cans?
 

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GW when they fill these cans up does it not get sent through any filters before it enters the can??

I have worked with some very dangerous gasses at Intel. After we completed the Purge sequence to put in a fresh cylinder there are filters on the process gas line. Is this not required for Butane ??
 

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wow doesnt seem like you got much from a whole case, is that all of it, on the razor?

Probably 90% on the razor. I ran the test again yesterday with 72 cans and got enough.

Still just smells and looks like a light petroleum distillate to me, but I got enough for a sample and will run it myself and have it run by an outside lab with an HPLC/MS.

I added a filter section of coffee filters, and didn't get paint this time.
 

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Gray Wolf

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GW when they fill these cans up does it not get sent through any filters before it enters the can??

I have worked with some very dangerous gasses at Intel. After we completed the Purge sequence to put in a fresh cylinder there are filters on the process gas line. Is this not required for Butane ??

It's filtered, but what we are talking about is a liquid mixed with the butane, so it doesn't filter out.
 

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You may dissolve it in something first. Could the steel have had a slight oil film on it?

I got enough the second run!

Anything is possible. My guess is that all films would be removed prior to rolling, to enable them to paint one side and weld the seam. No lubricant is required to spin on the bottoms and head.

This still looks and smells like the longer chain oleaginous waxes that they claim are there, and the sulfur content is still so low as to not register from a smell standpoint.
 

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I bitterly regret to inform you that winterization does not protect against this evil grease.
250ml tin of "London" left behind a small drop , which when heated exuded fragrance of burning rubber.

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What else is there Jump, that makes the sample stringy? Does that picture include some resin?

My sample was a light petroleum fraction, as opposed to resinous, which I dropped off at a nationally recognized analytical lab, with a GC/MS and eagerly await the results.

Our GC doesn't have a mass spectrometer attached and this issue is important enough that I want third party confirmation anyway.
 

itsblown

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Interested in hearing the lab results, Does anyone have any idea how We could possibly filter this out of the cans besides using a closed loop recovery system
 

quitelost

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Wow, my suspicions have been confirmed, I always read that butane has no smell, but even top grade butane has a slight smell to me. That stuff looks really nasty...
 

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What else is there Jump, that makes the sample stringy? Does that picture include some resin?

It's a speck of dust, I accidentally dropped a slippery paper with a sample of evil oil.

I do not think there could get extraneous resin from the previous session.

Before the test, all the tools have been thoroughly cleaned with ethanol.

All the bad grease from a can accommodated on the tip of dabber.

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so can some type of activated carbon filtration could be employed for those not using a closed loop system? Could a low boil in ethanol and filtered through the carbon work?

On second thought, what if a pre-filter using activated carbon were used on the can before the extraction tube, so that the can sprays in to the pre-filter, then pre-filter feeds to extraction tube or thermos. Are there any better filter media?
 

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My best guess that mystery oil is naphthenic mineral oil, from the looks and descriptions. I personally haven't been making or consuming any oil for months and barely at all this whole year because of the toll it toke on my lungs. I've been smoking and vaping flowers and fullmelt and I'll tell you my lungs never ever feel as clogged up as they do when strickly dabbing bho.

This mineral oil is also in n-butane from gas supply companies as well, so anyone making butane extracts for patients step your shit up and clean your butane via closed loop system. Personally I think having a system strickly for cleaning the butane and one for extracting with said cleaned butane would be the best. Mineral oil is a bitch to clean and I would rather not have it anywhere near my extraction unit.

Mineral oil is terrible to inhale, its one of the main causes of lipid pneumonia which causes shortness of breath among other health problems.

Here is an msds on naphthenic mineral oil.

http://www.crossoil.com/lib/docs/msds/CrossTrans.pdf
 

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Im pretty sure since this oil is in all butane, its probably for rust prevention, which leads me to think, after this oil is removed do the tanks start to rust???
 

KonradZuse

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Mystery Oil shared a link.
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LAB UPDATE:

Steep Hill Halent Labs completed its initial RSA on its GC/MS.

The chemist says that "the mass fragmentation of the major peaks contain some LINEAR ALKANES and AROMATIC COMPOUNDS."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aromatic_compounds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkane

An exact identification has not been made. Steep Hill Halent Labs' work has just begun.

More to come. We will keep you posted. Thank-you for your patience.

Gray wolf was correct for the most part, but there is no real data yet... Everyone is flipping out it's "Benzene" or something, which is found in normal combusted material.



UPDATE:

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EVIDENCE FROM THE SOURCE!

Newport says their cans contain "oils, waxes, charcoal dust, etc." at less than 50ppm.

I received a follow-up email from Newport/Keen "Near Zero Impurities", Managing Director, Paula Hussain.

She states that the cans have 50ppm or less of "oil, wax, charcoal dust etcetera". The parts per million in each can that we found IS 100. Very low.

Higher than what they are shooting for; yet, very low.

However, it is all relative to the amount of BHO that is produced from one can.

From what I know, one can produces around 4grams of BHO.

If each can contains Ms. Hussain's stated ppm of 50, then that leaves .015grams of these "impurities" per 10oz can.

.015 grams of impurities in 4grams of BHO equals 3,750ppm.

IF ALL the impurities are in the end-product, that is high!

Here is her entire response to my question about the 'Mystery Oil'--

"Traditional refineries produced butane propellant with an uncontrolled non-volatile content of impurities including oil, wax substances, charcoal dust etcetera which was not a problem for filling lighters until 1983 when the so-called "flameless" heat-generated turbo lighter was invented in Japan. In order to market this lighter it was established that the non-volatile impurity content of the butane could not exceed fifty parts per one million parts. Our company was assigned this problem which enabled the inventors to market the new product by 1985. Since then numerous diversifications of the concept have appeared. Our exclusive "Near Zero Impurities" has been included on all butane refills that we produce to differentiate our butane refills from all others."

Regards
Paula Hussain
Managing Director


1 Northbrook Street
Newbury
Berkshire RG14 1DJ
England
Telephone: 44 (0) 1635 34600
Fax: 44 (0) 1635 33360
email: mailto:paula@keen-newport.com
www.keen-newport.com
 

m314

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I wonder if this oil / wax stuff is worse than the carcinogens produced when smoking a joint. I just made about a half ounce of BHO for personal consumption, so it would be good to know. I might try a hexane extraction instead with my next batch.
 
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