any one try Planck or Santa Maria in the dam?

[GoatCheese]

goat cheese...

while I have no answer to your question... I think of it like this... here in cali... a cut will get popular and pretty soon there will be a buncha variations of the strain that permeate the market. It gets really grey because who is to say the gram from the cut you tried is "the real deal?" What you tried is just what you measure "plank" against.

Sure..
..but as i understand it, Amsterdam/Dutch cannabis-scene grow their indoor product from clones, not from-seeds-to-harvest. If this is so, it's possible the planck/Santa Maria in Amsterdam is from a circulated cutting, and the Planck-clone was widely circulated as told by No Mercy @ their website:

"The distribution in Holland of the real Santa Maria clones was done by the former Highlife-magazine chief editor, Bernt Gundersen, because he was bringing his new "found" clones of a strain that is worldwide known by now... to No Mercy Supply... to Cees.
And you better be sure.... he took care of free distribution (50% of the Coffeeshops in Holland have the name Santa Maria on their price-list)."

It also didn't taste like typical dutch-strains at all, meaning similar to Northern Light/Skunk#1-hybrids.

Some of the pictures you can find of No Mercy's Santa Maria, some plants look quite like Silverpearl-phenos, very different from Esko's, but yea, who knows for sure

...and i can't remember much about it now, see I WAS VISITING AMSTERDAM!

 

[idiit]

now, on to santa maria. I bought 35 no mercy sm beans for around 100 euros. it took me around 15 to find the two keeper breeder sativa parents. no herms, good vigor. bud structure of female was not the dreadlock escobar pheno ( original planck cut). some indica influence in the buds but def. sativa dom.

idiit

I ran several sprouts each in several 4" cups and found just a couple staiva dom with lots of vigor. these are what I used for my personal sativa dom sm seedstock and pollen.

that's right about the Mexican Haze; another unknown variable..
also silver pearl genetics in there.

the smoke was close to epic. very very good. the santa maria could be called SRIRACHA as it seems to add intensity. the aww became much more intense. very energetic stone with some psychoactivity.

INTENSE high effects. INTENSITY.

idiit

^ that smoke report comes off 2/3 of 1 bowl of pam. I smoke every night. I get ripped every night. I've run well over 100 store bought strains and very few made it as keeper breeders. I don't remember the last time I could not finish 1 bowl.

back to "Mexican Haze". while I was smoking pam I kept thinking that the pollen I called santa maria sativa dom would easily make another haze with the right pairing. I knew where the special effects were coming from and it was not the aww. this high was near epic in quality. that high did not come from aww. aww was good. several tiers between good and epic. the power was almost overwhelming very early on.

I've got the same pollen used in my most psychoactive and potent Malawi(mandingo cut) and also used on a red stemmed Senegal haze.

i'm running a lot of pam outdoors this next year and will run some Malawi/sm and Senegal haze /sm as well.

the only way to find out is to create the seeds, grow 'em and then smoke 'em.

the santa maria saga just gets more and more sketchy but the pam puff was very special.

 

[GoatCheese]

Overall, my nearly 10 years in the Netherlands left me very disillusioned with the Dutch coffeeshop scene. Hell, in all that time I never once got a Blueberry or Bubblegum strain that lived up to its name.

To me, the Dutch coffeshop scene is just white widow with the odd exception here and there and the very rare dankness if you search hard and long enough.

Yea, especially if you're a homegrower the Dam weed scene is bit of a bummer. Alot of haze and kush hybrids these days. But the Widow's still there.
My own interest is in import hash, don't buy much weed there any more, one to three strains per visit.

The weed quality is quite bad these days. imo. 10 years ago the over all quality was better than today. The weed scene is run by dutch underworld and i thing they don't care too much if a tourist is coughing his lungs out cause the weed is poorly flushed. My last visit was few months ago. Love that town.

Sure you can find good weed, but alot of poorly flushed crap also costing you 13 euros or more a gram.
Good hash is easier to find, weed is more difficult

 

[bigbadbiddy]

Yeah...
it's not like it's all crap but it's just average and not "creme de la creme" as I had expected.

Was there half a year ago again and the Neville's Haze I bought from Barney's was definitely above average. Got me a bunch of seeds to see what that strain maxes out at if I grow it myself.

Hash wise I have heard that from many people and agree that it is easier to strike gold with hash than with bud in the Netherlands.
But there as well you gotta search and know some stuff and also get a bit lucky...

And often it is just overpriced imho.
The "Royal Jelly" I bought from Barney's was good, no doubt. But was it 35 bucks/gram good? Imho no, not nearly.
Their Neville's Haze was better on that particular day..


I got a bit chummy with one of the shop owners during my years there and got some insight into how they get their stuff etc.
We all know the whole "they can sell but they can't produce" idiocy.
This, as GoatCheese mentioned, leads to the bud in the shops coming from underground operations.
These underground operations are full on commercialized.

Basically, the shop owners go "door to door" on these underground grow ops and ask who has what when available for sale.
The result is that often several shops in the same city would buy the white widow from the same commercial underground op and sell it in each of their shops. Other times shop A would get it from op A and shop B would get it from op B.
But they both bought white widow and likely the same clone.
Yet op A cured better while op B used better nutes or something.
So in the end there is a noticeable difference between both the widows but it is also clear that they are both from the same shitty commercial clone...

Then, rarely, maybe for their own stash primarily or for other reasons, one of the underground ops grows some not so commercial and more connoisseur strain. Sometimes the shop owners buy the harvest of a homegrower they know and then you have some actual high tier bud available.

But all that is connected with luck, you knowing the right folks and being in the know of when such things happen.

The times where you could walk into any ol' coffeeshop and blindly pick something off the menu and be blasted away by awesomeness is sadly long gone (probably was already gone 10 years ago... at least imho).

 

[idiit]

No Mercy's Santa Maria has few other strains bred into it, it is not same as the REAL Planck
No Mercy's version has Silverpearl (Early Pearl x Skunk #1 x Northern Lights) and Mexican Haze in it, so it could be the indica traits from Silvrepearl showing up in the seeds.

here's a post on the Mexican haze I interesting;

It sounds to me as if you are looking for the Mexican haze that comes from the Guerrero area, where the true Acapulco Gold came from. It was a very sweet tasting haze. I remember getting it in what we called wheels. The wheels reminded you of how some cheeses are aged. The color of it was such a beautiful golden rusty color very similar to the Columbian Gold Bud. Personally I thought both of those had similar tastes. Both had that earthy smell to them as well.

My preference in the Mexican haze came more from the Oaxaca area. The color was a green color. The colas were the long donkey dicked variety. The taste was more of the pine or menthol taste.

Oh where are those hazes of those years. Mexico had some of the best smoke in the world and it was all commercial seeded weed too.

open*row under guerrero search

 

[GoatCheese]

I wonder if it's the same Mexi Haze they brought to Holland.

The famous Amsterdam ocffeeshop, De Dampkring has their own Mexican Haze line, but they say the male is pure mexi.

Dampkring's Mexican haze has been very popular smoke among Amsterdam smokers, but i never tried it myself.

Doesn't Sensi Seeds also sell a Mexican strain? Wonder if it's the same genetics used by No Mercy and/or Dampkring?
:
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Dampkring Seed Bank - Mexican Haze
Dampkring Classics own version of the ever popular Mexican Haze. The male used in this 3-way hybrid was bought back from Mexico in in 1995 and used in many breeding programmes since. The female is a stabilized F1 of 2 extra special plants, one of them being the same mother used to create other delights such as Ocean's Twelve.

No need to travel to Mexico, a few of these mothers in the garden will prove to be one of the best decisions any grower makes.

Genetics: Sativa 70% Indica 30%
High: Creative high
Flowering: 70 - 80 days
Height: 150 - 175 cm
Yield: 400 - 500 grams per m2

 

[GoatCheese]

Here's what seed-finder .eu write about Sensi Seeds' Mexican Sativa
..really could be the same as Dampkring's version
:
:
Sensi Seeds - Mexican Sativa

Mexican Sativa is a lovely 3-way cannabis hybrid that is fun and easy to grow. Developed in the Cannabis Castle through years of selective breeding and backcrossing the Mexican Oahakan x Pakistani Hash Plant x Durban, blending a great mix of world flavors with exceptional strength and vigor. Mexican Sativa has a fresh zest of fruit and spices accompanied by an equally blended cerebral high and warm, relaxing body sensations.

Outdoor:
Flowering: September - October
Height: 200-300 cm
Yield: up to 250 gr, plant
Indoor:
Flowering time: 9-12 week
Height: up to 350 cm
Yield: aproxley 50gr, plant.
THC: 18%
CBD: 1,3%

 

[idiit]

don't you just love completely different strains with the same name; santa maria being one; planck, sm bx that's not anything close to planck.

 

[GoatCheese]

don't you just love completely different strains with the same name; santa maria being one; planck, sm bx that's not anything close to planck.

Shut up and just pay them the money!!!!!

 

[kobi93]

I'm not sure where some of these stories get started, but I live in Brazil and have some experience with indigenous ceremonies in the Amazon. Never, in my nearly 15 years in the country, have I ever come across an ayahuasca ceremony that included cannabis. In fact, you're warned not to partake in any illicit substances.

Perhaps the Santa Maria throws people off, as there are in fact people who refer to cannabis as Santa Maria as a codename like Mary Jane, etc. There is also the Santo Daime religion, which is what many non-indigenous peoples here will call ayahuasca. So I think there may be some confusion related to that as well.

If you're interested in the cannabis scene in Brazil, it's relatively weak in terms of getting the kind of quality of buds everybody sees in the US and Europe. We do have home growers, obviously, who are using genetics from major seed companies, but most of the day-to-day weed you see here is bricked.

The majority, about 60%, comes from Paraguay, where it's grown on farms/plantations/outdoor grows close to the border. That reefer ends up getting shipped into Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, feeding heads throughout the south and southeast part of the country. The remaining 40% comes from what's called the "Pot Polygon," an area in the San Francisco River Valley in northeast Brazil. This weed will also get bricked and feed heads in the northeast, although some of it is dried as buds and sold as "Big Black Shrimp Heads" in places like Recife and Salvador.

I have to be honest, the weed here pretty much sucks compared to the US if you're smoking the brick stuff--although I'm not a picky stoner and still get high as phuk!--just not cannoisseur level stuff. But you can grow some pretty kick ass plants out of the seeds you pull out of it.

Are the genetics pure landrace or have they been polluted by Dutch/US genes? Not sure, but I doubt there has been wholesale genetic pollution although I'm willing to bet there is some. Why, you may ask? Because these are poor farmers and organized crime folks who aren't going to fork over $20 for a pack of seeds let alone $100, when they have generations of genetics that they know already work for the climate and client base.

k93

 

[GoatCheese]

Just noticed that atleast Blackstar coffeeshop in Amsterdam is selling Santa Maria.
Here is their April 19th menu:


http://www.coffeeshopmenus.org/Blackstar/Menus/Blackstar.html

 

[JamieShoes]

I have an SM mum from Esko (from selfed) I've given it to a few people who all say its a taste they cant really describe, sadly no one has ever been able to confirm or deny it's legitmacy to me... it is a beautiful plant, all head, but done in 8 weeks and the taste, whilst not cheese, is kinda in the same family. I havent run her for a while, so maybe I'll get some going again and start asking around. other characteristics, shes spindly and has trouble supporting herself, shes not a big yielder, the buds whilst spear shaped are quite compact. leaves are on the thinner side.

edit: just realised, I said all this on page 2, soz... lol damned stoners

 

[jahshaka]

just read this whole thread thought id throw in my 2 pence....i met cees up in holland near to lelystaad and we smoke his flagship strain the santa maria together.

Now i dont know how true the legend behind it is. however what i do know for sure this shit smelt unique...smoked unique. tottally different terps...i would say like a red grapefruit with cat piss sprayed on it. dont sound nice but believe me it was great.

true to description its not a dayender or super strong but is mad trippy. your mind starts moving 100mph.

i liked it so much i bought 10 packs. which some i still have. this was around 2004 i went at that time he had the real deal i cant say for now...will order a pack and confirm that soon enough. Definetly something id keep in the collection....Cees at no mercy know his shit. Also his double fun some right tasty ones to be had in that line.

 

[Lesnah]

@Jah...

would you say Santa Maria taste better than Double Fun?

Santa Maria is the firat cultivar i tried thinking og giving it another go. Let us know if you ens up running it again please.

 

[jahshaka]

@Jah...

would you say Santa Maria taste better than Double Fun?

Santa Maria is the firat cultivar i tried thinking og giving it another go. Let us know if you ens up running it again please.

i will update as soon as i get round to it my friend. in the meantime give it a shot you wont be disappointed.

 

[Lesnah]

whoa should've spell checked.....i meant SM was my first grow ever.

Yea i will. Idiit is a big fan of this cultivar too. Would be good to see a few updated grows soon.

 

[idiit]

I was real impressed with no mercy's sm in some hybrids for personal smoko. working on 2017 outdoor commercial strains and then will be running those sm hybrids under my new 315 cmh.

 

[highsteppa]

Idiit, what's your impression on the straight No Mercy SM? Effect and
flavor, etc. I have some in the stash. Thanks

 

[idiit]

^ I like it. I can't remember too much about it; up, energetic. not epic smoke for me puro. it was a couple years ago. I remember that the sm crosses I made were what were so impressive. "the secret sauce". the sm/aww was so strong the ppl including me couldn't finish one full bowl.

 

[cannawolf]

I will try to be simple and direct,

Santa Maria exists in a spiritual group that drinks ayahuasca, but we call it Santo Daime, it's a line of understanding of the teaching of the beverage and it's guide spirits. Santa Maria was brought to Europe around 1996 if i am not wrong, by a member and old follower of the path. He came to Holland to marry a dutch woman, and kept living in Netherlands untill 2014 when they left to live in Brasil back in the forest. The crosses that originated the planck/santa maria ( Santa Maria is a denomination for cannabis when used in the cerimony, it is not specific for a strain, so that it's called planck) they are unkown, it was common to get weed from colombia near the place where the group is located. In the comunity they used to grow for the cerimonies for a time untill the Federal Police enter and destroyed everything and made the agreement thaat they wouldn't keep doing this kind of works. In Holland/Netherland where cannabis is tolerated, Santa Maria is used as a sacrament in the ceremonies. I got after many years of missing Santa Maria/ Planck s cut of Sm that flows around Europe, well, it is not the same, it's the cut that smell a bit cheesy, this cut doesn't resembles the original Planck, perhaps we will never get it back, i have seeds from 2001 and will be trying to germinate next year when i am back in europe. I might be visiting my friend in the forest, if so, i make sure to get more history from him and try to clear out this for me, as it was always a big issue on my brain, at least i know i am close to the ones that "created" this strain. Sorry if i was any moment inapropriate.

all the best to all

Peace