any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[DankemsHunter]

Ill tell you what though, I transplanted 10 clones into soil solo cups and 40 into coco solo cups and there was probably about 3-5 times more root mass in coco girls. Thicker / Whiter roots.

 

[dansbuds]

Ive found that a lot of people like to wait till the top inch of coco is dry or pot starts to feel about half their wait when saturated during veg. What is your way of telling when you need to water during veg?

Dank I only let them dry out during the first couple days of transplants to let them roots catch. after that once the top of the coco starts to dry out Ill hit em with a watering do the lift test and then youll get a hang of how often theyll need waterings never let them dry out completely after the roots catch. boy do the ladies love waterings once their roots are established they perk up everytime. letting it dry out too much will cause problems that arent pretty.

-AJAE

couldn't have said it better myself !!! thanx AJAE

& thanx for the compliments too

 

[dansbuds]

Ill tell you what though, I transplanted 10 clones into soil solo cups and 40 into coco solo cups and there was probably about 3-5 times more root mass in coco girls. Thicker / Whiter roots.

Good deal !!! because even i'm having problems with cups of coco & young clones & seedlings , the weather changed & my coco is staying to wet to long & rotting the roots & killing my young'uns , shits pissin me off lol . go from a hot summer to a cold fall & i'm still feeding like its summer ..... dumb ass


the extreme temp differences of growing in attic is wearing on my nerves real bad lately .....

 

[DankemsHunter]

Good deal !!! because even i'm having problems with cups of coco & young clones & seedlings , the weather changed & my coco is staying to wet to long & rotting the roots & killing my young'uns , shits pissin me off lol . go from a hot summer to a cold fall & i'm still feeding like its summer ..... dumb ass


the extreme temp differences of growing in attic is wearing on my nerves real bad lately .....

I've been feeding my girls from all ages as soon as they get transplanted into cups the "Heisenberg Tea." Once a week.
(Per 5 gal)
3-5ml aquashield
1-2 cups humus
1/2-1 teaspoon great white
1 tablespoon molasses
This tea is said to prevent and CURE root rot. Apply only a little bit at base of stalk where it can cling to your main roots. 1/2-1 cup is all that is needed per plant (depending on size). I haven't seen a bad root since using this tea. Always feed a couple hours after your daily watering, never before. You never need more than a 5 gallons worth for your whole crop. Aerate for 36-72 hours. Anything after 72 hours, microbes will start dying.

 

[d3cryption]

I've been feeding my girls from all ages as soon as they get transplanted into cups the "Heisenberg Tea." Once a week.
(Per 5 gal)
3-5ml aquashield
1-2 cups humus
1/2-1 teaspoon great white
1 tablespoon molasses
This tea is said to prevent and CURE root rot. Apply only a little bit at base of stalk where it can cling to your main roots. 1/2-1 cup is all that is needed per plant (depending on size). I haven't seen a bad root since using this tea. Always feed a couple hours after your daily watering, never before. You never need more than a 5 gallons worth for your whole crop. Aerate for 36-72 hours. Anything after 72 hours, microbes will start dying.

you would love ogbiowar.

 

[jayjayfrank]

ogbiowar for the win

 

[DankemsHunter]

you would love ogbiowar.

Nute pack? What and how do u like to use it?

 

[DankemsHunter]

Okay so I got a few questions. 2 pictures below are rooted clones that have been transplanted into solo cups about 1 week ago. I let them get dry before I watered them for the second time. Then I let it go about half dry before next. Why have some of them rooted much harder than others? Should I be watering these plants every day? Would you let the ones that have not much of a root structure dry out?
Also, the pictures of the plants in 1.5 gals were fully rooted solo cups. They have been in the 1.5 for a week. Not much growth and kind of yellow. I havent watered em since transplanting (Yeah, its been a week) and some of them are still kind of heavy. Would you still let them dry out or feed em with fresh nutes and oxygen every day/other day? Need some quick advice fellas. Used brick coco and it seems pretty packed into these pots..

 

[d3cryption]

Nute pack? What and how do u like to use it?

all 3 packs...... if you can only get 2 get root and foliar.... nute pack is pretty much a myco...... used only at transplants (from rooted clone to final pot)... root and foliar you use once weekly.... it also can be foliar fed... check out the sub forum over at the farm...

 

[slowandeasy]

Okay so I got a few questions. 2 pictures below are rooted clones that have been transplanted into solo cups about 1 week ago. I let them get dry before I watered them for the second time. Then I let it go about half dry before next. Why have some of them rooted much harder than others? Should I be watering these plants every day? Would you let the ones that have not much of a root structure dry out?
Also, the pictures of the plants in 1.5 gals were fully rooted solo cups. They have been in the 1.5 for a week. Not much growth and kind of yellow. I havent watered em since transplanting (Yeah, its been a week) and some of them are still kind of heavy. Would you still let them dry out or feed em with fresh nutes and oxygen every day/other day? Need some quick advice fellas. Used brick coco and it seems pretty packed into these pots..

What kind of Coco? Bricks can be full of Salts, did you rinse or precharge with nutes? Just buy a bag of Canna and water with normal nutes. Worth the little extra for good Coco.

I prefer to bottom feed for awhile after transplant and just keep top of coco moist. This will promote roots to seek water, downwards. I also suggest feeding daily once rooted. I also prefer feeding multiple times per day and using smaller pots. Feeding more often equals faster growth. If it takes more than 2 days for your pot to dry out, you are overwatering and the pot is Too big. coco is hydro with a medium....don't treat it like soil. I water daily or multiple times per day No matter what the size. You do not have to water to run off if you are not blasting your plants with high EC . Use less each watering, but water more often and your plants will do better. I. Get 8+ Oz dried using 1 gal pots all of the time using straight Canna Coco and modified 6/9. Experimenting with V+B to see if The end product is any better, I am more than happy with my harvest sizes. Good luck

 

[DankemsHunter]

What kind of Coco? Bricks can be full of Salts, did you rinse or precharge with nutes? Just buy a bag of Canna and water with normal nutes. Worth the little extra for good Coco.

I prefer to bottom feed for awhile after transplant and just keep top of coco moist. This will promote roots to seek water, downwards. I also suggest feeding daily once rooted. I also prefer feeding multiple times per day and using smaller pots. Feeding more often equals faster growth. If it takes more than 2 days for your pot to dry out, you are overwatering and the pot is Too big. coco is hydro with a medium....don't treat it like soil. I water daily or multiple times per day No matter what the size. You do not have to water to run off if you are not blasting your plants with high EC . Use less each watering, but water more often and your plants will do better. I. Get 8+ Oz dried using 1 gal pots all of the time using straight Canna Coco and modified 6/9. Experimenting with V+B to see if The end product is any better, I am more than happy with my harvest sizes. Good luck

I appreciate you takin the time to write me back. I used GH brick cocotek for half of em and I used Roots organic coco for the other half. The roots organic is drying out much faster and plants look much healthier.. Wish I would have used it for all of them or did some research prior. The brick coco reminds me of coffee grounds. And you have to soak the brick coco (which I soaked in a 1/2 strength solution) which makes it much more compact. My solo cups that I transplanted into 1.5-2 gal pots are still around 75% wet in the brick coco and 25% wet in the Roots Organic and its been 8 days.... I checked the roots on one of saturated pots and they are moving around in there, just not as vigorous as the Roots Organic. I am going to let them go as long as they need to take to become 75% dry. You live and you learn. The brick coco ones will probably be a week or two behind schedule but I am sure that they will figure it out..

 

[whiteberrieS]

Got the hard, gonna go dirty next instead of waiting for HD, with the two I'll have like a years' worth. Cuz my bishes like it hard n' dirty.

 

[whiteberrieS]

They're Sour Bubble BX1/2 beasts by the way. Only got 2 phenos right now, 4 plants, 8 beans in-waiting, gotta clear up some room in the vegger. Been getting em stripped down for some big solid Sour Bubble nugs. I'll post some "before VB" pix tomorrow, week 2 flower. VB should be here wednesday.

 

[dansbuds]

Good luck with it WB

 

[slowandeasy]

I appreciate you takin the time to write me back. I used GH brick cocotek for half of em and I used Roots organic coco for the other half. The roots organic is drying out much faster and plants look much healthier.. Wish I would have used it for all of them or did some research prior. The brick coco reminds me of coffee grounds. And you have to soak the brick coco (which I soaked in a 1/2 strength solution) which makes it much more compact. My solo cups that I transplanted into 1.5-2 gal pots are still around 75% wet in the brick coco and 25% wet in the Roots Organic and its been 8 days.... I checked the roots on one of saturated pots and they are moving around in there, just not as vigorous as the Roots Organic. I am going to let them go as long as they need to take to become 75% dry. You live and you learn. The brick coco ones will probably be a week or two behind schedule but I am sure that they will figure it out..

You have not watered in 8 days? That is a problem right there! You need to charge with full strength and squeeze most of the moisture out of it. Just so it is damp for transplant. Then feed them around the edges of the pots. Do not soak the coco, just feed enough to keep coco damp until roots start to grow good. It is better to barely water more often than to soak coco. If you are not feeding daily or every 2 days during this time of transplant you soaked the coco too much. Use smaller pots or air pruning pots....they dry out faster. Your plant should need to be watered more often. Add airflow to bottom plant area if you need to speed the drying of the coco. Once you get the hang of it,you will see hydro like growth. Good luck

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

You have not watered in 8 days? That is a problem right there! You need to charge with full strength and squeeze most of the moisture out of it. Just so it is damp for transplant. Then feed them around the edges of the pots. Do not soak the coco, just feed enough to keep coco damp until roots start to grow good. It is better to barely water more often than to soak coco. If you are not feeding daily or every 2 days during this time of transplant you soaked the coco too much. Use smaller pots or air pruning pots....they dry out faster. Your plant should need to be watered more often. Add airflow to bottom plant area if you need to speed the drying of the coco. Once you get the hang of it,you will see hydro like growth. Good luck

So on point !! def squeeze the sides after rinsing the coco on transplanting so that its not damp like slow said. Also like slow mentioned aerate the medium a little more could help alot like a 50/50 coco perlite mix mixed in with other stuff like lava rocks/growstones just some sort of aeration. small pots on clones is a definite yes just make sure you keep an eye when those roots hit the bottom so you dont get rootbound either ! Bottom feed will def get roots looking but I never found it to necessary.

You got this


AJAE

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Wow, long thread.

I ordered a sample of RO to try out and I will let y'all know how it goes once I start using it.

 

[DankemsHunter]

You have not watered in 8 days? That is a problem right there! You need to charge with full strength and squeeze most of the moisture out of it. Just so it is damp for transplant. Then feed them around the edges of the pots. Do not soak the coco, just feed enough to keep coco damp until roots start to grow good. It is better to barely water more often than to soak coco. If you are not feeding daily or every 2 days during this time of transplant you soaked the coco too much. Use smaller pots or air pruning pots....they dry out faster. Your plant should need to be watered more often. Add airflow to bottom plant area if you need to speed the drying of the coco. Once you get the hang of it,you will see hydro like growth. Good luck

Thanks for the write back Slow! I agree. I soaked the coco too much, and transplanted in to too big of a pot. They are definitely more than half dry so I will start feeding the bastards and see how they like it. I am probably going to feed every other to every other 2 days until I see some significant growth. Then I will start to water every day to every other day.

On another note, I have seen much better VEG results with Mills Nutrients. Maybe I haven't dialed in the V+B. I'm sure thats the case. But I found the "G Spot" in veg with mills when I was using it, so I am going to go back to the tried and true fellas. Like I said, I am sure I am not using the V+B right, but plants just aren't enjoying themselves as much as they were when I was feeding em Mills!

I am going to leave them in these 1/2 gals and 1.5 gals until they get root bound and are drinking on the daily before I transplant.

 

[slowandeasy]

Straight V+B veg growth is too slow for me. Chris suggests foliar spraying with +SIZE. I get way faster veg growth with 6/9, no reason to foliar feed either. But my Dirty plant grew faster in veg than RO version. Stretched more after flip too, but the little buds at start of week 3 flower look slightly bigger on the RO vs Dirty. Both plants have zero problems. Just want toncompare end products. Good luck

 

[TNewell753]

Anyone in coco using the +life with any noticeable differences than just running v+b/+size on their own.