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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

dansbuds

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you like to lolipop post stretch?

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dansbuds

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yes , perilite up to the drain hole on the side . about an inch on the 2 gallons & about 2" on the 3.5's

i have mixed feelings about hempys , i've done a side by side with 3 gallon hempys & 3 gallon square pots & didn't see any major differences in the yield or growth on the 2 pots . i've also used the 3 gallon smart pots & i always come back to the plastic square pots dtw , just filled with straight coco , no perilite or anything . they're the easiest to deal with .

hempys are good because you can transplant a rooted clone right into your final pot & just veg & flower it out all in the same pot with no transplanting .
the smart pots are nice & you do get a better root system with them cuz of the fabric . my only issue with them was getting them clean after use .... it was bitch !!
i just like the ease of use & cleaning with the 3 gallon white DTW pots & I haven't seen a major difference in the plants at all to say one type pot is better than the other ..... stick with what ya like .
i ran 2 gallon pots for years with great results , put out few with 6 to 7 ounces on them in 2's , but i have gone to using only 4 3 gallon pots per light with some veg time & am getting damn close to half pounders now:dance013:

go with what ever pot is easiest to use in your system .
 
yes , perilite up to the drain hole on the side . about an inch on the 2 gallons & about 2" on the 3.5's

i have mixed feelings about hempys , i've done a side by side with 3 gallon hempys & 3 gallon square pots & didn't see any major differences in the yield or growth on the 2 pots . i've also used the 3 gallon smart pots & i always come back to the plastic square pots dtw , just filled with straight coco , no perilite or anything . they're the easiest to deal with .

hempys are good because you can transplant a rooted clone right into your final pot & just veg & flower it out all in the same pot with no transplanting .
the smart pots are nice & you do get a better root system with them cuz of the fabric . my only issue with them was getting them clean after use .... it was bitch !!
i just like the ease of use & cleaning with the 3 gallon white DTW pots & I haven't seen a major difference in the plants at all to say one type pot is better than the other ..... stick with what ya like .
i ran 2 gallon pots for years with great results , put out few with 6 to 7 ounces on them in 2's , but i have gone to using only 4 3 gallon pots per light with some veg time & am getting damn close to half pounders now:dance013:

go with what ever pot is easiest to use in your system .

Yes sir. I am also going to run 4 3gallon pots per light/table. I know its strain dependent, but lets say GG4. How long do you like to veg her for, or how tall do you let each get? Mine are about 2 weeks old, around 9" tall and I just topped some of the taller shoots. I got some in 1/2 gal FWOK and some in 4"x4" 25% perlite 75% coco.
 

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Yes sir. I am also going to run 4 3gallon pots per light/table. I know its strain dependent, but lets say GG4. How long do you like to veg her for, or how tall do you let each get? Mine are about 2 weeks old, around 9" tall and I just topped some of the taller shoots. I got some in 1/2 gal FWOK and some in 4"x4" 25% perlite 75% coco.


to many variables to really give a veg time table , but i'd say veg till they're half way to where you want them to be when they stop stretching . most plants will double in stretch , indicas can stay shorter & need a longer veg where sativas can be ran from clone because they stretch so much ...... GG4 is one that stretches for 21 days , so they need to go in kinda short unless ya scrog them .

this was my first grow of the GG ... its pretty detailed as to what GG4 can do

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=9

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=8

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=7

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=6

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to many variables to really give a veg time table , but i'd say veg till they're half way to where you want them to be when they stop stretching . most plants will double in stretch , indicas can stay shorter & need a longer veg where sativas can be ran from clone because they stretch so much ...... GG4 is one that stretches for 21 days , so they need to go in kinda short unless ya scrog them .

this was my first grow of the GG ... its pretty detailed as to what GG4 can do

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=9

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=8

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=7

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=46366&page=6

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I know you've said it somewhere in here but when do u incorporate plus size and how much?
 

dansbuds

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i use it from day 35 to day 39 , 1 rez full . i use an 18 gallon rez & it takes 4 days to empty it . i mix in 5 gallon buckets & then dump it in the rez , i use 1 tsp of the plus size for each 5 gallon bucket .
 

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Wow Humble, looks killer!
I'm seeing varying recommendations for the V+B / dirty combo.. do you chose the tap version because of your local water? I'm assuming the primary difference in the RO vs the Tap versions is cal/mag content; My local water is on the soft side and I'm in coco-- wondering if the RO would be recommended for my setup? And what are your thoughts on the FWOK? can you compare using it to grow cubes (crutons)? How's the prep?
thanks for thoughts and insights, keep killin it

I like the tap/dirty combo for pH maintenance reasons. I run a recirc bucket system and the pH would rise way too fast with The Dirty alone. My source water is .3ec and with the combo at 5 grams per gallon my pH is around 5.3 . After a week or recirc it's still -6.0 pH, perfect for my schedule. The weekly rise in ph seems to surge the plants. The fwok is easier than rock wool alone. The conditioner that comes with it is a little too much imho so I soak the fwok in it at 1/4 strength or the wool part of fwok stays to wet.


I used +size on these GG4's from middle of week 2 to week 6. from week 6 on I just added Ro to my reservoir and let the pH swing up. Finished up really well, the resin is off the charts.

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i use it from day 35 to day 39 , 1 rez full . i use an 18 gallon rez & it takes 4 days to empty it . i mix in 5 gallon buckets & then dump it in the rez , i use 1 tsp of the plus size for each 5 gallon bucket .

Is there a reason why you use it for a few days rather than from week3-6?
 

dansbuds

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not really other than i'm kinda old school in my ways of thinking . i think of it as a PK boost & add it as such . i will eventually add it more often , but i'm just getting used to it & i wanted to see if it effected anything before i add more .
start slow & build from there is my way of doing things .


Is there a reason why you use it for a few days rather than from week3-6?
 
First picture is of GG4 in FWOK. They seem to be stretching a lot. 2nd and 3rd pic are in coco. They are short and stocky. I am liking the structure of the coco much better. But only time will tell. Feeding em 1.0ec. I feel like the coco are a little to light green and some of the leaves are twisting so I bumped up their feeding to 1.1ec this morning.

 

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That leaf twist is just a trait of the GG4 , it has nothing to do with the nutes .
 

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I like the tap/dirty combo for pH maintenance reasons. I run a recirc bucket system and the pH would rise way too fast with The Dirty alone. My source water is .3ec and with the combo at 5 grams per gallon my pH is around 5.3 . After a week or recirc it's still -6.0 pH, perfect for my schedule. The weekly rise in ph seems to surge the plants. The fwok is easier than rock wool alone. The conditioner that comes with it is a little too much imho so I soak the fwok in it at 1/4 strength or the wool part of fwok stays to wet.


I used +size on these GG4's from middle of week 2 to week 6. from week 6 on I just added Ro to my reservoir and let the pH swing up. Finished up really well, the resin is off the charts.

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you and dans both are really showing me this stuff works, like Obama said, its time for a change.
 
That leaf twist is just a trait of the GG4 , it has nothing to do with the nutes .

Ahhh right on thanks dan. I stole your pipe cleaner / clip idea for pulling branches down! Super ez and pro. What are your thoughts on the GG4 in FWOK in my previous post? They are stretching super hard and growth is kind of slow. Have you ran into this problem? Like I said I had my lights on 18/6. I read that plants stretch kind of hard in 18/6 so I changed it to 20/4. I am going to try a few test plants and bump the ec up to 1.2 and 1.4 on a few plants and see how they respond.
 

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