any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[MaynardG_Krebs]

I just got my sample of Veg+Bloom.. was a little dissappointed that it was clearly labeled from 'Hydroponic Research'.. this probably is not an issue for most people, but in a small town like where I live, the postman notices stuff like this. Really kinda sucks..

mgk

 

[PetFlora]

not sure about copper and zinc but it has small amounts of silica, but the owner of the co. advised me to add more.


smells like gatorade, thats the carb additive

He must have added more Si. I wrote him earlier this week to inquire and he said it has sufficient Si.

Photos are same plant. Hand behind bud is ~ 1/2 way down the plant.

Vegged - 2nd week of flower with DM Gold.

I am starting my clones off with V+B. Can't wait to see the veg growth

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[cyat]

He must have added more Si. I wrote him earlier this week to inquire and he said it has sufficient Si.

im sure its sufficient, i rarely add silica anyway and didnt when I used v and b nutes either, but

he said there are small amounts of silica but adding more is what he recommended, we talked for a long time in person, Ive been to their "factory"

I used this stuff for a few complete runs in waterfarms, coco ebb n flo, dirt, and vermiculite/lava mix

 

[Prodigygrower]

I'm deff gonna use this on my next run with a few things added like silica blast, hygrozyme, moab, hammer head, and bud candy maybe a compost tea when they get fresh water. $100 for 5lb is kool especially when running coco beds that only need to be watered 1 or 2 times a week. Since i have 2 4x4 beds i'm gonna use one with just V+B only and the other with the additions I listed and see witch produces better. If I can get results that are any where close to what i was getting using advanced connie and additives I'm deff gonna make the switch for good. I was spending like 1,000 every run and a half so much much cheaper. I would like to try heavy 16's line up and metrop's line as well and maybe aptus eventually to see how they stack up against the other lines i have run.

 

[netprophet]

The RO is better than I thought.... 4 days in and roots all over the place on my transplants...nice fuzzy fat ass roots!! and my moms are growing back faster then I can keep up....

 

[TheBioMaster]

I just got my sample of Veg+Bloom.. was a little dissappointed that it was clearly labeled from 'Hydroponic Research'.. this probably is not an issue for most people, but in a small town like where I live, the postman notices stuff like this. Really kinda sucks..

mgk

Ummmmm..that is kinda the name of his business bro, Hydroponic-Research

You really cant blame a person for at least putting there name of business on a package. Your small town postman needs to get out more and it seems you do as well.......there is a giant big world out there waiting for you.......Hydroponic-Research covers a VERY wide range of meanings and does not directly refer to MJ in any way shape or form...do you have any idea how much hydroponics is used WORLD WIDE for greenhouse food crops alone????? That is not to count all the other applications. Just because YOU are limited in vocabulary and in the meaning of the words and make automatic false assumptions does not mean all others do that have lets say a little more broad spectrum of the english vocabulary.....

Some people will find something to bitch about and complain no matter what the case it seems.....

 

[TheBioMaster]

The somewhat new custom formula especially for DWC or RDWC systems (NH4 Free) contains a new fulvic isolate with the lowest molecular weight of any fulvic on the market. That also makes it the most "bio-active" fulvic on the market as well. This stuff keeps getting better and better! It is also one of the most ph stable nutrients hands down. We tested it against Advanced ph perfect 2 part sensi line and guess which product was more ph stable????

Veg+Bloom is very complete and also contains lots of silica in several forms which also helps to stabilize the ph.

 

[Prodigygrower]

I have a question for those using this in pure coco and using the ro formula do you need to add calmag ? Also i see it needs more silica so i should deff still use silica blast? The more i read the more and more i'm coming to terms with just using V+b witch is hard for me seeing as I'm used to using lots of products like bennies compost teas carbs and sugars. With this being a all chem fert it would be pointless for me to use bennies correct? My new set up is going to be a 4x8 with 2 4x4 botanicare ebb n flow hydro tables. I was thinking of doing one with the coco bed like i planned and the other using rock wool since i have a some of it already the only thing that i keep thinking is if i just run the coco beds its much simpler seeing as i can just pull the plants clean up the roots and replant. this is a much smaller set up than my last i was running 4k using 7gal smart pots of pure coco so I do know what i'm doing just never used this stuff b4. I'm gonna say fuck it grabb a 5lb bucket and see where it takes me has any one tried using enzymes and more carbs and sugars like hygrozyme and budcandy i have always used lots of carbs and sugars my line up usually as far as carbs and sugars i use bud candy liquid carboload Gatorade and sour dee would this also not be needed using V+b? Really excited to see what i can do with a smaller space a simpler nut line up and co2 I just hope it can pull the weight that i'm used to any way thanks for all the great info this is gonna be fun have you guys noticed that different strains liked the v+b better than other's like og's and kushes since thats all i plan to run i still have to decide what strains to run but I know that i'm gonna run lemon alien dawg, and a few from bodhi I think that is gonna be the hardest part seeing as I'm a sour feign and I lost all my gear in dec and there is no more sour d ibl around. Thanks guys this info really has helped me I'm done spending 1000's on advanced even though i did get good results I think I have wasted enough bread on nutes witch leaves me more money to fuel my seed addiction lol

 

[TheBioMaster]

I tell all people first trying V+B to do yourself a favor and on the first run to use ONLY V+B and see what you get. It is COMPLETE! Plenty of silica in several forms as well!! No Cal/Mag is needed but can be used if you want to supplement cal/mag.

V+B also contains many organic compounds and it is not a "all chemical nutrient". It contains amino acids, cytokinns, humics, and as mentioned contains the best fulvic isolate on the market, or should I say the most bio-active.

You can use tea's with V+B if you like using tea's and bennies. But really to be fair to yourself, you should try the first run with only V+B and see what you get. Most get the cleanest product that they have ever grown, best tasting and bigger yields even.

At low dosage it acts as a veg formula, at medium dosages it acts as a bloom formula, and at higher dosages it acts as a bloom nutrient PLUS the PK Boosters.

V+B is not only one of easiest nutrients to "dial in" (only takes one run to dial things in) but it is also great for folks that like to mix and match strains. You can easily find a "happy dosage" that will keep different strains all happy at the same time.

Suggested dosages;

Small plants and seedlings get from 0 to 200PPM (.5 x500 conversion rates), medium plants should get around 400 to 600PPM and larger plants in flower about 600 to 800PPM and then for mid to later flowering stages you can run it at 800 to 1000PPM. For aggressive flowering schedules have seen people go up to around 1400PPM........

 

[Prodigygrower]

Kool thanks man its just hard for me since i started growing using advanced connie and it just feels wrong to be only using one thing i know i know the pics dnt lie but it just feels wrong you know like when you see 2 guys holding hands walking through the mall lol i'll bite the bullet and try it thanks so you think it would be ok to add bennies to the mix and v+b won't kill them? I focus soo much on my root mass when growing that i have to add some bennies at least when i fill the coco beds i mix it in i'll prolly just add some carboload to make sure they get fed every few waterings just as a lil extra never hurt unless the v+b contains carbs like the powder version of carboload? Man i'll just use V+b like you said but if i'm not happy I'm comin for you Bmaster lol thats awesome i didnt know it had the amino acids cytokinns and humics in it already what about enzymes are those in there as well i have found that my girls roots always look better when i use hygrozyme what do you think/

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

Ummmmm..that is kinda the name of his business bro, Hydroponic-Research

You really cant blame a person for at least putting there name of business on a package. Your small town postman needs to get out more and it seems you do as well.......there is a giant big world out there waiting for you.......Hydroponic-Research covers a VERY wide range of meanings and does not directly refer to MJ in any way shape or form...do you have any idea how much hydroponics is used WORLD WIDE for greenhouse food crops alone????? That is not to count all the other applications. Just because YOU are limited in vocabulary and in the meaning of the words and make automatic false assumptions does not mean all others do that have lets say a little more broad spectrum of the english vocabulary.....

Some people will find something to bitch about and complain no matter what the case it seems.....

Thank you for your condescending words of wisdom. Congratulations on not having any security concerns of your own. I do not begrudge anyone the right to put the name of their business on an envelope, however some of us do have to be concerned of issues like this and I was simply stating the issue for others that have these concerns. I do think in this particular case, they should consider using initials instead of fully spelling out the name. But again, thank you for your respectful commentary on my concerns.

mgk

 

[TheBioMaster]

Sorry, I have little time for sugar coating the facts and what I posted is not related or reference to security as that is important as well. The point is that "Hydroponic-Research" does NOT refer to MJ cultivation in any way shape or form. AS I mentioned there is a world wide effort going on right now in the field of "Hydroponic-Research" and again it has nothing to with MJ nor is it based on MJ cultivation.

Just because you can grow MJ using hydroponic methods does not mean you are or have too. Most crops grown using hydroponic methods today is NOT MJ anyhow but food crops instead, like vegtables, ect....

I appreciate the time you took to express heavy sarcasm in your reply.....

 

[rives]

BM, I'm curious about the mid-to-late flowering nutrient levels that you recommended. You have the nutrient strength peaking during this period, yet the instructions on H-R's web site recommends the strongest nutrient levels during weeks 1-3 of flowering and then backing off by 33%-50% during weeks 4-6. I was curious about the difference in the two approaches.

 

[TheBioMaster]

It is just a suggestion or general guide to help explain how V+B is a veg and bloom formula with boosters all in one. Most strains will uptake the most nutrients up to about week 4 to 6 in flower, and after that will uptake or eat very little. By then they have stored lots of nutrients up so to speak and you want to start cutting back on nutrients to force the plant to use what is stored.

This will vary.... if you had a 12 week sativa strain or a short flowering indica that in done in 6 to 8 weeks time and in either case your formula/feeding schedule will need to be adjusted accordingly.

It is for sure a different school of thought. In the past growers thought of "pushing" there crops with nutrients which is now known to be not at all the way it even works.

Flushing is really effectively done by lowering and controlling your nutrient EC levels at proper times during the growth cycles as opposed to more traditional/popular methods which entail starving the plant with just water for 2 weeks......the flush is really done with the "cure" and proper drying methods.

Bad habits are hard to break, especially when the habit doesnt totally kill the plant!...
Overfed plants will be overfed plants.....period.

 

[netprophet]

I'm pushin' 500ppms under t5's and just threw them on the hugos under HPS at 800ppms and they are moving faasssssst. I'm thinking with this shade of green they don't need much more to get those puffy swollen glands.

 

[PetFlora]

Being primarily a high pressure aeroponic grower, but also developed my DIY 21st Century Flood & Drain set up (you can read up on it in my journal) I am used to max 800 ppms during flower, up until ~ 3 weeks to harvest, then back it down 200 ppms/wk. That said I pushed my first version of F & D to 1200, but only for several weeks in late veg as the plant was growth off the charts with my unique feed cycle, but then I was using DM Gold A & B + all the supplements; Zone, Si, AD.27, and I can see that HR V+B is way more bio-available to the plants

I did push V+B to ~1100 for one week (testing) before backing down to ~800, then ~ 600, now ~ 400. Friday I drop to ~ 200- 100 for the last 7-10 days.

Plants have fattened up quite a bit since my pics were taken a week ago Friday, at which point the nutes were only ~ 600ppms

 

[netprophet]

800ppms was too much, dropped it to 650 and they are sucking it up, flippin' today, oh and thats an EC of 1.3 on the next run for the veg state

 

[netprophet]

damn AC went out! ran like 90 for 4-5 days straight in their first week but..... my babies stayed strong! I hit up my shop to see if there was anything I could add to suppliment during the stress while I got my AC fixed but they said the Veg+Bloom has things in it to assist during drought?? I guess so cuz they are chugging along! Likin' the RO so far, super stable and clean!!

 

[dansbuds]

These ladies are eating up 1k ppm right now @ 38 days & loving it !!!

 

[dpfour20]

Ummmmm..that is kinda the name of his business bro, Hydroponic-Research

You really cant blame a person for at least putting there name of business on a package. Your small town postman needs to get out more and it seems you do as well.......there is a giant big world out there waiting for you.......Hydroponic-Research covers a VERY wide range of meanings and does not directly refer to MJ in any way shape or form...do you have any idea how much hydroponics is used WORLD WIDE for greenhouse food crops alone????? That is not to count all the other applications. Just because YOU are limited in vocabulary and in the meaning of the words and make automatic false assumptions does not mean all others do that have lets say a little more broad spectrum of the english vocabulary.....

Some people will find something to bitch about and complain no matter what the case it seems.....

just got my sample in the mail, name on return address was HR. I wasnt worried about it at all, but i could see why some people would be concerned i guess.