any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Caravaggio]

I think everyones water supply being different is whats causing the mixing problems . I had to stop using it cuz it just didn't mix well anymore . was causing a severe def in flower on most of my plants in the last round . i tried the dirty & it mixed great . the mix came out at a prefect 5.8 ..... but was up to 6.5 the next day . i can't adjust the PH daily in my rez's & i can't hand feed everyday either ..... so i had to switch . if i get to the point where i can hand feed .... i'll go back & try the dirty again cuz i loved the flowers V&B gave me ..... but its just not working here .

the original RO formula he had when it first came out ... was fantastic !!!!! some of the best harvests i've ever had
but after changing it .... it didn't work with my water anymore .... & that just sux !!! I really wish I had stocked up on some of the original formula .

We have had the same experience. Lived the original formula but this new one, Dirty, won't dissolve worth a damn. Maybe it was a bad batch.

I'm gonna give Jacks Classic a try instead.

 

[max_well]

Dang, bummer to hear that folks are finding inconsistency from batch-to-batch...

This stuff seemed too good to be true for it's simplicity and results... I don't know why they would change anything unless it was a forced decision? source ingredients from different or cheaper suppliers? or possibly change to formula to confirm to some regulations?
I just about to re-up on a big order of the RO formula, and have been recommending this to lots of growers , but thinking I need to get a small quantity to confirm that this still works with my h20.

We have had the same experience. Lived the original formula but this new one, Dirty, won't dissolve worth a damn. Maybe it was a bad batch.

I'm gonna give Jacks Classic a try instead.

 

[ICbuds]

Who is having these problems with getting it to mix up in R/O water?

R/O water is the same..... I never had troubles with the sample batch I had...

Just picked up a 25lb RO and no problems dissolving and mixing. I've gone through hundreds of pounds and my results are always great. The dirty leaves a residue in my Rez but nothing that creates problems in ebb and flow. We are consistently pushing 1.5-2lb of top shelf per 1k lamp all day and it flys when it's dry. The dirty definitely brings the oil and I would highly recommend it to anyone looking for an easy way to step up their game.

 

[habeeb]

does anyone know, if they cleared up there minimum analysis, as I know they were cited for out of bound numbers.

I used it a long time ago, and worked. wondering if they got it cleared up and up to par..

 

[ICbuds]

does anyone know, if they cleared up there minimum analysis, as I know they were cited for out of bound numbers.

I used it a long time ago, and worked. wondering if they got it cleared up and up to par..

I called and was told that the formula hasn't changed but the labeling was changed in order to make it easier to get through the states. Makes sense to me and as long as I'm getting results I don't care. I'll be sure to post up some of the latest gardens as they start to mature.

 

[Caravaggio]

Just picked up a 25lb RO and no problems dissolving and mixing. I've gone through hundreds of pounds and my results are always great. The dirty leaves a residue in my Rez but nothing that creates problems in ebb and flow. We are consistently pushing 1.5-2lb of top shelf per 1k lamp all day and it flys when it's dry. The dirty definitely brings the oil and I would highly recommend it to anyone looking for an easy way to step up their game.

There are ZERO problems with the Original formulas. Other than IMO it needs CalMag. The stuff we are talking about that will not dissolve was THE DIRTY.

My buddy bought a bunch as well as I did and he is about to send it back per the owners request. If that transaction goes smoothly I might consider doing the same on this 5lb and just swapping it for the old formula.

 

[ICbuds]

Sounds like you guys are more worried about what your water looks like and less about how your ladies look. I'm Lookin at Picture perfect plants here. Never needed cal mag with any of the formulas. I'm all about results and never stressing over some dust in my reservoir.
Change products bro it don't affect me at all. I've used a lot of what's out there and found something that works for my flowers.

 

[Caravaggio]

Sounds like you guys are more worried about what your water looks like and less about how your ladies look. I'm Lookin at Picture perfect plants here. Never needed cal mag with any of the formulas. I'm all about results and never stressing over some dust in my reservoir.
Change products bro it don't affect me at all. I've used a lot of what's out there and found something that works for my flowers.

I added 12 tsp to my res, watered and my res consistently has about 4 tsp sitting at the bottom. I only got a 5lb of this stuff and ive given it 3 weeks. Its just not dissolving. No one every said anything about the plants.

 

[think2toke]

I love the original. It was a litttle rough on my younger plants but once they got solid root mass they blew up. 2.5 weeks in and they are looking great! added bud ignitor but thats really been it.

 

[think2toke]

Also why use dirty in Hydro? Just use the original for hydro and dirty for dirt! You can excpect it to dissolve in water when filled with an organic cocktail of stuff.

 

[think2toke]

Also why use dirty in Hydro? Just use the original for hydro and dirty for dirt! You can excpect it to dissolve in water when filled with an organic cocktail of stuff.

Cant expect*

 

[dansbuds]

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Originally Posted by habeeb View Post
does anyone know, if they cleared up there minimum analysis, as I know they were cited for out of bound numbers.

I used it a long time ago, and worked. wondering if they got it cleared up and up to par..
I called and was told that the formula hasn't changed but the labeling was changed in order to make it easier to get through the states. Makes sense to me and as long as I'm getting results I don't care. I'll be sure to post up some of the latest gardens as they start to mature.

Thats NOT completely true .... the formula hasn't changed .... but he has changed some of the things in the formula for different brands/manufacturers whatever . cuz he told me himself he changed brand of Phospherous & thats probably what was falling out of suspension & settling in the bottom of my rez . so the formula maybe the same .... but its not the same products he used to use to get to that formula !!! & thats why it isn't jiving with my RO/DI water anymore .

 

[dansbuds]

Sounds like you guys are more worried about what your water looks like and less about how your ladies look. I'm Lookin at Picture perfect plants here. Never needed cal mag with any of the formulas. I'm all about results and never stressing over some dust in my reservoir.

Sorry but NO ! the K falling out of suspension & landing in the bottom of my rez totally fuked up my last run . no denseness to my buds at all !! & it WASN"T from excess heat !! it was lack of K in my nutes !!! had 2 plants outa 10 that had such a bad K def .... they were useless .
so sorry ..... i'm not just lookin at dusty water & healthy plants .... my plants got fuked by it big time !!

he goes back to the blue tinted original formula .... & i'm all over that shit !! it worked fantastic !!! but after the changes .... oh well .

 

[Grow4Flow]

he goes back to the blue tinted original formula .... & i'm all over that shit !! it worked fantastic !!! but after the changes .... oh well .

AMEN to that!

I still attribute this to overall cost savings rather than bettering a product. a couple of idioms come to mind....

"If it ain't broke........."
"Bait n Switch"

I talked 2 of my local hydro shops i do tons of business with to stock this stuff, and they did (of the original formula), but they too received the same complaints from customers who purchased this stuff. It must have looked pretty bad for me when i later started purchasing a different nutrient lineup after telling them how good this stuff was initially.

Now the owner of one of these shops, and also a good friend of mine is telling me that he can't return it? Hmmmmm, way to maintain customer loyalty.

 

[Tropical Rain]

he goes back to the blue tinted original formula .... & i'm all over that shit !!

Whats this?
How do I tell the difference in batches at the shop?
I should pick some up for future use.

 

[Grow4Flow]

you won't know until you open it. chances are, you won't have it unless your local hydro had it ordered when it first came out.

 

[Tropical Rain]

you won't know until you open it. chances are, you won't have it unless your local hydro had it ordered when it first came out.

Ahh nvm then. I missed lots in this thread since first getting my samples back when the thread started. ... Shop has some... but after reading this whole thread and then Dan's problems ...

 

[Caravaggio]

The Dirty I am using is said to be fine for hydro or soil. We use soilless and are getting way too much nutrient lost in our res. don't even bother trying to use it with Drippers.

 

[dansbuds]

My kid is hand feeding promix with the dirty & is having great results !!! I'm the one who bought the dirty & was going to try it in coco in my rez's . but when mixed it comes out to a perfect for coco of 5.8 .... but by the next day that same mix was up to 6.5 PH .... & I just can't be here to drop the PH of my rez's everyday . i never got to the point where i mixed a rez to see if there was fallout . & from the sounds of it ..... i'm glad i didn't or i'd be cleaning my pumps & drip lines to get the residue out of them .

so yeah the hydro & dirty work for some situations ..... not half as much as the original formula did !!!

Chris .... if your reading this ... which i know you do sometimes .....you tried to fix a working formula ... for whatever reason & it didn't work dude !!!!! I heard .... don't know how true it is .... but you were trying to get it Cali certified or something ????

please if you can .... go back to the original formula .... it freakin worked GREAT !!!

if it ain't broke ..... don't fix it !!!

 

[netprophet]

can't speak for the other formulas but promix and dirty rocking the house over here. I'm just top watering with a pump and 1/2" tubing, changing rez weekly, little brown turds but nothing effecting my pumps. haven't touched the ph, think it's around 6.2. also noticed I can run this one a lot weaker and get the same kinda vigor I used to get outta the ro mix