What's new
  • As of today ICMag has his own Discord server. In this Discord server you can chat, talk with eachother, listen to music, share stories and pictures...and much more. Join now and let's grow together! Join ICMag Discord here! More details in this thread here: here.

Another Cloning thread..

Another Cloning thread..

  • yes

    Votes: 37 82.2%

  • no

    Votes: 8 17.8%

  • too stoned to remember

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    45
L

Learningfirst

Member
Hey all,

I was just wondering if anyone else has had as many failed clone attempts as myself. Of course I've read so many of the tutorials both from JJ here, and in books and all over.

I guess I am just having shitty luck. Or perhaps I should buy some super-thrive or a bucket and try some of the more difficult looking cloning techniques. I guess I"m just curious about the experienced folk out there & if they may have had a lot of fails before the wins?

Peace.:ying:

Cool Poll results. I am pleased with a count vote population of nearly 20 members! Does show that dope doesn't make you dopey! Also; I'm certainly not alone in a quest to find the cloning technique. I have learned from this experiment and the knowledge of all those involved, that that best method to dial it in with cloning:" s to simply experiment and find what works best for you. There are several well informed tutorials so don't stop experimenting!" as written by the rock stars here on I.C. I raise my doob to everyone who contributes and those to come."

Peace.
 
Last edited:
O

old toby

Member
mr learning first--- like lots of things, you gotta have the right tools! i set up a cloner machine. power or bubbles. that eleminates most of the probs. i use the power one in winter. the pump helps keep water temps up. the bubble one in summer. it dont heat the water. good luck:tiphat:
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

Active member
Veteran
Learningfirst said:
Hey all,

I was just wondering if anyone else has had as many failed clone attempts as myself. Of course I've read so many of the tutorials both from JJ here, and in books and all over.

I guess I am just having shitty luck. Or perhaps I should buy some superthrive or a bucket and try some of the more difficult looking cloning techniques. I guess I"m just curious about the experienced folk out there & if they may have had a lot of fails before the wins?

Peace.:ying:
Click to expand...

HERE YA GO.
(hope this helps).

LUDA.
:)

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=177300&highlight=cloning
 
Scrogerman

Scrogerman

Active member
Veteran
This is a cracker too mate. Its hard to Fk it up, keep res temps high, in the low 80's(83f), they'll root at lower temps like 75f but its much quicker in the higher range. Takes me around 5-7 days to get a good root-mass-oh & i always scarify or split the stem or both, add a low dose of H2O2 to sterilise ya Res then lower temps gradually back down top 70f. Its never failed me. here ya go man!:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26473&page=2
Good Luck.
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

Active member
Veteran
GROWFAQ.


Materials required:
- Fluorescent light
- plastic tub
- liquid rooting hormone
- sharp knife/scalpel
- superthrive
- ph tester and adjuster

Cloning.

Take cuttings from clean, disease-free stock. Cuttings taken from plants that have been deprived of nutrients, especially water, will respond poorly. Cuttings of equal length foliage and color should be selected and must not contain deformities in leaf growth pattern for optimum uniformity of the plants after rooting. Select cuttings from the most vigorously growing portion of the plant; this is where the highest concentration of auxins (growth hormones) are found. Cuttings selected should be green barked and should not contain any of the woodier type bark which indicates age. The finished cutting should be as short as possible 4-5 inches is preferred. Remember, auxins are more concentrated at the growing tip. Three of four small, well-formed leaves should be left intact. The propagation area and all containers should be carefully cleaned to reduce the danger of infection. Fill plastic tub or other suitable container with clean water. It should not contain fertilizer, but it is advisable to adjust the ph to 6.4 (6.2 to 6.6 is acceptable). Also, add superthrive at a ratio of 10 drops per U.S. gallon. Maintain the water at a temperature of 78 degrees (26C).

The cuttings taken should be at least 1 inch longer than you are going to use make the cut with a sharp knife and immediately place the entire cutting into the PH adjusted water. While the cutting is under water, cut it to the final length. Make the cut in a single, smooth motion at a 45-degree angle to the stem. If there is an internode at the cut point, make your cut directly below the node. With the cutting still submerged remove any excess leaves. If there are no internodes at the cut, make three or four shallow vertical slits (no deeper than the outer bark) upward from the cut along the stem about 1/2 inch. These cut must be made with the cutting submerged or air will be sucked into the stem causing what as know as an air embolism in which bubbles block the movement of water up the stem. An air embolism can cause death or slow the rooting process by weeks. This is known as the sip of life technique. By making all secondary cuts underwater, you eliminate air bubbles, reduce unnecessary strain on the clone and allow the cutting to stabilize in a fluid environment. After making your second cut and removing any excess leaves under water, remove the cutting and submerge the cut end in a liquid rooting hormone. Make sure at least 1 inch of the cutting is placed in the hormone.

Reduce cutting stress.

By controlling light levels, humidity and temperature, your job is to keep the cutting in a complete state of dormancy. Cuttings with out roots are very sensitive to stress. Every effort should be made to minimize evaporation from the cuttings and avoid extreme light and temperature levels. Keep humidity as close to 100 percent as possible and maintain water and substrate temperatures at between 70 and 84 degrees (21-29C). Cooler water will slow root formation; warmer water will encourage disease. The lower the humidity level, the more water the plant will transpire, causing the cutting to use up stored food for things other than root production. It is important to hold the leaves as dormant as possible and permit the cutting to use more of it's energy on root development.

LUDA.
:)
 
FreezerBoy

FreezerBoy

Was blind but now IC Puckbunny in Training
Veteran
LUDACRIS said:
Keep humidity as close to 100 percent as possible
Click to expand...

There is only one correct way to clone and that's whatever way gives you the roots you need. That said, dangerously high RH is bad for the plant, easily avoided, and a clear indication of trouble elsewhere in your system. Clones can root dome free in RH as low as 15%.

Dangerous levels of RH are generally required due to excessive plant material. The larger the cut, the more roots it needs and... D'OH, some @#$% stole our roots!

Too much vs just enough...



While I had 100% success at rooting, dome weaning would kill 60% or more. Since placing the dome in the trash and avoiding lethal levels of RH, I haven't lost a cut in years.



If you need a dome, keep the dome but, if you try without, you may find you have both increased success and much less work.
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

Active member
Veteran
FreezerBoy said:
There is only one correct way to clone and that's whatever way gives you the roots you need. That said, dangerously high RH is bad for the plant, easily avoided, and a clear indication of trouble elsewhere in your system. Clones can root dome free in RH as low as 15%.

Dangerous levels of RH are generally required due to excessive plant material. The larger the cut, the more roots it needs and... D'OH, some @#$% stole our roots!

Too much vs just enough...



While I had 100% success at rooting, dome weaning would kill 60% or more. Since placing the dome in the trash and avoiding lethal levels of RH, I haven't lost a cut in years.



If you need a dome, keep the dome but, if you try without, you may find you have both increased success and much less work.
Click to expand...

There are different views on cloning and there is not only ONE WAY to clone and if that were the case then why do so many people use different methods.

LUDA.
:)
 
F

feral

There is no right way to clone. What works for me may not work for you. I've tried soil methods in the past and always failed. I use a bubbler or sometimes just a plain ol' cup of water. Experiment and find out what works for you in your situation and don't give up trying to you find something.
The 2 main things regardless for most if not all cloning methods is:
Very LOW level light. I use a 11 watt cfl @ 18 inches away. But this is what works for ME.
Temps. somewhere from 75-80 works best depending on the method used.
Good luck.
 
foomar

foomar

Luddite
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Rather than worry about imaginary embolisms , just make the effort to get the temperature right and the plant will root easier than any other species i have ever propagated whichever method you choose.

Why worry about a few ppm of chlorine when it actually helps avoid root infections and many people add a splash of peroxide for the same purpose anyway.
 
someotherguy

someotherguy

Active member
Veteran
FreezerBoy said:
Took months before I saw a root. Now I'm at 100%. Hang in there baby.

CLONERS- a collection of various methods Lists the best examples of the various methods I could find here. All in one easy location with links to original threads.

Break a stem
Click to expand...

LUDACRIS said:
There are different views on cloning and there is not only ONE WAY to clone and if that were the case then why do so many people use different methods.

LUDA.
:)
Click to expand...

with all due respect, if you look up you'll see that FB
said the exact same thing, in fact, if you look around
you'll see he has always espoused the belief that it's
a matter of finding out what works for you, that is the
best way, just 'cause it works for you.

frankly, lol, i didn't even know he uses a bubbler!

anyway, my preferred method is a passive wick style
using ice-tube-trays from walmart, and it's listed in
that thread FB compiled to make it easy for the noobs
to find all the best of the different methods, so they
could find a method that would work for them.

btw, like FB, i don't use any domes and i get near
100% as well, not perfect yet, but close, and mine
doesn't need to be plugged in, easy peasy lemon
squeazy.

actually, i only tried it 'cause it looked so simple, i
was already near 100% with my bubbler. boy am
i glad i did, now i can fit 3 times as many cuts in the
same space and it's so simple, it's almost cut and forget!

here's a few pics to illustrate, for you Learningfirst.



anyway, i believe that anyone can make this method
work, and i mean anyone!

if you doubt, give it a try, read the original thread,
follow a couple simple instructions and i guarantee
success, period. . .btw, it'll only cost you about $10.00
to prove me wrong, lol, or prove me right.

peace, SOG
 
someotherguy

someotherguy

Active member
Veteran
JJScorpio

JJScorpio

Thunderstruck
ICMag Donor
Veteran
FreezerBoy said:
There is only one correct way to clone and that's whatever way gives you the roots you need. That said, dangerously high RH is bad for the plant, easily avoided, and a clear indication of trouble elsewhere in your system. Clones can root dome free in RH as low as 15%.

Dangerous levels of RH are generally required due to excessive plant material. The larger the cut, the more roots it needs and... D'OH, some @#$% stole our roots!

Too much vs just enough...



While I had 100% success at rooting, dome weaning would kill 60% or more. Since placing the dome in the trash and avoiding lethal levels of RH, I haven't lost a cut in years.



If you need a dome, keep the dome but, if you try without, you may find you have both increased success and much less work.
Click to expand...

With a bubbler you also have more water vapor near the plants, which helps greatly with water evap from the leaves.

But as everyone says, whatever works best for you is the way you should be doing it. When I get some spare time I have a couple new methods I want to try.....
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Latest posts

Top