amnesia haze hy-pro cut vs somas line

[Cheesegez]

i recently grew some soma beans 2 plants same phenotype took her to 12 weeks as instructed and it tastes like thai stick as stated on seed pack . amnesia haze that ive smoked in the past from the dam etc was a different level had a fruity haze smell and taste so im assuming its not from somas line ? any ideas

peace CG

 

[Mayhem84]

Never ran no ammo before but heard the core cut is ment to b nice

 

[mr.brunch]

Amnesia in the dam is from clone, not related to somas line- some say it's a super silver haze clone , although I've also heard it's a nevils haze X afghan.
Who knows

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

i recently grew some soma beans 2 plants same phenotype took her to 12 weeks as instructed and it tastes like thai stick as stated on seed pack . amnesia haze that ive smoked in the past from the dam etc was a different level had a fruity haze smell and taste so im assuming its not from somas line ? any ideas

peace CG

Whenever we got a new craze in the weed world, Soma does his own take on it, like SoGouda when Cheese arrived, well Somas Amnesia Haze is his similar thing, it bears no relation to the HyPro/Moppel/Core Amnesia clone

Somas version is classic Sativa, all woody type aromas, whereas the Amnesia Clone is distinctively lemony, in a slightly over mature style, not fresh/zingy, really easy to tell apart. The clone is stronger and yields better, also has way more bag appeal and is now an internationally known standard. Overproduced,it has actually dropped in price in Holland because of her success

The original clone was found in a pack of old Greenhouse Super Silver Haze, according to what Mr HyPro told MrHaze and others, originally. ..

 

[Mustafunk]

I think that Amnesia Haze from Soma should be a cross between the Amnesia/SSH dutch clone-only and the G13/Haze male that Soma used in order to create half of his strains and allegedly got from Shantibaba. However only he knows the truth.

Anyway in my opinion this matches a bit more with Soma's bussiness and breeding practices to be honest... so the more sativa looks from Soma's version of Amnesia Haze should be coming from the Haze parental. In this case, true lineage should be (NL#5/HazeC X Skunk/HazeC) X G13/HazeC. Sounds like 100% Nevil's for me, I can't figure out why Mr Nice isn't selling this one too lol.

Sometimes things are much simpler than it seems or they want to make us believe.

On the other hand, Amnesia cut from Amsterdam is SSH bagseeds from Sensi's SSH, similar story to C99. No need for spectulation, this is well known. Core himself, Moppel, the Bio-Ibo shop guys and Hy-Pro crew spoke about it plenty times. But of course people don't want us to know, so they can keep renaming classic cuts and selling buds and seeds to us like something brand new!

Same old story. Just my 2 cents.

Vibes.

 

[GoatCheese]

I've hear the Amnesia cut (hypro) is a SuperSilverHaze cut.
Soma's Amnesia Haze is Southeast Asian, Jamaican and Afghani-Hawaiian
..so it has nothing to do with SuperSilverHaze or G13Haze.


Soma's AH is also quite fruity, at least the one Voyagers Coffeeshop in Amsterdam is selling, and i read somewhere it would be Soma's cut ..so no woody-sativa aroma but pear-like fruit salad. But maybe some phenos are woody-tasting, dunno cause i have never grown it myself

 

[Mate Dave]

Amnesia is a Afghan haze. The Hypro was supposedly an afghani x A5.

The core cutting is SSH..

 

[Mustafunk]

Amnesia is a Afghan haze. The Hypro was supposedly an afghani x A5.
The core cutting is SSH..

Where did you get that info from? Just curious in order to verify the sources and info as that's not what it's been said about it. Hy-Pro breeder himself said that his Amesia seed version was created using a Nevil's Haze male as a parent and the dutch coffeshop Amnesia cut (core aka bioibo). After this info was spreading like fire among the european forums he changed his version and said it was Afghan x Nevil's Haze. Maybe they were ashamed that they were using the same cut as everyone else.

Maybe its time to tell that the Amnesia Core Cut is in fact a SSH cut. When Core first got it (from me), he was told it was named Amnesia. Later i found out that its a SSH cut. although lot of coffeeshops sell it as Amnesia. But for example GH sells it as SSH atm. I have seen it in other shops as Superhaze.

ok, here it is. the hy-pro family are friends of mine. they brought me the amnesia/ssh years ago. they found a seed in the ssh from the greenhouse and grew it out. they called it amnesia but when i saw it i knew right away it was a ssh pheno, bubblegum, candy smelling and knock u out strong. over the years is has won many cups as ssh/amnesia, from many shops in the south, twins coffeshop, bio ibo and many others. so, not to take anything away from karma but he won the breeders cup with somone else's genetics. a rose by any other name is still a rose

So, Amnesia= the Core aka Bio-Ibo aka Hy-Pro aka bagseed from Nevil's SSH cut as sold at Greenhouse coffeshop. Same cut that won several cups both as Jack Herer (94) for Sensi, Super Silver Haze (98) for Greenhouse and Amnesia for Bio-Ibo shop.

Anyway besides Bio-Ibo entered a cup with thist cut, they never claimed to be the ones that selected the plant. Hy-Pro claimed it but it's hard to know who is telling the truth. Everyone wants to get the easy props. But props should come to Nevil though, the original breeder of the strain who passed his SSH cut to Ben Dronkers and Arjan anyway, contributing to the raise of two of the most worldwide renowned haze hybrids: SSH and Jack Herer.

Soma's Amnesia Haze is Southeast Asian, Jamaican and Afghani-Hawaiian..so it has nothing to do with SuperSilverHaze or G13Haze.

Man you gotta be kidding if you believe Soma's lineage bullshit... he never did anything close to breeding. Just crossed some dutch elite cuts and bagseeds he found with the Afghani/Hawaiian he got from Shantibaba and another he found among Nevil's G13/Haze. Later he invented some nice lineage stories for the growers, just like most breeders do nowadays.

He was speaking about this and how he created his strains with this two males at his own book Organic Marijuana, Soma Style. Later he contradicted himself many times, the info is out there. But he's just another con artist from the industry, like most seedbank owners.

Let's get over it.

Another great post about Soma, lots of painful truths there:

Soma is a smart guy.

90% of cannabis breeding as practised in the recent dutch scene is crossing a proven, known male to a variety of well-known popular cuts and selling the seeds with exotic names and prices.

Soma is a classic example of this. He arrived in the mid 90s, brought a few skunk clones from the PNW/Canada with him and met Shantibaba. Talked about starting a seedbank so shanti gave him a good male to use to get him started - the Afghan/Hawaiian. Now, this is manna from the gods to a breeder and soma is smart enough to realise all he has to do is to cross this male selected from a large number of plants by one of the very few guys doing proper breeding with original genes to the best female cuts he has and sell the seeds for top dollar.

NYCD is an example of this - soma crossed the afghan/hawaiian male to a bagseed female from some buds from NY, possibly ecsd or original diesel/headband.

Then soma found another male,the g13/haze. Ed Rosenthal gave him a pack of old seeds and only one sprouted, it was a male. NL5/Haze is a key part of SSH, Mango Haze, Jack Herer, Neville's Haze, many others. Soma realised he had a half-brother to the nl/haze and with a bit of luck, it would prove to be as awesome a breeding tool as the nl/haze.

So he crossed it to all his best females and sold the seeds for even higher prices.

Yes, soma is an opportunist, he was handed a big opportunity by shantibaba and took it. Soma is a smart guy, he understands marketing and image, but I wouldn't call him a breeder, he's just a smart businessman who took the work of others and commercialised it for big profits. Always remember, the guys in the amsterdam scene like soma, arjan, derry etc are crafty businessmen, they love money. Those who loved weed like wernard and shanti got out when they saw the writing on the wall ten years ago.

All this about old ssh cuts from work neville did 20 years ago, sheesh! Surely it's time for some new genetics?

Vibes.

 

[Mustafunk]

Another great one, thanks to my good fella Raco for bringing out the bullshit at the spanish forums and contributing a lot to the spanish scene.

Sherlocko is investigating

All this amnesia story really began to annoy myself, so i decide to think (yes it sometimes happens) and begin to investigate a little ... :lol:

First at all, Soma said that the amnesia haze is a cross between a South East Asian crossed to an afghanni and a jamaican (high times, issue from october 2008)



We can see 3 beautiful lies in this paper on 3 strains ,first the kushadelic which is described to a Og kush crossed to a G13, this is probably false cuz anybody ( or almost) have a pure G13 thus the kushadelic is in fact MK Ultra from th seeds (Og Kush x G13) crossed to the G13/haze male ( so you get more G13 genetics instead Og Kush )

We could see this lie repeat itself with the cambodian haze which is a triple cross from an sout east asian , afghanni and g13

We could deduct that soma like to arrange his describtions of his strains to his advantage, in fact that when he wants it's G13 and in others conditions it's haze, we could see with the cambodian , he don't clarify if it's the G13/haze male but nevertheless it's Cambodian haze (cuz laotian x g13x afghanni, there is nothing hazy in that )

The third lie is more in harmony with the thread cuz it concerns the amnesia haze

Surprising that this amnesia haze which come from nowhere in a period where Soma looks like to have losed his freaky inventiveness, bahhh, yes cross every strains to the g13/haze male( from Neville, what a work Soma ^^) reflect a loose of speed...

But even so this amnesia is THE winner and it's pedigree has changed from south east asian crossed to an afghanni and a jamaican , to : laotian crossed to the Afghan/hawaaian male (from shantibaba, what a work soma :lol: )...

So you suppose well that i don't make this post only to break sugar on soma's back (french expression which means talkshitting :lol: ) wiht uberknown facts ops:

Somthing IS worrying me in this whole story, why did soma choose in 2003 to create a strain copying the name of a weed already known everywhere in holland and adding the word haze after (yes that makes sell but that doesn't explain everything) and claiming after that the cross come from a laotian x afghanni/hawaaian , especially when this hypro amnesia is winning cups since 1996
We have also remember that soma changed several times the "recipe" and that could explain various pheno on the web, good and really bad...

 

[GoatCheese]

Never bought Soma's seeds, so i don't have any dogs in the fight, but i'm not sure all that info you posted is accurate.


- I doubt that Soma's G13 HAze male was the only seed that sprouted, cause also MrNice has released a pure G13 Haze-line, so there are females existing, but who knows.
Also, i think i read somewhere that Soma got the G13 Haze seeds from Nevil, but maybe i'm wrong.



- The copied post claims that Soma's Kushadelic is OG Kush x G13, but Soma's site states it's OG Kush x G13 Haze.
So if i have to take Soma's claims with a grain of salt, i seemingly have to treat internet rumors the same way. ..ever heard that one before, heh-he

Personally, i don't find it difficult to believe that Soma crossed SE Asian strain with a Jamaican, and that cross then to the Afg/Haw. male
..that table you posted states Soma grew different SE Asian strains in the 70's.

The Amnesia Haze i smoked tasted nothing like SSH or Mango Haze or Nevil's Haze. I have never tried the Hypro-Amnesia myself.
...Yea, who knows.
Peace

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Soma's sketchyness with lineages does not help the truth to come out, neither does HyPro changing his story over the years... I had heard that it was the results of a big selection from original GHS brown seed packs, now this bagseed story, and about 4 years ago Mr Hy Pro told me clearly to my face that "oh we grown lots of our own things in the South, with no commercial names, just code names, like A5". THis, despite him telling different stories (the it was GHS SSH) to Mr Haze, Moppel and others before, when it was less famous...

Somas Amnesia Haze I have grown (his breeding cut, direct from his hands) and could see no great amount of Indica, certainly no G13H type smells and it is way quicker flowering than any NH. What it is certainly not is the Amnesia clone ( HyPro/Moppel/Core) nor is it easy to confuse, the Amnesia Haze from Soma is a classic woody leathery Sativa type plant whereas the Anmesia Clone is distinctively hybrid, Lemony, more resinous - super sticky, and yields better

 

[GoatCheese]

- I doubt that Soma's G13 HAze male was the only seed that sprouted, cause also MrNice has released a pure G13 Haze-line, so there are females existing, but who knows.
Also, i think i read somewhere that Soma got the G13 Haze seeds from Nevil, but maybe i'm wrong.

Was reading a thread at MrNice forums and stumbled on the quote i was talking about.

Regarding where Soma got his G13Haze Nevil wrote:

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/66291-post146.html

I have a hazy memory of Soma getting those seeds from me and that he crossed it with everything. It was good stuff, I'm sure people did well with seeds from those lines.

EDIT:
..oh just noticed after reading it further after awhile, that BritishHempire remembered Soma telling he got the G13Haze seeds from Ed Rosenthal, so who knows who's hazy memory is right about this. Heh-he
...but perhaps Soma himself knows the best

british_hempire] Going from my hazy memory, I think Soma said he was given a single pack of G13Haze seeds of 1988 vintage by Ed Rosenthal and only managed to get one to germ as they were over a decade old, that one plant was the G13Haze male and it was leaning heavily to the Haze side.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/66352-post148.html



BTW! This is a great thread for anyone interested in the indicas Nevil used when he made Maple Leaf Indica, Black Domina etc. and info about his Northern Lights lines.


Questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/4367-questions-nevil-afghani-kush-lines-other-grail.html

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

As ever in this tangled web you run into Nevile and Scott ("shanti") and their claims, and their fans enthusiastic Chinese Whispers thereof, of having bred everything you ever smoked which then overlap into talking down everybody else's contributions and wonderful convolutions that somehow "prove" that everything there is comes back to a handful of original building blocks which they claim infinite credit for, loudly, almost none of which were their work anyway.

Somas Amnesia Haze to me does not seem to be related to the old Hazes as it is far too quick flowering compared to those crosses and their subsequent developments, I suspect there might be some of the quick flowering Mexican Sativa genes in there. Hopefully Sam's DNA project can shine some truth on all of this soon.