American weed is superior to dutch.

[kro-magnon]

I completely agree which what your saying, everything adapts to survive. Like u said, it adapted. but it's an adapted Thai. Not a "French". That's all I'm saying. But you are 100% correct in my eyes

I understand what you mean, maybe after only a few generations you can't call it a French strain but with enough time it will become one, after how many years in a new place can we call differently a genetic coming from another place?
Like the Colombians for example, recently a member here suggested those plants are from India but have been brought to south america since centuries now and changed enough to be something different in their genetic expression than their Indian ancestors so no one can call them Indian anymore but they indeed became Colombian cannabis, it's just a matter of time after the genetic is establish in a new location for it to take the name of this location, but how long is necessary I couldn't tell exactly.

 

[kro-magnon]

i just realized he said he's french, so is it pronounced "kro manyon"?

Indeed that's how I say it, I chose this pseudonym because I come from the region where there is the Lascaux cave. Google the name if you don't know what I talk about.

 

[nepalnt21]

Lascaux cave

and suddenly it all came together!

nice

 

[Aristoned]

Where do you see magic in what I said? I don't understand your point of view at all and no where I said it creates something out of nothing, it is evolving thanks to a new environment and its already existing DNA. How do you explain the different type of cannabis? Enlight us with your knowledge as I don't get it like you say.

Nothing can evolve.

That is abosolutely impossible.

It has never happened.

You only get what was given, once it is lost it is lost forever.

You do not understand Genetics.

 

[kro-magnon]

Nothing can evolve.

That is abosolutely impossible.

It has never happened.

You only get what was given, once it is lost it is lost forever.

You do not understand Genetics.

It does not explain anything saying that, evolution is a certitude , we have enough proof now to understand all the mechanisms involved.
You should restrain from saying to other they don't understand this or that because so far you're the one making the less sense, sorry.
Do you pretend we were given the different cannabis genetics we have all over the world today, is it what you say, please clear this for me?

 

[nepalnt21]

Nothing can evolve.

That is abosolutely impossible.

It has never happened.

evolution didn't happen?

how do you explain the biodiversity on planet earth?

if it's creationism, i'll just check out now cause there's no winning a scientific argument against someone who 110% knows all scientists are the devil.

 

[kro-magnon]

evolution didn't happen?

how do you explain the biodiversity on planet earth?

if it's creationism, i'll just check out now cause there's no winning a scientific argument against someone who 110% knows all scientists are the devil.

That's why I asked him to be more precise in his response because indeed it's useless to debate with creationists. I like mental gymnastic of debating but it's pointless when the other debater has some unreasonable views.

 

[Aristoned]

It does not explain anything saying that, evolution is a certitude , we have enough proof now to understand all the mechanisms involved.
You should restrain from saying to other they don't understand this or that because so far you're the one making the less sense, sorry.
Do you pretend we were given the different cannabis genetics we have all over the world today, is it what you say, please clear this for me?

You use words that you have no idea what they mean.

You do not have a doctorate degree in Horticulture nor do you understand the basic premise of existence itself.

You are proposing that you can be God and you can make things from nothing.

Genetics are as simple as this:

You get what was given.

I’ve you lose it, it is gone forever.

Period.

Evolution is bullshit with no logical foundation. Besides, even genetic research has proven evolution is impossible.

Cheers!

 

[Aristoned]

evolution didn't happen?

how do you explain the biodiversity on planet earth?

if it's creationism, i'll just check out now cause there's no winning a scientific argument against someone who 110% knows all scientists are the devil.

Creation.

Then, Natural Selection.

Then, cultivation and Selective Breeding.

Once you lose Skunk #1 you cannot get it back, unless you have the original genetics that created it.

I’m simply amazed at how Disney has ruined the minds of millions.

 

[kro-magnon]

You use words that you have no idea what they mean.

You do not have a doctorate degree in Horticulture nor do you understand the basic premise of existence itself.

You are proposing that you can be God and you can make things from nothing.

Genetics are as simple as this:

You get what was given.

I’ve you lose it, it is gone forever.

Period.

Evolution is bullshit with no logical foundation. Besides, even genetic research has proven evolution is impossible.

Cheers!

It's obvious you don't have any doctorate the way you speak. I never pretended to be god or creating something out of nothing, you keep repeating this but it's not what I say at all. Evolution is a proven fact.

 

[nepalnt21]

Then, Natural Selection.

ok, i bite lol, i actually love discussion common descent for real

we have evidence, fossils that lie in the strata just so... and show a progression, what's the explanation for the progression?

selection, adaptation, etc. are processes of evolution. as kro-magnon points out, we know evolution is a fact; we've observed it, both in labs (ie the e. coli long term evolution experiment) and in pest resistance and antibiotics resistance, which i'm sure a creationist would just say is "adaptation", but what is adaptation over long periods of time, with more and more differentiation between populations, more and more unique alleles (i hope i'm using that right, i still don't know what the fuck an allele is exactly except a specific gene for a specific trait i guess) in each population, less and less ability to interbreed with other populations... that's evolution.

as i alluded to earlier (albeit with a much more aggressive process, atomic gardening), genes can mutate.

mutations compound, viruses insert their dna, copying errors happen, proteins are doubled and shit like that... until?

the current biodiversity of life.

 

[joepotsmoker]

You cannot make genetic code via propagation. It just does not work that way.

Genetic code is a protein, that protein has a code written inside. When the code is gone it is gone forever, unless you have the base genetics to propagate and select the offspring for the desired traits.

Fuck man.

Every breeder knows this. That’s why Skunk #1 has been saved for decades, if we lose it we may not be able to make it again since it wouldn’t exist in Nature.

I’m really trying to help you here.

I agree with this too, tho so like is this the base of the argument here?? If it comes down to genetic "code" yes I completely agree as well as I been searching for some "original " (as it gets) genetics.
If your looking for let's say arbitrarily it's an original blueberry cut, and tou want it to be the old blueberry from wah back when your on a code hunt, original genetic code, as complete of a copy as you can get, bc you want it exactly the same as say 20 years ago when you tried it(it's why some strains have years, bc thays as good as it gets...)
Anhyhoo This is a different side of the same coin, well kinda, it's kinda a whole nother game, but still. It seems you should collaborate rather than contest each other, but that don't matter either it's a convo, have fun.
On kros point bc I agree with this as well, yes I agree that growing a plant in certain conditions (ex climate latitude longitude light source/ strength and every other factor in life oxygen and co2 concentration we can really get into this one) all effect growth and evolution, yes the genetic code of the original stays the same but basically what I call what your talking about is pheno hunting, when you combine plants there's only 20 markers that will show through when you combine 2 separate plants (both plants have 20 so that's 40 but only 20 will show through in the seed) now you take that and grow it and you have a different mash up of those 40 genes, every and any combination is possible while however probable they may be. Thays for diploid seeds and genetic traits, wich contain 20, there are others that have more but that doesn't matter here, we're not talking about that.
Back to keys point I'm getting off track... sorry...
So while pheno hunting now we're looking for the certain traits that will come out in any and every strain given time, they are already there, all it is is different combinations of the same 40 geenes(from the mother and father) so unless you already have a plant "stabilized" wich I don't think happens 100%but I could be wrong you can find alot of things in all different strains, like for instance I'm running a Cinderella 99, it's known for throwing a fruit punch pheno, in like 20 or so seeds, that's alot of hunting for one plant but I want it and I Wana try to stabilize it and get more of a success rate from the fruitpunch, this is also the same with mold resistance light intensity etc, the stronger genes are always more prominent whatever they may be,
So yes you can have a say some sorta haze flower like an indica in the cold mountains if you can find the right one, keeping it in certain. Conditions I belive bring forth dormant traits bc the plant needs it like mold resistance, but on the same note, if there is no mold resistant gene in the mother or father plant of the seeds(20 plus 20 mashed up every way possible, it's a d100 dice roll dude...) there will never be mold resistance unless you take a third plant(mother or father)and introduce it to the stew,
If there's no carrot in the stew you can't make one appear, no matter how much you think you taste it it'll never be there...

 

[joepotsmoker]

Evolution is genetic pairing in whatever way,
The strong survive.
The ones that got the retard genetic code won't survive, as in that scraggly plant that's garbage(it has genetic code not suited to its environment..) it'll side on the ground and have a bad stem, or be an amazing plant but still will mold and die, or taste like shit.
Unless u using crisper tech your hunting period. If you are using said tech props.
Your both correct, speaking different sides of the same coin... im my opinion

 

[joepotsmoker]

It's like the flying squirrel, yea, it evolved but thats more indepth, mamals are genetic soup

 

[Aristoned]

It's obvious you don't have any doctorate the way you speak. I never pretended to be god or creating something out of nothing, you keep repeating this but it's not what I say at all. Evolution is a proven fact.

I’m not speaking.

I’m typing.

 

[Aristoned]

ok, i bite lol, i actually love discussion common descent for real

we have evidence, fossils that lie in the strata just so... and show a progression, what's the explanation for the progression?

selection, adaptation, etc. are processes of evolution. as kro-magnon points out, we know evolution is a fact; we've observed it, both in labs (ie the e. coli long term evolution experiment) and in pest resistance and antibiotics resistance, which i'm sure a creationist would just say is "adaptation", but what is adaptation over long periods of time, with more and more differentiation between populations, more and more unique alleles (i hope i'm using that right, i still don't know what the fuck an allele is exactly except a specific gene for a specific trait i guess) in each population, less and less ability to interbreed with other populations... that's evolution.

as i alluded to earlier (albeit with a much more aggressive process, atomic gardening), genes can mutate.

mutations compound, viruses insert their dna, copying errors happen, proteins are doubled and shit like that... until?

the current biodiversity of life.

Not evolution, natural selection.

The bones you find are from those that didn’t make it.

There are plenty of species of fauna and flora that have gone extinct.

That means, gone for ever.

Cheers!

 

[nepalnt21]

Not evolution, natural selection.

The bones you find are from those that didn’t make it.

There are plenty of species of fauna and flora that have gone extinct.

That means, gone for ever.

Cheers!

why is there such good evidence that it was evolution? the bones don't just tell that an organism lived, they tell a story; they tell us that at one point, a whale was a land mammal walking around on legs, for instance.

 

[Aristoned]

Evolution is genetic pairing in whatever way,
The strong survive.
The ones that got the retard genetic code won't survive, as in that scraggly plant that's garbage(it has genetic code not suited to its environment..) it'll side on the ground and have a bad stem, or be an amazing plant but still will mold and die, or taste like shit.
Unless u using crisper tech your hunting period. If you are using said tech props.
Your both correct, speaking different sides of the same coin... im my opinion

Evolution has yet to occur.

We have never seen anything evolve into something different.

This isn’t Pokémon. This is the Real World.

 

[joepotsmoker]

Evolution has yet to occur.

We have never seen anything evolve into something different.

This isn’t Pokémon. This is the Real World.

Are you completely sure of that?
Now this is more of a question as I'm just running it now,
I got 3 frostys purple freak, how do we explain the fern genetics, (yes it was selected and bred and bred and bred) how do they actually isolate this stuff, I Wana do it but I don't got a big ol lab lol
Is it really luck of the draw?

 

[joepotsmoker]

why is there such good evidence that it was evolution? the bones don't just tell that an organism lived, they tell a story; they tell us that at one point, a whale was a land mammal walking around on legs, for instance.

Yup, then it couldn't survive in it's environment bc of not their changes but the world around them changing, they couldn't change fast enough(ex breed out certain traits) some things evolve faster or breed, and outdated the others. Thats why they die and the genes from the "walking jurassic fish" is gone forever, u see how much they be trying to bring wooly mammoths back?? Like so they only have a few genes, not enough for 2 (male and female) to get a species going, if there's only a male or female left, (genetics wise) the whatever it is will die off as well. So idk yea that lol