America

[Easy7]

I Think the issue the kids have is that guns are too common in America. Like a gun is a symbol of America. Which it's not. That anyone can get a gun that doesn't have a felony or been pink slipped.

I personally don't think cars should be as common as they are either. Not with how absent minded and dangerous people are playing with powerful inventions.

It's all too common people have a relaxed attitude, a careless attitude with dangerous equipment. It's a mentality.

 

[EasyGoing]

Right wing kryptonite = kneeling football players and school shooting victims that want universal background checks, ect lol

Left wing kryptonite - common sense.

What's so funny, is the "school shooting victims that want universal background checks" have also stated they wont settle for small gains, they want to take the guns...... But ignore that right.......... Cause they are kids.........

 

[Easy7]

But what you are resorting to is a negative opinion. Same could be said for the right wingers. I have observed online that right winger followers resort to media lies and hazardous insults everytime the media has not given them a mentally programmed assualt tactic.

The problem is right wingers are entertained by negative lies. Not little white lies although they likely started that way. A lot didn't as conservative media has some pretty outrageous tactics and statements for ratings.

If there wasn't truth to it it wouldn't be so threatening. What is threatening are the fabrications of right wing media. Nobody would dislike the bible banging gun toting right winger philosophy if they didn't commit so many hateful historic crimes against humanity. Which isn't even what christainty is about anymore than in right winger minds.

 

[packerfan79]

You do realize communists and marxist are opposed to gun control right? Of course you dont!

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Karl Marx may have been against gun control. However, the perpetrators of his ideology were glad to use it to subjugate the people. The same people they claim are the proletariat. Totalitarianism at its finest.

I think Marx had no intention that his ideology would cause the death of 100 million people. In theory the ideology has some virtue. The problem is the people at the top will always lust for more power, at the expense of the masses. Even if you get an amazing leader now, eventually a tyrant will take hold. It takes a tyrant mentality to seize power.

 

[Cannavore]

Left wing kryptonite - common sense.

What's so funny, is the "school shooting victims that want universal background checks" have also stated they wont settle for small gains, they want to take the guns...... But ignore that right.......... Cause they are kids.........

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i've literally payed no attention to these gun marches or anything these kids or people have to say but can you show me where they say "take all the guns?"

cause as far as i know they want tighter gun control including measures that are already overwhelmingly supported by Americans (such as universal background checks).

 

[Easy7]

The vast majority of people are for background checks. Just like there is some red tape for any license.

Ya don't think they should be passing out guns like candy at parades do you? Seems conservatives, the really nutty ones, are very liberally greasing the weapons trade.

I think being a gun fanatic is tacky. An attention seeking behaviour. Like any hero that wants attention.

 

[Cannavore]

i've never even held a gun before.

 

[Bud Green]

i've never even held a gun before.

No judgement from me at all, one way or the other, but that explains a lot...

 

[Easy7]

I've held an ak47 type 56. Shot a shot gun in the scouts. Shot a 30-06.

Power can be fun, fun can be dangerous. It only takes a moment of the wrong mentality. I'd say a lot of gun owners don't even know gun laws. Just as lot's of drivers don't know driving laws, as a lot of boat owners don't know boating laws.

 

[Easy7]

Also shot a .223

 

[Cannavore]

No judgement from me at all, one way or the other, but that explains a lot...

only thing it should explain is that its statistically likely i'll never need to hold one. and the place i live can afford to hire enough police with guns.. i remember someone in here saying their town only has 1 cop or something like that lol. i've been invited to go shooting at ranges and whatnot. just not interested. i'd rather try playing some airsoft lol looks fun.

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[Phaeton]

Years back I was sighting in the laser on a new suppressed pistol when one of my teenage nieces showed up. Her mom (my sister) is a police officer in our state capitol.

She had never held a gun!
After going over the basics she shot a magazine of .22's out of an older pump rifle.
It did not make her crazy or anything, she is now a police officer herself.

Context is everything, growing up eating hunted food in a wilderness cabin builds no illusions about rifles and pistols. Or about city folk in general.

 

[moose eater]

In truth, background checks already exist for any purchase for a used or new weapon from a licensed dealer. There -is- what's referred to as the 'gun show loop hole,' which also exists in private sales from a non-dealer to a non-dealer.

That said, there's a number of cases in recent history (Texas Church shooting as well as others) wherein a purchase of a firearm -should- have been denied following either a NICS check, -or- a criminal background check, but where the government authorities at what ever branch or level failed to follow through.

This doesn't fall into a category of insufficient laws, necessarily, but rather into the category of government/bureaucratic incompetence.

And whether we're talking about FBI Agent Coleen Rowley wanting into Mousaoui's lap top, and her supervisor Agent Bowman refusing to let her have access (which might've averted the entire 9/11 thing, if you buy into the official story line), or whether you're talking about the GW Bush Administration being briefed months before 9/11 about intel saying there were actors planning to use civilian aircraft as missiles, and more or less completely ignoring it, or the Feds/NSA/FBI ignoring the calls from Phoenix re. the flight training dudes who only wanted to know how to fly large aircraft, but weren't interested in learning to take off or land, or the Texas church shooter who should've been denied the ability to purchase a firearm under -existing laws-, or the 'misidentification' of the Doctors without Borders hospitals in Afghanistan and elsewhere that were hit by air strikes, or a hundred other cases, one thing is relatively constant; when the govvy fucks up BIG, there's rarely any consequence for their responsible parties, nor any overt/public acceptance of culpability.. But, when pressed, frequently plenty of air-headed, passing-the-buck, excuse-making..

What -does- follow these instances of provable incompetence that has often resulted in deaths of one scale or another, are promotions for the irresponsible government parties (i.e., Agent Bowman received an honorary commendation from GW & a $25,000 bonus, the FBI sniper who violated SOPs and killed Randy Weaver's wife, also received a promotion; just two examples of many), and a call for MORE laws. Never mind that frequently/often, the laws that had been on the books were sufficient, had the public demanded competence from our 'leadership,' rather than allowing them to be in the same category as the fraudulent banks; "Too big to jail."

And with that, I have a long journey to take, on the road with inattentive drivers, in charge of what are often 2-ton-plus missiles on ice..

The vast majority of people are for background checks. Just like there is some red tape for any license.

Ya don't think they should be passing out guns like candy at parades do you? Seems conservatives, the really nutty ones, are very liberally greasing the weapons trade.

I think being a gun fanatic is tacky. An attention seeking behaviour. Like any hero that wants attention.

 

[Easy7]

It's hard to raise the bar of capacity in America. Media tries too hard, plays on emotions, assumes a lot of things, portrays another. I really don't think the average person is good enough. Average is pretty stupid. I accept there are dangerous people. I accept peopke are foolish. Guns are dangerous and they're just objects. Don't play with fire, you'll probably not get burned. There are exceptions to rules, rules a firm and law of the land.

 

[moose eater]

I had a professor in under-grad, who was also my advisor until his untimely death from an aneurism (like I needed another important person in my life to croak unexpectedly!! :^I ) who used to often say, "Common sense is no sense, as no sense is common."

He was a good man, a lefty, a constant outspoken activist for unionized status for the campus faculty, a well-educated historian, a mentor, and a confidante to me, well beyond mere classroom or study issues. Within all of that, and despite the criticism he often received, he was a fairly wise man.

 

[Bud Green]

i've been invited to go shooting at ranges and whatnot. just not interested. i'd rather try playing some airsoft lol looks fun.

I usually avoid getting into politically charged talk, but here goes:

This is what I don't understand..
I have no idea of your age Canna, but it seems ironic that you espouse your views wanting more restrictions on gun ownership,
yet you think it would be fun to go play Airsoft..(I had to look up what it is)

This game, like paintball and others, involves the players going around
with toy guns which do fire non-lethal projectiles of one sort or another.
It appears that the purpose of the game is to have fun shooting other people. (the ones who aren't on your side)

When I was young and first encountered guns, (.22 Marlins)
we were taught specifically that these tools had the potential for serious injury if not used properly.
We were taught to never point a gun at any person, or anywhere near their direction because serious injury or death could be the result.
We were taught how to have great respect for guns and to handle them very carefully..

Don't you think that games like those mentioned, teach young people that guns are simply for fun? Or what?

I realize 99.99% of people who play these games will never use a real gun for a bad purpose,
but the games seem to trivialize what guns, in the hands of responsible owners, are really for....

 

[Easy7]

I'd like to chime in on that.

It's entirely a confusing cultural complexity. On one hand it teaches a game of combat skill with toys. If not introduced correctly to real firearms it dould lead to a roll over of thinking a real gun can be handled with the same attitude it's a game and a toy. That is some of what the military does. They try to make it as real as possible, without killing eachother training. Yet deaths do occur rarely.

Same could be said for cap guns or whichever toy. They don't teach the reality of what they mimic. And kids want to play out real situations. So movies confuse that as well.

I think the problem iss more common with youth on ssri's. Those psych meds really mess with development. They numb some to psychoapthy remorse.

 

[coldcanna]

only thing it should explain is that its statistically likely i'll never need to hold one. and the place i live can afford to hire enough police with guns.. i remember someone in here saying their town only has 1 cop or something like that lol. i've been invited to go shooting at ranges and whatnot. just not interested. i'd rather try playing some airsoft lol looks fun.

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That is the rub here. My town and the several towns around me do not have police. There is a sheriff and state trooper that MAY be within a 30 minute drive at any given time. This is the case for more American towns than not... towns with ample police are the EXCEPTION.

So you might say something to the tune of "why do you need an AR15". If you had any experience with weapons, you would understand that knocking down 2-3 intruders, with your adrenaline jacked at 3am in the dark is not an easy proposition with a 9 round pistol, or a 5 round shotgun. Without frequent practice, it is actually very difficult to shoot a weapon accurately when you are standing up and breathing heavy. And then to reload it is even worse if visibility is bad.

So let me ask you this... if YOUR family was on the line, no cops for 30-45 minutes, just you vs multiple people, would you feel comfortable with 9 bullets?

 

[iTarzan]

One taste of rabbit stew or squirrel pot pie and some might understand why people want guns.

 

[Easy7]

If three people want you dead, you're gonna die. Unless they are not serious and entirely stupid.

I'd say cameras do a lot of prevention. Serious law enforcement, not simply intervention, but investigation and prosecution is very potent.

Thankfully most criminals are not thinking smart or simply not interested. It's huge legal
Trouble to break and enter. Far worse to have a gun breaking and entering. Their gonna be so paranoid that my dog would scare them shitless. I doubt my house attracts serious b&r interest. They go after easy sure scores. Unlocked cars with visible purses, unlocked too chests, stuff like that. You gotta have info to know someone has cash, jewels, drugs.

People break into houses when the have info. Barns have tools, tractors are big tickets, so it's best to hide trail cams all over the place. Live a quiet life, not showing off the million dollar ganja patch.

Accidental shootings are far more common than self defense shootings. There is a much higher probablity of killijg a family memeber thinking they were a robber, than actually shooting a robber. Around here there have been a number of kids playing with guns, resulting in deaths. Never hear about the citizen joe whom defended his house with lethal force.

It's usually not strangers that kill other strangers. It's usually someone they knew. Same with robbery. People gotta have the info. Usually some junkie family member that knows how to score.

It's that true crime thrills people. Blows way out of proportion the real statistical facts of how crime goes about. Only times someone wanted to break into my place, they knew or guessed I was growing. Don't share with people, don't whisper about braggings.