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[ahortator]

Hi everybody

Only ornamental, Midwest ditch weed is descendant from the extinct Kentucky hemp so they have a very interesting genepool.

http://www.newheadnews.com/hemp/fiberwars/fw.chp10.html

http://www.hempreport.com/2004/07/wild-marijuana.html

I have read that old Mexican landraces were descendant from the hemp the Spaniards take there. So perhaps ancient hemp strains had some THC production and with proper sellection they can evolve into good strains.


Wow! Bud Green Sr. What beautiful pics! You could kid you spend your hollidays in Jamaica
Actually hemp is authentically the real C. sativa

Yesterday I was looking for some info and I found some videos in youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KrCUcmQh8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZILYu30ZrE

Beautiful sativa plants! I wonder if with some backcrossings between ditchweed and a trippy strain could arise something interesting.

When I began to grow 20 years ago as I cannot get seeds (we have here only Marrocan hash) I grew hemp bird seed I have never seen an hermie in that hemp neither a sick plant. They were the most tough and healthy plants I have ever grown. The only problem is they were not very pretty because they have no branches, and of course they didn't get you high.

J-Icky your story remember me what happened in my neighborhood with a peach tree about a decade ago. Someone threw a peach pip and in a few years it developed into a tree that each year filled with huge yellow peaches. People argued and even fight for the fruit. Until someone chopped the poor tree.

It is a pity what happened there. Old hippies sometimes keep old school genetics from yesteryear rarely seen nowadays.

Greetings.

 

[Only Ornamental]

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Only ornamental, Midwest ditch weed is descendant from the extinct Kentucky hemp so they have a very interesting genepool...

Thanks, though I know this and have already read these very interesting articles. Me wants some ditch weed seeds !
Just look at my signature and click the link in the second line which should be roughly below the end of this dotted line....................

 

[ahortator]

Hi

I want some of them too I think it must be very interesting breeding with such tough and indestructible plants.

The only thing I have seen immune to powdery mildew, grey mold, aphids and spider mites was the hemp I grew when I wasn't able to get proper psychoactive seeds. The strain I had even lack hermies. But today I only find monoic (hermies) cultivars. And cultivated hemp has no branches unlike ditch weed.

http://www.tokesignals.com/wild-hemp-grows-everywhere-in-nebraska-photos/

I have written there already

Best regards.

 

[newGroath]

if anyone has collected ditchweed seeds lately , any tips ? such as ideals times and what not.. itd be about a 800 mile trip one way

 

[G.O. Joe]

I want some of them too

Seed retailers everywhere probably wouldn't be interested in ordinary ditchweed seeds, especially from the likes of me, because they wouldn't want to be associated with selling random ditchweed, from just some guy on the internet, and most everyone else. Requirements include awesome photos and names with cachet - ditchweed is not it.

Weedy skinny-leaf plants in some of the off-site photos look like the plants are not real happy. Most photos represent most ditchweed, but most ditchweed is pushed to marginal areas. Plants in ideal locations or the ideal part of a location tend to have more and wider leaves and look more like something you'd want to breed with - heavy and thick looking just like a Christmas tree. Every once in a while there's a short totally indica plant - always THC-free.

if anyone has collected ditchweed seeds lately , any tips ? such as ideals times and what not.. itd be about a 800 mile trip one way

Some night in the middle of the Sept/Oct area, here. Raw untreated seeds are a pest risk - clean any you find well if they're going indoors.

 

[ahortator]

Requirements include awesome photos and names with cachet - ditchweed is not it.

People are too picky. Due to harsh laws, collecting seed there is a very risky task. And they still want photos and detailed info!

What makes ditch weed interesting is the fact it grows alone in the wild without cares, fertilizers. Not only it must withstand the harsh enviroment, weather inclemency, animals, pests, mold,... but the war on drugs too. And even in that conditions ditch weed thrives and spreads.

Seeds from any healthy, tall plant with many long branches, long thin buds and skinny, long fingered leaves (the typical tropical sativa appearance, like the one in the Peter Tosh "Legalize it" cover , but much earlier flowering and hardier) would be OK.

Something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZILYu30ZrE

No problem if with care they develope some wider leaves and thicker buds

I would like to see what would be their high if I breed ditch weed to introduce the BT allele into its genepool. Instead the BD, or the rarer B0, they usually carry. And make some backcrosses too. I would like to see if I am able to introduce its hardiness and early flowering to another strain.

Best regards

 

[ahortator]

TURKEY.

A variety of hemp, intermediate between the fiber-producing and the typical drug-producing types, is cultivated in Asiatic Turkey, especially in the region of Damascus, and to a limited extent in European Turkey. This variety, called Smyrna, is about the poorest variety from which fiber is obtained. It is cultivated chiefly for the narcotic drug, but fiber is also obtained from the stalks. It grows 3 to 6 feet high, with short internodes, numerous ascending branches, densely crowded foliage of small leaves, and abundant seeds maturing early. It seems well suited for the production of birdseed, but its poor type, combined with prolific seed production, makes it a dangerous plant to grow in connection with fiber crops.

HEMP-SEED PRODUCTION.

All of the hemp seed used in the United States for the production of hemp for fiber is produced in Kentucky. Nearly all of it is obtained from plants cultivated especially for seed production and not for fiber. The plants cultivated for seed for the fiber crop are of the fiber-producing type and not the type commonly obtained in bird-seed hemp. Old stocks of hemp seed of low vitality are often sold for bird seed, but much of the hemp seed sold by seedsmen or dealers in bird supplies is of the densely branching Smyrna type.

http://www.naihc.org/hemp_information/content/1913.html

http://hempology.org/ALL HISTORY ARTICLES.HTML/1901PLATELXXIX.html

 

[G.O. Joe]

It's figure 3 that grows here, but the genetics are probably mixed to the point of no telling, and the usual height is 8-9 feet. The THC gene isn't totally absent from the local flora, but it is unquestionably rare.

Most of the ditchweed patches I knew as a kid have been paved over. Others I've seen since then seem to be under a lot of pest attack, and railroad eradication efforts. Roundup - and the corn and beans genetically modified for it - has probably been the single greatest factor in the serious decline of the local population. It rained all last year, but this year I'll try to get some pictures. Should have HPLC capability by then as well.

Crossing with a drug strain gives plants scattered between the two extremes at first, a little closer to the ditchweed maybe. Autoflowering is a sure thing, but the hardiness qualities may not necessarily be favorable drug strain qualities unless the plants are for growing wild outdoors.

 

[ahortator]

Hi

Ditch weed there must be a mix of the earliest, hardier, more pest and disease resistant and biggest seed amount producer plants. Most fibre hemp is CBD instead THC. As the Smyrna type is early and one of the biggest seed producer, it must be well represented in the genepool. Of course, if it was grown there. But mixed with all the other types it must be very difficult to pick plants with some THC if there are a few among a vast mojority of CBD plants.

After all THC was discovered in 1964. So until that date the only way to tell the psychoactive properties in hemp was smoking the buds. And honestly I don't imagine Lyster Dewey and his colleagues rolling spliffs to test his hemp strains for low THC and high CBD content

Perhaps looking for plants with that phenotype (the most heavily branched with longer branches) makes the search a bit easier, but most only will give a headache.
http://bniblet.com/ditchweed/DSCF0691.JPG

I think even the pure Smyrna strain must not be something exceptional about the quality of the buzz.

Autoflowering allele in the Lowrider is a recessive trait, so it is not very difficult to manage with it making many backcrosses (even being easy to work with it most auto I have smoked are hay ) Early flowering, hardiness, and pest and disease resistence surely must be a polygenic trait. So it is a difficult task to work with them.

In the first few crosses the resulting plants must be almost impossible to smoke

http://www.newheadnews.com/hemp/hybrids.html

At least the F1 and most F2 must be hay. Speaking about psychoactivity.

But perhaps picking the plants with the "best high" among the F2 and backcrossing them again (and again, and again,...) with the drug strain, it would be possible to introduce in the drug strain some interesting characteristics found in the feral hemp that makes it to grow so well in the wild without care.

The same thing you tell about the decline of the ditch weed patches there, have happened here with wild opium poppies Papaver somniferum subsp. setigerum. When I was a child it was a very common plant and now it's lost. Even Agave that was very common at the sides of the railroad until recently, now is rare because they have been sprayed the bloody glyphosate there.

Greetings.

 

[G.O. Joe]

Perhaps looking for plants with that phenotype (the most heavily branched with longer branches) makes the search a bit easier, but most only will give a headache.

The best looking plants, and specimens 18 feet tall having trunks 6 inches wide and a quarter pound on each of 50 branches, and the ones that are slimy with resin, the indicas, those that smell especially nice or super piney - they never ever get you high. The only way to go by looks is to exclude those plants from having THC, because they never do. This is based on a sample of at least a hundred tests at 20 sites in 3 counties during the 80's, which is only counting the wild plants tested and not the hundred hybrids that were also tested. These tests also suggest that no more than 10% of the individuals in any sizable population in the area has the THC gene.

Those few decent plants at certain sites probably just won the genetic lottery for 2 parents with the THC gene, because some sites have that gene floating around and others don't. It's easy to know this by rubbing the whole patch for hash. Even one good plant mixed up with 20 bad plants shows up this way. I think the history of seed to the local area as a whole is complicated and mostly lost, without genetic testing. In any areas where the ditchweed originates from the war years when the seed was supplied by the government, I'd expect no THC since I'd also expect that seed was selected for having no THC, above all.

At least the F1 and most F2 must be hay.

That is the popular view on the internet. Several plants from my ditchweed x [NL5xHaze x Sour Bubble] project were smoked in the last few months, all heavily seeded and just leaf. You have to look at total cannabinoid there, since they were all producing both CBD and THC. Even so, all of those plants got me high, and the better ones were not so terrible. I want to STS clones of the best, but the autoflowering doesn't help that. I'm cracking some random F1 males for them, and have high hopes.

http://www.newheadnews.com/hemp/hybrids.html

The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L..

 

[ahortator]

Thank you very much for sharing all that interesting info.

The best looking plants, and specimens 18 feet tall having trunks 6 inches wide and a quarter pound on each of 50 branches

Wow! I didn't know you have such monsters growing there. I thought the biggest plants there were 10 or 12 feet tall. I thought the more densely branched plants were 8 or 9 feet at best.

The best way to tell what plants are high THC (vs CBD) is by genetic testing or chemical test, but as it is not available for most people (at least for me) the only way to find a THC pheno would be smoking samples from each individual. Which would be tiresome if the patch has only CBD plants

TRSC sells some strains from Northern India were mixed CBD and THC plants comes together. It is said they make decent charas. But THC individuals must be much more frequent in Parvati or Kumaon than in the US Midwest

I didn't know ditchweed were autoflowering. I thought they were only very fast photoperiod dependant.

Thanks for the link. Very interesting!

I based my thoughts in this another one.

http://www.finola.fi/Cannabis_CBD_THC_ratio.pdf

I want to STS clones of the best, but the autoflowering doesn't help that. I'm cracking some random F1 males for them, and have high hopes.

You can change the sex of some branches of some males with ethylene and smoke them. That way if you find a good one, with two alleles for THC (Bt/Bt, I think the ones with less couchlock buzz and more "sativa" NLD high) you will have S1 seeds. And being from a male (XY) you still have that line in dioecious form (the first generation you will have many more males than females, but in subsequently the ratio would be the common). Not only a feminised line as with STS were only XX genotype are possible.

Best regards