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newGroath

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feel free to redirect me (first post)

pretty much i'm curious as to the laws regarding collecting hemp seeds in the United States,

for example, if someone where to go around an collect the seeds from the "land race" hemp plants around the midwest would that be ok?
 
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Baron Greenback

I think non-viable seeds are fine, but viable ones aren't. I seem to recall a thread here asking for landrace seeds to track the cannabis genome, but as they were going to the US, only non viable seeds were requested.
Many of the European seedbanks will offer extra stealthy packaging for a price, some of it is so cunning, I have thought they have packed nothing!!
Do a bit of research, some won't send at all, some will. Given the volume of post going through the US daily, I'd have thought you would be very unlucky to lose a shipment.
 

newGroath

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ah thats good to know about the shipping , would hate to lose around 90 bucks ..which is the reason i haven't gone that route. but ill have to do some research definitely on the hemp seeds, a trip to the state library may be in order..because id love to have some wild american beans for novelty, history and such
 

russjcan

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Cannabis was introduced to western Nebraska in 1840's.Eastern Nebraska in the 1860's. Check out youtube video of ferel hemp. Lots of different strains with high CBD and low THC is what the industry is looking for.
 

Only Ornamental

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I've been told (by user G.O. Joe) that in most states it's highly illegal to collect seeds of wild hemp no matter what. And I guess he knows what he's talking about.
For more infos on hemp, follow my signature ;) .
 

MJPassion

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Come...
Collect...
BE AWARE...
Stay off of private land unless you have permission to be there...
If you spot feral hemp on a secluded back road grab some & put it in a safe secure place that is out of view.

Nit sure what you want with it but you might keep in mind that cannabis is not indigenous to the Americas.
 

newGroath

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thank you Ornamental, definitely getting a bookmark for all the knowledge on hemp.

MJPassion ,i kinda want to keep some seeds for future breeding and to have a part of the history. figured i get some from america cause its already well suited to theenviorment
 

G.O. Joe

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The law specifies: A postsecondary institution in this state or the Department of Agriculture may grow or cultivate industrial hemp if the industrial hemp is grown or cultivated for purposes of research conducted under an agricultural pilot program or other agricultural or academic research.

In other words, the state has graciously allowed itself, only, to be part of the hemp industry. If you are caught harvesting, you will be sent to jail for harvesting. Not OK. Nebraska is however one of the better red states to admit to possessing less than an ounce of seeds in.
 

armedoldhippy

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ah thats good to know about the shipping , would hate to lose around 90 bucks ..which is the reason i haven't gone that route. but ill have to do some research definitely on the hemp seeds, a trip to the state library may be in order..because id love to have some wild american beans for novelty, history and such

shit grows ALL OVER Illinois. drive around Rantoul, for example, during the summer/early fall. the railroad tracks next to Chanute AFB have it growing on both sides, & it even comes up between the rails until it gets so tall that the trains clip it back. they don't try to kill it back because A-it aint for fuck to smoke and B-so many birds eat the seeds - IE-pheasants, quail, etc. we would be walking through town & you would see it growing in folks gardens, flower beds, pots on their porches, anyplace a bird could shit a seed. :tiphat:
 

aridbud

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shit grows ALL OVER Illinois. drive around Rantoul, for example, during the summer/early fall. the railroad tracks next to Chanute AFB have it growing on both sides, & it even comes up between the rails until it gets so tall that the trains clip it back. they don't try to kill it back because A-it aint for fuck to smoke and B-so many birds eat the seeds - IE-pheasants, quail, etc. we would be walking through town & you would see it growing in folks gardens, flower beds, pots on their porches, anyplace a bird could shit a seed. :tiphat:

Seen it grow wild in Indiana, Ohio....out West...Colorado, Northern NM, back woods of Oregon before they had their operations going. It's everywhere! And right you are...wind, birds carrying it.
 

WelderDan

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Back around 1980, my buddy drove up to Indiana one fall and literally picked a truckload of feral hemp and drove back to Alabama with it. For whatever reason it was really dry around our area and there wasn't shit to be had for weed. My buddy had pounds of this shit and it was seedy as fuck. He sold that shit hand over fist for $15-$20 an oz and people bought it just for something to smoke. You'd get a buzz if you smoked a lot, but I think it was from lack of oxygen. I had thousands of seeds but chucked them because, well, it was shit.

On another note, my brother has a farmer buddy that was part of a Hemp Pilot project in Alabama. He had a bunch of commercial hemp seed (modern commercial hybrid) he gave my brother to plant during deer season. The shit didn't have any leaf serrations, at least the seedlings I saw didn't have any.
 

MJPassion

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i got a shit load of "hemp" seeds, and so do some of you right? when has legality stopped us from collecting?

Funny ya say that...
Whos the breeder? lmao!

Anyway,
I've heard that the Forest service used to toss seed out where fires had broken out previous to prohibition. It should, literally be everywhere. Only "wild" I've seen personally was in Iowa. Spindly narrow leaf shit. Somebody told me it wouldn't even give ya a buzz.
 

Jellyfish

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Back around 1980, my buddy drove up to Indiana one fall and literally picked a truckload of feral hemp and drove back to Alabama with it. For whatever reason it was really dry around our area and there wasn't shit to be had for weed. My buddy had pounds of this shit and it was seedy as fuck. He sold that shit hand over fist for $15-$20 an oz and people bought it just for something to smoke. You'd get a buzz if you smoked a lot, but I think it was from lack of oxygen.

I harvested about five pounds of that shit myself in the seventies- you described it perfectly. I could've sold it, but instead ( 'cos I"m a nice guy), I gave it away. When somebody would ask me for a joint, I'd give 'em an ounce just to see the look on their face. But yeah, they probably had to smoke a quarter just to get a really iffy/maybe placebo buzz. Good times.
 

ahortator

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Hi

I have seen some Midwestern ditch weed pics and some have a beautiful tropical "sativa" appearance :D

http://bniblet.com/ditchweed/

What really strikes me is that the plants, unlike cultivated hemp, are heavily branched. But I have seen pics of Lyster H. Dewey strains that were heavily branched too.

http://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/IND43892174/PDF

I know they are not good to smoke. But it would be interesting to know if the origin of the patch is before the prohibition in 1937.

Hemp was not selected for its cannabinoid content or profile. But prior to prohibition some strains could be not the best, but perhaps smokable.

I have read that high CBD to THC ratio was intentionally selected along very low THC levels to ruin the high.

The Colorado Hemp Production Act

The Colorado Act attempts to clarify the language in the 1937 Act, by defining “Hemp” as all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa containing less than 1% THC.” It amends the definition of “Marijuana” and “Marijuana Products” to include only those Cannabis plants that contain more than 1% THC. As a safety provision, it also includes a requirement that hemp plants contain cannabidol (“CBD”) in concentrations equal to or greater than the THC concentration. The high CBD content of such plants tends to counteract the psychoactive effects associated with any THC present.

http://www.votehemp.com/PDF/jiha_vol2no2.pdf

So strains cultivated later as in WW2 Hemp for Victory perhaps could be worse.

Ditch weed withstand bad wheather, strong winds, short summers, molds, insects, pests, disease, animals like rabbits or deers, DEA, angry growers,... And it still grows and seems indestructible. Some very tall, heavily branched and fast growing healthy plants with a short flowering time. It must be a very interesting breeding tool.

It would be interesting to get some reputedly famous Nebraska ditch weed :D or any other Midwestern or Northern States seeds.

Greetings.
 
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Only Ornamental

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I have seen some midwestern ditch weed pics and some have a beautiful tropical "sativa" appearance :D

http://bniblet.com/ditchweed/

What really strikes me is that the plants, unlike cultivated hemp, are heavily branched. But I have seen pics of Lyster H. Dewey strains that were heavily branched too...
Nice pics in that link :) .
The nearly horizontal branching of both, ditch weed and Dewey's hemp, comes from Chinese varieties whereas the narrow leaflets are remnants of Northern and partially Central Russian varieties.
Ditch weed combines all the advantages of its ancestors, such as heavy branching, early maturing, and a lot of seeds. The diverse genetics contributing to feral hemp and the absence of human selection assure a high degree of variability and hence hybrid vigour (although not so much regarding fibres as these qualities are linked to the late maturing Chinese and Italian varieties).
It is entirely possible to find at least some individuals of the mixed or even pure THC chemotype because many of the Southern European varieties used in the first hybrids (before the mostly Chinese trend) were from the mixed chemotype.

Gotta run, chimney does weird things....
 

Bud Green

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I just scanned these pics from my photo album of a cross-country adventure I went on in 1975....
I found this field in the midwest... Never heard the term "Landrace" then.
Looks like some pretty pure sativa to me....
 

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J-Icky

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Yeah in my part of northern indiana the stuff used to grow heavily in a few spots outside of town, had for years. Well in the mid-late 90's some of the local "gangsters" started going out and cutting the stuff down and started selling it. Well by the mid 00's the local police and others had to go out and eradicate most of it. Not because they wanted to or it was getting anyone high, but because by then a few of the kids decided they weren't happy just "cutting" mexican brick weed with this stuff and tried selling it, and only it, in multi pound deals. Well the people they sold it too weren't to happy o the went and retaliated, which caused the original gang to retaliate, and resulted in a sort of gang war.

The worst part, besides losing some unique genetics, is that while the leos were taking out the hemp, they also took out a bunch of the old stoners/hippies grows too. That resulted in my city losing a couple of great local varieties that put too shame the dutch and canadian seedbank varieties that replaced them.
 

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