Am I being unreaonable?

[dasher65]

Geez mate...I fear for ya! He sounds like the sort of prick who'd dob you in as soon as look at ya! He's ultra careful about his OWN welfare but carews shit for anyone else...if he doesn't rat you into the police then he'll send some ****s in to steal the plants for him!!! He's a black hearted soul with greed in his mind & $$$ in his eyes.

 

[Strainhunter]

Yeah an asshole!

Watch your back!!!

This!

 

[Killacash]

Maybe I'm just green/wet behind the ears or just not reading the story correctly. You asked this guy to risk his freedom to tend to your plants once before, because you were ill (really the reason doesn't matter) and you gave him half of your harvest as a reward. He does this for you, both parties knowing the risk involved, if you asked anyone else who wasn't keen on green they would've looked at you as a criminal. Now, he asks you to do him a favor and watch his moms for him and he can pick up some of his own genetics at a later time which he believes is superior to what you gave him. It is only an opinion, not fact, don't take it to heart. If it really bithers you so bad, work out a deal to where he allows you to take a clone of his so called superior genetics or half of his resultng harvest as you did him. I really don't see the problem here unless he doest agree to those conditions. This guy looked out for you while you were ill regardless of how much green you gave him, that has to count for something.

 

[darkstar12]

Maybe I'm just green/wet behind the ears or just not reading the story correctly. You asked this guy to risk his freedom to tend to your plants once before, because you were ill (really the reason doesn't matter) and you gave him half of your harvest as a reward. He does this for you, both parties knowing the risk involved, if you asked anyone else who wasn't keen on green they would've looked at you as a criminal. Now, he asks you to do him a favor and watch his moms for him and he can pick up some of his own genetics at a later time which he believes is superior to what you gave him. It is only an opinion, not fact, don't take it to heart. If it really bithers you so bad, work out a deal to where he allows you to take a clone of his so called superior genetics or half of his resultng harvest as you did him. I really don't see the problem here unless he doest agree to those conditions. This guy looked out for you while you were ill regardless of how much green you gave him, that has to count for something.

Thats one way of looking at it, and I did try and wrap my head around that P.O.V. but:

1) In my mind the initial partnership was a one time deal, which I probably should have made clear to the guy, but I figured with this "hobby" was obvious.

2) My back injury occurred mid-season, so most of the work was already done and all that was needed were a couple of waterings, feedings, and harvesting. Maybe a half dozen trips total for which he was AMPLY rewarded.

3) I've really got my hands full with the Moms, clones, and seedlings of my own which I've been growing for years, am familiar with and are fantastic. I simply dont have the space or the time to care for more.

4) His whole approach to growing is just downright scary. He somehow convinces others to assume the majority of the risk. He's talked someone else to build a bloom room in their attic, he supplies the genetics, this guy does most of the work. He's got another room for veg somewhere else at another guys house, and he is trying to enlist me to be his mother keeper and cloner. He does not even trim or dry at his house.

In other words, he assumes almost zero risk while recruiting others to do almost all the work, and than shows up for his split when all is said and done. Basically he has a network of people to do everything for him. Sorry, but I want no part of someone who operates like that.

Had I known that was his modus operandi from the start, I would never, ever have gotten involved and would have let the crop I needed help on wither and die.

If it were a simple matter of just trading cuttings once in awhile Id be down with something like that, but this guy basically wants to get in your shit and get a piece of it.

There are probably different opinions on this Im sure, but when I started in the 80's I saw alot of people get ripped off or busted. For the most part the common denominator was that they involved other people, either by partnering up, talking or showing their grow off. I've also read NUMEROURS stories here on icmag about partnerships gone south, people bugging other people for soil, nutes, cuttings, people "plant sitting" than finding out the plants were infested with bugs or disease, etc.

These were life lessons to me and really drove home the point that this past time is best done solo, and to never, ever share the fact that you grow.

 

[-~Wind Walker~-]

Security Cameras

Security Cameras

Geez mate...I fear for ya! He sounds like the sort of prick who'd dob you in as soon as look at ya! He's ultra careful about his OWN welfare but carews shit for anyone else...if he doesn't rat you into the police then he'll send some ****s in to steal the plants for him!!! He's a black hearted soul with greed in his mind & $$$ in his eyes.

Agreed. Set up some security cameras. Don't skimp.

And who's to say he hasn't already been popped and was wearing a wire or mini camera to gather evidence against you?

If one asks a question, they need to be ready for an answer they do not want to hear. You told him no, way to stay firm.

Hindsight being 20/20. Smiling, stalling him & frustrating him with BS, non commitment, incompetence, other commitments, etc., and making his idea seem like a mistake would have been a good route to go. But, when someone just shows up at your door un-announced, it can be hard to think on your feet and keep your wits.

Him being so over assertive makes me wonder if he is doing some of those other stimulating products you mentioned he cross sells. I have experienced people who are over the top when they do the booger sugar.

I commend you for sharing this info regarding partners and getting feedback from ICmag.

Be careful, you have much to think about. Good luck.

-~WW~-

 

[baan]

Watch your back real good.

Sounds like he might be setting you up. Who knows, maybe he already was busted and is trying to cut a deal with the police by setting you up, I mean come on your car? That reeks of a setup. All they have to do is pull you over, then they have a search warrant and bust in the door. You did the right thing by telling him to never come back.

Tear down, move, or get rid of him (again). Either way paranoia will save your ass on this one, even if he is just a case. Maybe tell him that the police are onto you, and you can't grow anymore... If he asks "what, why do you think that" just tell him there are cars and people with telescopic lenses outside of your home all the time, so you'd rather not take the risk. If he gets mamby-pamby tell him "look, I'm not stupid, and I don't want to spend time in the jail. It's over. There's nothing on me now, and I can't take the risk again." He won't phone the police just to make sure, because not only does he have something to loose as well but it's illegal to make false statements. He knows that the police would be pissed if they found nothing and wasted their time, and he knows that it would probably come back to bight him in the ass.

I've been set up before, although the police weren't involved I was still set up. The hard way of learning leaves an impression on you. It's time to turn the tables.

And the nose candy might be something to his advantage, he can get people to do things for him with that. Yea, been in that situation too. Get some dogs and a bow with a lot of arrows.

I'm not trying to scare you, but I learned the hard way. This guy is not in it for the benefit of everybody else, and everybody knows that now. If you play your cards right he will never take an interest in you again, and things will go back to the way they were. But from now on it's 100% security. No smell, no sell, no tell, no light leaks, no remnants, etc. It seems you already had that going for you, so it will be easy to get that going again.

And the vegetables are a good idea, even if there wasn't a security concern. They're delicious. Two seperate rooms are a good idea, because if they find the vegetables there is a chance that they might loose interest in the search. Although to make the strategy (almost) fullproof you would need some serious time and investment to change things up.

 

[growshopfrank]

Its time to take a vacation from growing at least a year depends on the mokes attention span good luck

 

[Strainhunter]

As others already suggested: The only way to get rid of him is to scare him off by faking a "knock and talk" you had.

Or move elsewhere if you can.


Personally I don't see you having other options.

He knows you are growing and as you already know that IS a liability.

 

[bugler]

NO WAY you should bluff cops. EVEN if he isn't a coked up cowboy who comes gunning for you if he gets popped, he may well have associates that will. Making it seem like you are hot is a dangerous move to make.

If it were me, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night after the exchange you had. I would have to resolve that. I really only see 3 options.
1. Just try to make friends. Take him out for a beer, tell him you got high/ate some acid/meditated whatever, and the sour exchange between you two bothered you. Tell him you've been FRIENDS for a long time, and you are sorry you let the tension and paranoia of your hobby get in the way of that friendship. No, you still won't take the mom's because it doesn't work with your room being full and your lack of desire for more genetics/upkeep etc, but you still wanted to smooth the air and, yes this part will be hard, apologize for being a dick to him!
2. Make him think you quit growing. It's gotta be believable, but IMNHO, can't involve heat.
3. Actually quit growing.
maybe 4. Move, depends how big your local scene is, won't do much good if you're not in a major metro area and don't have a lot of overlap in friend circles.

Whatever you choose to do, I know i wouldn't feel safe with bad blood out there with an unstable person!

 

[darkstar12]

Update...

Damn if the dude does not have a human side after all.

Got a call this morning with him asking me if I wanted to meet up for a cup of coffee. I was hesitant and I guess he sensed this and he said for me to pick a place, which I did. A place that gets alot of traffic on a busy street, yet allows areas for private conversation.

The gist of it is he said he didnt realize how much of a private person I am when it comes to growing, and basically apologized up and down for imposing on me, my privacy, and my grow, and said it would not happen again.

He did go onto to say that if I want he will stop by with a couple of cuttings and samples from the mother that he wanted me to keep, and to try them out no strings attached and that if I was interested in keeping the mom get back to him.

He did seem genuine with all of these remarks, but given what I know of him, I am going to decline on accepting anything from him.

Hopefully this shit is over and I can get onto the next shit!

 

[HydroJen]

That sounds like a nice ending.
Maybe he came across your thread
I still think you are completely reasonable, and I hope to have the ability to keep my cool and act as reasonably during any future issues.

 

[ballplayer 2]

Sounds like the situation got a little better at the end. However, I would still lay low for at least 6 months, and do everything in my power to avoid him and anyone he is close with.

That whole situation sounded like a setup to me. Stay FAR away from that guy. He's way too free wheeling with our hobby, considering the current laws.

Good luck with everything.

BP

 

[bugler]

He read my last post! Way to be a good guy mr. bad guy!

 

[OMountainMix]

Well I'm way less worried about you since he called and tried to make it right. Maybe he is just a high-rolling pushy dude, but an ok guy on the inside.

I think I would tell him that I sooooo appreciate the offer on the moms, but you just don't have the space for anything new. AFter all, any time you take cuts from someone, you've got to find ANOTHER space to keep them isolated until you're sure they don't have something that you don't want.

I guess out of the whole thing, there are a couple of things that bother me.

Pot doesn't usually get people busted without an egregious error or a rat, but other things DO. I don't imagine he'll really sell you out when he does get busted, it seems like he is trying to be cool, even, he'll probably sell out people involved with his powder trade, or whatever it is he's up to. But if he keeps rolling in his other trade, you can BE SURE that he WILL get busted.

Him showing up at your house really bothered me, b/c another grower should know, of all people, not to show up unannounced at a grower's house.

You guys exchanging tense words bothered me, although it SEEMS that it's probably ok. Still scary, though. When you're a grower, you just have to be nice, even when you want to curse out, tell off, or strangle people (case in point the crack house/brothel across the street from me). If you're nice and keep your place nice, you fit in. As a grower, you know you can't do anything to draw attention to yourself, and you can't afford beef with anyone. Makes me want to scream sometimes, but that's how it is.

I do think you need to find a way to convince him that you are done growing. Maybe I'd even do this:

Call him and say: Hey, after you came over unannounced, it really freaked me and my wife out, and we cut everything down b/c I was worried that you seemed mad at me and I don't want to have problems. Can I get something from you when you're next round is done? And I'd buy pot from him for a while, 6 months to a year, so he thinks you're done growing. If he keeps bringing up keeping his moms or even gifting you his moms, say "No thank, my wife is too freaked out to let me grow anymore, maybe some day." And then make sure you move any bud you sell out of town or at least to no one that's connected to him. Although, I'm not sure you wouldn't end up making a mistake if you move it in town, sounds like he's got his finger in every pie.

Anyhow, good luck. What an annoying and freaky experience for you!

 

[ddrew]

I wouldn't go as far as shutting down, this guy has a lot to lose himself, he's not going to get into a big beef with you because you won't let him keep his moms there, he'll just move on to someone else.

You tell him I'm saying no, and it's not up for discussion.

Update...

Damn if the dude does not have a human side after all.

Got a call this morning with him asking me if I wanted to meet up for a cup of coffee. I was hesitant and I guess he sensed this and he said for me to pick a place, which I did. A place that gets alot of traffic on a busy street, yet allows areas for private conversation.

The gist of it is he said he didnt realize how much of a private person I am when it comes to growing, and basically apologized up and down for imposing on me, my privacy, and my grow, and said it would not happen again.

He did go onto to say that if I want he will stop by with a couple of cuttings and samples from the mother that he wanted me to keep, and to try them out no strings attached and that if I was interested in keeping the mom get back to him.

He did seem genuine with all of these remarks, but given what I know of him, I am going to decline on accepting anything from him.

Hopefully this shit is over and I can get onto the next shit!

Well what do you know, I was right.

LMAO at all this "you have to shut down for a year and move to Siberia" "you have to fake a big run in with LEO and scare him away"

Nancy Reagan and I were right this whole time.
All you had to do was "Just say no"

 

[HighDesertJoe]

He sounds like a Tweeking Scum of the Earth who you've screwed the pooch with in the first place, and telling him off might not have been the best way to go. I would of told him you might be HOT and the Wifey has put the foot down so your closing up shop and sorry you can't help him out..you just don't want to piss off such a unstable person..Good Luck..

 

[*Lola*]

The dude is smooth I will give him that....

DONT TAKE THE CUTS

 

[Noobian]

I'd stop growing for a while if it was me, this guy sounds like he is trying to get you busted. Just stop talking to him and cut off ties, and quit growing, that is the only 100% sure way to have peace of mind. If you can't stop growing then you probably should find a different place to keep your op, definitely not at the residence you are residing it that's for sure. Loose lips sink ships, and snitches have some loose assed lips!

 

[Babbabud]

When was the last time one of you guys called someone up to meet for coffee ? just curious ?

 

[Strainhunter]

When was the last time one of you guys called someone up to meet for coffee ? just curious ?

Yeah no kidding huh!?

I think for me it was when I was 14 and didn't know what else to say to the girl I was after.