alternative fuel sources

[Bennyweed1]

I have been trying a lot of different methods. All my work stems from inventors of our past that were offed by the man.

Tom Ogle: Invented a fuel vapor system

Stanley Meyer: Invented a hydrogen fuel cell

both are died from questionable deaths. Their work inspires me and reaffirms that the information we are told about combustion is complete crap and that real efficiency is being suppressed.

It is said that 60-65% of fuel injected into modern EFI engines are wasted. It is sent through the exhaust to be burned by catalytic converts and evaporated by the evap sytem.

Here is my idea. Why cant fuel pressure be increased, fuel injectors be improves to create a ultra fine mist, and fuel be heated by engine heat to create almost a vapor mist when injected?

If only 30-35% of fuel is actually used to fuel a modern engine, then why not atomize heated fuel and only use 30-35% of what we currently do now. That would mean a 60-65% percent increase, right?

If you drop a lit match into a bucket of gasoline, it will go out. If you take the same gas, and spray it from a spray bottle over that lit match, and youll have a fire ball.

Now take that same fuel, use a small amount and turn it into a mist, and youll have a violent, high energy 100% ignition.

Does anyone else see what Im trying to get at here? Gasoline is not the problem, the problem is how it is being delivered and ignited.

 

[Scroggy B]

The design of the combustion engine is a trade off mostly between cost and effectiveness. There are many factors in the equation which results a specific motor design. What you are suggesting will require a more accurate and delicate system design, which takes up more time and resources to achieve. Of course, once you start mass-producing something, the costs are lower, but still higher in comparison to low-precision equipment. Still, there seems to be no real demand for such engines - people buy what they're offered.
Besides, who said that oil and energy companies don't own the automotive corporations? I look at modern cars, and the rate of improvement seems impeded, as if on purpose. It is only the consumers' interest, super-economic and reliable cars, but it is not an interest of the producers'.

 

[thatonedude]

of course the rate of improvement is impeaded on purpose. at least as far as efficiency goes. the government has set deadlines for efficiency. so that is all they (auto manufacturers) are going to do.

they are not going to roll out vehicles that meat 2025 standards in 2015. why would they? then the government would start setting more and more difficult to meet deadlines. not to mention the more they sell now that are not efficient the more they will be able to sell later with efficiency as a selling point.

 

[Scroggy B]

Yep.. something about economy-engineering-decisions-monopolies, never listened in that class anyway.

 

[mk6]

look into C.A.T. technology its been around for quite a while, but seems to have lost traction... this (imo) is the best solution to the combustion engine, C.A.T. works on the same principal as combustion except, its compressed air that drives the piston.

I dont think it would take much to make this mainstream, just put 1/2 the resource's they put into the electric car. But the biggest hurdle... Greed... lol Cant sell air as fuel unless u add something to it... but just think about it cars that run on AIR omg...

youtube link

 

[trichrider]

...what if?

what if you compressed the combustion gasses by not allowing exhaust and used the compressed air to power the cylinder?

ultrasonic atomizing of fuel before combustion should up efficiency.

...a gravity well is what i'm considering atm.

 

[stoned-trout]

we could go back to wood gassifyers {sp?} lol

 

[D. B. Doober]

human corpses

 

[waveguide]

dunno. i say, just walk.

what alternative fuel can i put in my oil lighter that won't try and kill me?

 

[igrowone]

we could go back to wood gassifyers {sp?} lol

one of my favorites, mostly because it's a proven, practical technology
and they are still made, some parts of the world are off the grid to put it mildly
wood pellets are very available now, a natural match
get the tech a little more user friendly and we could have a winner

 

[Max Headroom]

Stanley Meyer: Invented a hydrogen fuel cell

i remember watching a doc a few yrs ago where he demonstrated his older apparatus. pretty amazing.
since the doc was a few years old i thought "let's see what he's been up to in the meantime" only to find out that he was dead.
very suspicious.

 

[stoned-trout]

one of my favorites, mostly because it's a proven, practical technology
and they are still made, some parts of the world are off the grid to put it mildly
wood pellets are very available now, a natural match
get the tech a little more user friendly and we could have a winner

you can use wood chips from a chipper too..brush and other stuff..hell you could run the chipper off one too... you don't have to buy pellets then

 

[vostok]

Lets look at the end product,

Destination Achieved and with yet more pollution?

cut the shit, and ease off the need for Destination ..is the way?

 

[igrowone]

you can use wood chips from a chipper too..brush and other stuff..hell you could run the chipper off one too... you don't have to buy pellets then

those are the existing tech, see a few of them out there, for those who just don't want to pay into the grid
it does have the chore of building a fire, wait period to drive vehicle
few will do that by choice
to be wide spread tech it needs to compete with the current state of the art
get in, click the switch, and power in 5-10 seconds or so, my guess for the average person's patience

 

[Stoner4Life]

hemp power, renewable resource, very eco friendly, and another dagger in the govts ongoing repression of cannabis.......

 

[noyd666]

human hot AIR.

 

[WelderDan]

I have been trying a lot of different methods. All my work stems from inventors of our past that were offed by the man.

Tom Ogle: Invented a fuel vapor system

Stanley Meyer: Invented a hydrogen fuel cell

both are died from questionable deaths. Their work inspires me and reaffirms that the information we are told about combustion is complete crap and that real efficiency is being suppressed.

It is said that 60-65% of fuel injected into modern EFI engines are wasted. It is sent through the exhaust to be burned by catalytic converts and evaporated by the evap sytem.

Here is my idea. Why cant fuel pressure be increased, fuel injectors be improves to create a ultra fine mist, and fuel be heated by engine heat to create almost a vapor mist when injected?

If only 30-35% of fuel is actually used to fuel a modern engine, then why not atomize heated fuel and only use 30-35% of what we currently do now. That would mean a 60-65% percent increase, right?

If you drop a lit match into a bucket of gasoline, it will go out. If you take the same gas, and spray it from a spray bottle over that lit match, and youll have a fire ball.

Now take that same fuel, use a small amount and turn it into a mist, and youll have a violent, high energy 100% ignition.

Does anyone else see what Im trying to get at here? Gasoline is not the problem, the problem is how it is being delivered and ignited.

Smokey Yunic invented an adiabatic "hot air" system in 1984. He was able to get 250 HP and 250 lb-ft of torque out of a 151 cubic inch Pontiac Fiero engine. It got 51 MPG and used a carburetor and met all emission standards of the time. And no computer controls.

Linky: http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1009-what-ever-happened-to-smokeys-hot-vapor-engine/

Your idea already has proof of concept. I imagine with fuel injection and electronic engine management, the system would be even more efficient.

 

[420somewhere]

Very cool link

Very cool link

Smokey Yunic invented an adiabatic "hot air" system in 1984. He was able to get 250 HP and 250 lb-ft of torque out of a 151 cubic inch Pontiac Fiero engine. It got 51 MPG and used a carburetor and met all emission standards of the time. And no computer controls.

Linky: http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1009-what-ever-happened-to-smokeys-hot-vapor-engine/

Your idea already has proof of concept. I imagine with fuel injection and electronic engine management, the system would be even more efficient.

Thanks for the read

 

[Bennyweed1]

That is awesome. I just rubbed that article in the face of a lot of haters on this automotive forum I am also on.

It amazes me how sheeple like people be are. People over there are busting my balls, calling me stupid, and how fuel can not be improved because internal combustion engines can not operate at higher compression, lean fuel ratios, blah blah blah. Its like they dont understand they only are lead to believe that because the system maintains its status quo from doing so.

Whatever.

So here is my experiment I will be trying out.

I have built an h2 generator with parts I ordered online. I basically copied a design you can buy right off the intrawebz. I made a dry cell h2 gen.

I have a 1986 k5 blazer with a carburetor.

I am thinking of a way to build a housing that will house a ultrasonic fogger. I want the ultrasonic fogger to be sprayed with heated fuel by something similar to a modern fuel injector that will increase fuel amount in relation to engine RPM. I want the spray to be directed directly onto the disc of the fogger.

I want to do this because I dont want the fogger partially submerged in fuel.....but rather ran as a dry cell considering the fuel will be delivered directly to the ultrasonic disc.

Ill heat the fuel with some form of heat exchanger taking heat from the engine coolant.

but maybe a spray isnt the best means of doing this? Maybe a drip....Ill have to experiment.

Then from there Ill connect both lines directly to the intake with a flash suppressor and let the vacuum from the engine pull the gasses in.

The only problem I see is the initially start. The key will have to be left on for a few seconds to build pressure which can then be sucked into the engine when the key is turned over. Kind of how older diesels have a delay before starting while the glow plugs heat up.

 

[vostok]

I hope you post a link to this one its up and running, with pics thanks "V"