Afghani landrace

[Roms]

Thanks!
I definitely prefer pheno plus indica, even though I'm a sativa-man ...
The seeds should have been harvested near Kabul.

Ok i ask because there is more sativa ones from the North... Mazari style! By cons the genetic in the South is more indica and less hybrided it seems, Deep Chunk style. Paradoxaly this ancestor BLD is from the high altitude of the Hindu Kush up in the North!

This difference North/South works also with the Iranians i think. (?)

 

[willydread]

Ok i ask because there is more sativa ones from the North... Mazari style! By cons the genetic in the South is more indica and less hybrided it seems, Deep Chunk style. Paradoxaly this ancestor BLD is from the high altitude of the Hindu Kush up in the North!

This difference North/South works also with the Iranians i think. (?)

I am not an expert on indica or Afghans, but I know for sure that a large number of Iranians went to Afghanistan to fight, as well as from Pakistan(and not forgetting the "Dutch" variety introduced by drug traffickers)

 

[J-Icky]

Well from those who have actually explored the cannabis growing in Afghanistan have come to say most of what’s there is not the WLD we all expect but is mostly NLD. The plants found in the Hindu Kush region are almost exclusively NLD types, which goes against what most outsiders expected.
They also say afghani no.1 is most likely from the north west/central region and was most likely selected from a few plants the expressed WLD traits since most of what was available at that time was NLD types and this offered a stark contrast and something visually different from what was commonly available. They also said most of those who went there presoviet were only collecting those types of seeds as they were different even though most of what was growing throughout Afghanistan were actually NLD types. But since the NLD types looked like everything else they were ignored.

 

[willydread]

NLD phenotype

I had some tastings of the pheno wld, being inseminated their taste is a little bitter, however the taste is spicy and a little skunky, it reminds me of the Swiss herb of many years ago ...
The effect is psychedelic, electric but not stimulating, you can do everything, but you are continuously in a trippy mode,subsequently it takes you to a relax phase, but always functional, never couchlock...

 

[romanoweed]

Cool, that Description sounds a bit related to what i told with that Strain i called High Gravity. Even you say ist not locking you in Place. My Experience corresponds with psychedelic trippy, but not stimulating, and that secoundary relax aspect. Exact that not Stimulation Thing has let me decide to just not react to anything, or communicate to much, i assume. So, not dooing anything could be a step further of that unstimulating thingy..
just a mor indica`ish pheno..? . Who knows probably you eventually find one of that High Gravity phenos, wich was what i experienced, and also everyone reacts different.


Olle!

 

[willydread]

Thanks!
I called it pheno indica because of the large leaves, increased resin production, low height, but basically who knows what is it ...
I could define the effect as trippy with stand by option hahaha
The only sad note is that I had no males, much less I had similar lines ....

 

[therevverend]

Awesome Willy, what a great find.

 

[willydread]

Due to the lack of an Afghan male, I used the only male available (haze), so I will have
* at least 4 different types of afghan x haze crosses...

 

[willydread]

Today I tasted a more nld phenotype, I was a little disappointed, no effect and very little taste....
I am increasingly convinced that they contain feral / hemp genetics.....

 

[romanoweed]

Sounds plausible it contains Hemp aswell. I see Similarities to Kasachstans Races, wich have strong Wild Population, threrefore makes up big Part of Kasachstans possibly multipurposal-Landraces Genetic Makeup ( wild Pollination). Or how does Afghanistans Hemp`y Strains look like? Yeah just hempy

 

[CannaZen]

Indica cbd chemotypes related to hemp, chinese hong kong seeds definitely Indica phenotype hemp barring no thc resin the sativa cultivated cultivate var thc.


vavilovs 1920 afghanica sativa/indica hybrid or what were among the first resin cultivar hashplants. ooo2 So thcv were found among afghanistan/pakistan/india/south east asia and african specimens of today. cbdv were also found among the cbd tetrahydro varine chemotype varientalis.

 

[TheHatman]

nice thread!



I also keep an afghani landrace collected in the 70s at Mazar e sharif area. I saved this strain from 25yo seeds (my thread). I also contains different phenos/genos. One that has thinner leaves and another with fat leaves. But they all have a narcotic effect.

 

[willydread]

Thanks to all!
After a while I did another taste of the NLD pheno, the effect is relaxing but not narcotic, rather than sleeping it puts you in that way that you can do everything, even work, but in reality you do nothing (hahahaha) because you are relaxing, joyful of life, a slightly light but very pleasant effect...
The aroma is particular, of incense, and a little spicy,

 

[Thcvhunter]

Really cool

Bodhi shared some NLD Afghan flowers with me at Emerald Cup

It was the perfect herb for meditating - all head and no body, non-narcotic. The head high was great for meditating as it was calm and peaceful but didnt tire you put so you could do intense mental work while chilling.

Its really the ultimate and when you understand the chill spirituality of the Afghan people, this high makes a lof of sense.

Ive been looking for these NLD Affy genetics for a while, especially the ones from that particular mission after Jaw Breaker.

To me, the couchlock Affy genetics from the 80's were bred by UK/US/Can for myrcene to make it easier for people to transition to heroin.
That intense narcotic effect is not really what the Hindu/Affy genetics are about.

Nice thread

 

[willydread]

Thanks for the rep.
Yes, the effect was definitely different from the classic indica, really a shame not to have had a boy ...
I think it was a set of things that almost extinguished these cultivars, from the ever increasing demand for hashish, (that extremely nld pheno is not very productive in terms of quantity) and therefore of seeds, to the long war, to the new genetics introduced. (although I have seen several recent images showing some heterosis in Afghan fields, rsc varieties also produce pheno ranging from wld to nld).
It's all out there, you just have to find it ...

 

[Raho]

Really cool

Bodhi shared some NLD Afghan flowers with me at Emerald Cup

It was the perfect herb for meditating - all head and no body, non-narcotic. The head high was great for meditating as it was calm and peaceful but didnt tire you put so you could do intense mental work while chilling.

Its really the ultimate and when you understand the chill spirituality of the Afghan people, this high makes a lof of sense.

Ive been looking for these NLD Affy genetics for a while, especially the ones from that particular mission after Jaw Breaker.

To me, the couchlock Affy genetics from the 80's were bred by UK/US/Can for myrcene to make it easier for people to transition to heroin.
That intense narcotic effect is not really what the Hindu/Affy genetics are about.

Nice thread

Hi old friend
In my experience growing NorCal sourced Affies in '81, '82, etc. etc. the knockout hashplants have ALWAYS been in the family. That is exactly what the lines were like and no change through breeding was needed to steer them that way.
Breeders in UK/US/Can weren't steering towards myrcene. Nobody had ever even heard of "terps" back then. Those western breeders were lucky just to make an F2 generation that preserved the magic of the best phenos from the year before.

Adding the extra suggestion that there was an evil intent to create cannabis strains specifically to target heroin users in the 80s? That's just ridiculous amigo.
Heroin in the US back then was NOTHING like it is now.
The number of people using it was a tiny fraction of the problem we face right now.
Weed people back then simply weren't thinking about how to turn heroin addiction into an opportunity for growers. Never happened.

If you get a chance, check out the book released with "The Durand Line Project" by Indian Landrace Exchange. I have the PDF version.
Such excellent documentation of the variety of genetics in a specific region of AFG and explanations about the differences in genetics and the mindset/practices of the people who grow it and make seeds for their next season. No single description of plant type or selection strategies could ever be correct for an entire country of farmers. As a matter of fact, it seems like they are all quite different in approach/results, especially at the top of the quality pyramid.

Hope life is treating you well amigo.

Cheers

 

[burningfire]

Really cool

Bodhi shared some NLD Afghan flowers with me at Emerald Cup

It was the perfect herb for meditating - all head and no body, non-narcotic. The head high was great for meditating as it was calm and peaceful but didnt tire you put so you could do intense mental work while chilling.

Its really the ultimate and when you understand the chill spirituality of the Afghan people, this high makes a lof of sense.

Ive been looking for these NLD Affy genetics for a while, especially the ones from that particular mission after Jaw Breaker.

To me, the couchlock Affy genetics from the 80's were bred by UK/US/Can for myrcene to make it easier for people to transition to heroin.
That intense narcotic effect is not really what the Hindu/Affy genetics are about.

Nice thread

Yeah, I don't buy that. Like Raho said I don't think there was much breeding happening with those early Affies, whatever managed to survive a season and produce generously was carried forward.

The thing is people are smoking hash plants like joint/pipe weed. Smoking the plant material of a hashplant never went into the selection process. I grew a Nepalese years back and the bud was crippling, I'm not a heavy smoker but the first toke of the day, usually in the evening would cripple me.. the head was buzzy and enjoyable but the body was uncomfortable for me, at least until the 2nd bowl. Now the hash I made was an entirely different experience, it was much more balanced but still extremely
relaxing at higher dosages, It was just smoother and more comfortable than the bud itself.

I crossed that to a PCK male and managed to get a good hybrid with all the qualities of the Nepalese without the crippling body.

 

[Benny106]

Great thread thanks for sharing.