Weldman420
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Was wondering if someone can explain breeding cannabis my next grow I want to get in to breeding so what I want to know is how does it work is it hard to learn
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Advice on breeding
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GrassSnakeGenetics
First question is what are you breeding for or trying to achieve?
without an aim you are just pollen chucking which is fine but not really breeding. it's not that hard to throw pollen on a female. If you pick a mom you like and a dad you like and let them go at it you might well have an F1 generation that has many phenotypes (genetic expression) that you like, because you liked the parents. it's super easy to make great seeds but equally easy to make sub par lines through poor selection, possibly through naivety of a line or lack of material.
The real art in this is probably having great males because you can't smoke him up to know how great his kids will be, although some do smoke the males as a test for potency.. but sometimes genetics combine badly and great genes or their expression get lost within the gene pool. you just don't know how the genetics will combine but the more stable the parents the more likely you will get greater heterosis or hybrid vigour.. throw too much in the gumbo and it doesn't know what it wants to be anymore.
So far this has been mostly how cannabis breeding has been done and we have some amazing results that are admittedly starting to bottleneck and become a bit samey, which was always going to happen because the average person likes a particular effect and they don't know what it is because they're not experts, it's just a great stone to the layman.
As I understand it to really breed cannabis like they do with almost all legal plants takes like 7 generations of hitting different generations to each other to select out the phenotypes within and then recombine them in the final generations to lock certain traits and to have truly selected away from the ones you don't want. This is a pretty huge undertaking really that kinda requires a very large scale grow operation selecting and throwing away hundreds-thousands of plants as you go through the generations making your selection. You also really need to start with hundreds of individuals at least to see what the state of the gene pool you are starting with is like to know what will even happen when you cross two individuals..
In short it is as simple or complex as you want it to be but 90% of what is going on is the simple method.
Some great groups like ACE seeds are preserving the pure lines from many landrace locations and breeding with these might possibly yield the most interesting and creative new "hype" strains.. Funny that the cookie phenom is made from the injection of durban poisons mostly African genes into kushes Afghani Himalayan.
That's as I understand it,, I'm no expert on cannabis breeding through because I only really pollen chuck
without an aim you are just pollen chucking which is fine but not really breeding. it's not that hard to throw pollen on a female. If you pick a mom you like and a dad you like and let them go at it you might well have an F1 generation that has many phenotypes (genetic expression) that you like, because you liked the parents. it's super easy to make great seeds but equally easy to make sub par lines through poor selection, possibly through naivety of a line or lack of material.
The real art in this is probably having great males because you can't smoke him up to know how great his kids will be, although some do smoke the males as a test for potency.. but sometimes genetics combine badly and great genes or their expression get lost within the gene pool. you just don't know how the genetics will combine but the more stable the parents the more likely you will get greater heterosis or hybrid vigour.. throw too much in the gumbo and it doesn't know what it wants to be anymore.
So far this has been mostly how cannabis breeding has been done and we have some amazing results that are admittedly starting to bottleneck and become a bit samey, which was always going to happen because the average person likes a particular effect and they don't know what it is because they're not experts, it's just a great stone to the layman.
As I understand it to really breed cannabis like they do with almost all legal plants takes like 7 generations of hitting different generations to each other to select out the phenotypes within and then recombine them in the final generations to lock certain traits and to have truly selected away from the ones you don't want. This is a pretty huge undertaking really that kinda requires a very large scale grow operation selecting and throwing away hundreds-thousands of plants as you go through the generations making your selection. You also really need to start with hundreds of individuals at least to see what the state of the gene pool you are starting with is like to know what will even happen when you cross two individuals..
In short it is as simple or complex as you want it to be but 90% of what is going on is the simple method.
Some great groups like ACE seeds are preserving the pure lines from many landrace locations and breeding with these might possibly yield the most interesting and creative new "hype" strains.. Funny that the cookie phenom is made from the injection of durban poisons mostly African genes into kushes Afghani Himalayan.
That's as I understand it,, I'm no expert on cannabis breeding through because I only really pollen chuck
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make seeds is very very easy, regular or femenized, the market is full or mediocrity breeders with hype publicity, all around the world
breeding cannabis is another hystory......
breeding cannabis is another hystory......
If you are doing some real breeding for a certain characteristic in the plants, expect to grow out hundreds of plants and pick out the best couple or 3 plants. Pollen chucking is an easy and fun hobby for me though. I don't expect much when I grow out some seeds, but who knows I might get lucky and find a treasure someday in my few plants.
Nico Farmer
Authentic Strains Farm
For a good male selection:
Male clones transformed to Female to judge male smoking qualities,by Sam Sk. (link below)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597
Male clones transformed to Female to judge male smoking qualities,by Sam Sk. (link below)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597
Making seeds from your plants is simple, the plants do the work.
Keep the sexed males and females in veg and flower cuttings
for future crosses and back crosses.
If your female and male plants are healthy and show no hermie traits,
then flip the cuttings female plants a few weeks before you flip the cuttings of the males.
The pollen sacs will mature and spooge the eager females in flower.
Harvest the males after the pollination and discard, the are
unlikely to reveg. That's why you keep parent males in veg for future use.
Let the pollinated females mature their seeds until the seeds want to pop out
of their calyx. More days are better then early chop.
After seed harvest those buds can be cured for decent smoke,
so at least you get some stash, if diminished thc.
Harvest all the seeds and let them set up in a dark dry cool
place for a couple weeks before you plant them.
Grow those seeds, the next generation, and select the
plants that show the traits you admire.
Its just that simple.
I've been having a go without really any knowledge. However, firstly, I was made sure I had reliable genetics and went with strains that pretty much had good reports across the board. I went with ACE mostly as they have been such a reliable source and excellent strains and some Bodhi strains. I have been 'pollen' chucking and it's going great man. Lots of fun and when working with good genes you can't really go wrong and you'll end up with a ton of seed to play around with.
CaptainDankness
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You have a good line just an open pollination will yield you some dank seeds.
Of course if you want to breed true for a certain flavor or purple, etc. you are going to need to do a bit of selection over several generations.
I personally don't care too much about making a line breed true, I'm happy with keeping a cut of a nice female with plenty of hybrid vigour. After all you can keep a cut for over 20 years, beats working a line for 5+ years, which is why so few breeders truly work a line.
Of course if you want to breed true for a certain flavor or purple, etc. you are going to need to do a bit of selection over several generations.
I personally don't care too much about making a line breed true, I'm happy with keeping a cut of a nice female with plenty of hybrid vigour. After all you can keep a cut for over 20 years, beats working a line for 5+ years, which is why so few breeders truly work a line.
