Advice for first growhouse (southeast)

[cosmoline]

I am a student in college with no job and I want to rent a house a grow in it. I have a good credit line (for a student) and some money in the bank. How doable do you guys think this is? I live in the southeast (shitty laws), I have grown indoors small before, have a plan, can get rid of weight, can do all the construction/electronics, understand the legal ramifications and can keep my mouth shut. I would rent a 2 bedroom house, live in one bedroom and grow in the other. Probably grow around 3x1kw topped plants screened. Figure that since this is a college town the realtors get young guys renting houses all the time. The grow would be totally safe and stealth, I am a cleancut guy, can keep my mouth shut and can convey a positive image well. I need you veteran growers that have been in my position to convince me that it wont be a big deal. You hear about busts all the time but you never hear about the well run grows that operate smoothly and indefinably. What am I getting myself into?

 

[whodi]

dont get rid of small weight to college students, that's for sure. not even your college 'friends'...

mess with 1-2 guys max.. don't be having people over your house.

As far as you ruining your career as a college boy.. well you said you know the ramifications, so that's on you. Think about your future in depth.. not just your present. Keep a good amount of money hidden away for lawyer/bond.. fines, etc. just incase. Maybe if it's a 1st offense you can get the felony dropped on your record somehow as long as you are doing good in school. Also, I wouldn't smoke if I were you if you chose this path.

Stay humble and do unto others as you'd have them do to you

 

[T-type]

What do you want to know...
Only you know if you can do it or not...

 

[cosmoline]

I want to hear about the things which are often overlooked in planning a semi-commercial grow, such as: registering the house, paying bills, landlord/owner/neighbor/pest guy visits, throwing out grow trash, excuses for a locked door, bringing equipment in/out, etc.

Good advice on not smoking (as much), I feel like you gota look at this as a business and not a lifestyle.

Probably will need some benzos to avoid long paranoid nights in the grow house.

 

[kmk420kali]

can keep my mouth shut

I just proved you wrong...by quoting you--

 

[cosmoline]

I just proved you wrong...by quoting you--

I guess so, I just assumed an anonymous network of cannabis growers doesn't count.

 

[kmk420kali]

I guess so, I just assumed an anonymous network of cannabis growers doesn't count.

It doesn't...I was just showing you how easy it is to blow it-- Trust me man...I know how hard it is....damn near impossible-- Good luck with your grow--

 

[NiteTiger]

I'm in the SE, and I'd like to think my grows have gone smoothly, at least from my end

Just remember, if you start growing, you stop being the typical college student and start being a felon facing life in prison. Act like it. Be that perfect neighbor. Lawn always neat and trim. No parties. Everything perfect.

The biggest thing is your odor control. All the rest of it doesn't matter for shit if you don't have that under control. Don't talk yourself into the trap of 'well no one is going to be here, so I can scrimp'. You'll be busted.

For example, I've been out of commission for a few months now due to a ceiling in my home collapsing on me. At the time, I had 8 girls in flower, 4 @ 7 weeks. These were not little plants, either :wink:

The ceiling collapsed, and before I knew what had happened, I had rescue crews and police officers swarming my house. I had cops standing on the roof of my grow, literally. They were less than 6 inches from a promotion

You -must- start at your carbon filter, and work back from there, if you want to sleep. Don't think you have enough, know.

Also, know your state laws intimately. For instance in my state, the felony grade is determined by plant numbers. If I keep 10 plants or under, it is the lowest grade felony. But when I say know it, I mean KNOW it, not read it. What I mean is the difference between knowing that 10 plants or less gets you the lowest felony, and knowing that your first non-violent felony is downgraded to the next relevant misdemeanor. That means if I keep it under 10 plants, I'm likely looking at a possession charge, instead of felony manufacturing.

Important thing to know, huh?

 

[hamstring]

It doesn't...I was just showing you how easy it is to blow it-- Trust me man...I know how hard it is....damn near impossible-- Good luck with your grow--

^^^^^kmk420 is telling you more than you realize^^^^^
I am no expert and everything you see below is from personal experience.

This is tough if you plan on growing and selling. You’re a college student and I assume you have friends how do you keep them out of the house? It’s hard to believe that every time you hang with friends or chicks you are not going back to your house.
What’s your excuse and what happens when you’re out drinking with buddies and light up a fatty. Please be honest with yourself take into account you’re are human and have a plan around that fact. You really have no idea how fast people catch on. Even so you must deny, deny, deny.

I also agree one or two people max as distributation of product. Better to choose a guy that you trust that is not exactly distributation type rather than the obvious choice of the guy who always has the green.
Seems counter productive but security is job 1. Believe me you give a guy a few months to get rid of product and he will build up clients. It’s all a matter of keeping this guy with steady product.
When I first started I chose the guy (even after IC MAG friends told me what I am telling you) who was known for getting rid of weight and it was a mistake he was sloppy and after awhile you get to see this guy would turn on you in a second but you rationalize that you have to use him because he is the weight guy. Not true! any guy can be this guy if you keep him supplied its all a matter of time. Chose the trust worthy guy and have the maturity to wait for him to build up clients.

No advice on growing because I only grow outdoors.
PEACE

 

[indicapimp]

You sound like you are on track:
College is a great place to move a lot of weight for a young guy. But I think you need a firewall between you and distribution side.
Couple of things:
I would try and pull the grow back away from the college as far as possible maybe on a good bus route. Rent is cheaper farther away and it gives you a reason not to always go back to your house. Students like to be close

Next maybe try and find an unincorporated area; advantages include no city cops just county so you are a little more off the Radar.

The 3k worries me the most, it's a lot of juice for a two bedroom house. Bring the power up slow and steady. I would try and find a house with a basement, much more secure and easier to control the grow. Lock on the basement door not as much as a big deal but you will have furnace, AC and Hot water heater down there so I would only grow two runs and tear down there... shut down for the summer for indoors. Heat is a big issues with 3 1k lights in a bedroom and that room will be glowing from the outside if LEO happens to FLIR the house, not so much in the basement.

Screw the plant count and the laws, you are taking this thing on and it is going to cost you money to run it. Why risk it for 10 plants, my opinion for whatever it is worth is go big or go home. Here is the deal, 10 plants you need to veg them into trees which takes a lot of juice inside and then flower them, so you would get 1 harvest in six months instead of 2 with clones at about 80 plants per 10x10 sq. ft. The aspect of jail is real and you can not ignore it but just to take this type of project on for profit....You have to run it like a business for Max profit vs Min risk. My opinion, again for whatever it is worth; is start you seed stock, get them sexed... clone the shit out of it. Get 99 clones started and cycle them through a flower room, and then have another run IMMEDIATELY ready and run it through and then pull back to just your clone stock and take a real look at where you are in this process and make an honest decision from there.
This isn't easy and you have to produce weight to earn $$$ so make it worth the effort or do not even get started.

Peace,

 

[cosmoline]

It’s hard to believe that every time you hang with friends or chicks you are not going back to your house.

Who's to say I can't have a friend or lady over? If the grow is hidden behind a locked, lightproof door it shouldn't matter. Not having anyone over is pretty sketchy too.

Even so you must deny, deny, deny.

Always.

I also agree one or two people max as distributation of product. Better to choose a guy that you trust that is not exactly distributation type rather than the obvious choice of the guy who always has the green.
Seems counter productive but security is job 1. Believe me you give a guy a few months to get rid of product and he will build up clients. It’s all a matter of keeping this guy with steady product.

Haha around here its so dry thats exactly how its gona work, and it wont take a few months.

I would try and pull the grow back away from the college as far as possible maybe on a good bus route. Rent is cheaper farther away and it gives you a reason not to always go back to your house. Students like to be close

Thats a really good call, I know exactly where I am going to look for a place, a semi-remote location is gona solve a lot of problems.

The ceiling collapsed, and before I knew what had happened, I had rescue crews and police officers swarming my house. I had cops standing on the roof of my grow, literally. They were less than 6 inches from a promotion

I would have been shitting bricks

You -must- start at your carbon filter, and work back from there, if you want to sleep. Don't think you have enough, know.

For sure

Also, know your state laws intimately. For instance in my state, the felony grade is determined by plant numbers. If I keep 10 plants or under, it is the lowest grade felony. But when I say know it, I mean KNOW it, not read it. What I mean is the difference between knowing that 10 plants or less gets you the lowest felony, and knowing that your first non-violent felony is downgraded to the next relevant misdemeanor. That means if I keep it under 10 plants, I'm likely looking at a possession charge, instead of felony manufacturing.

Important thing to know, huh?

Im going to look into previous court cases of busted growers in my area. Its very corrupt in this town and I have the feeling that if I can get one grow under my belt I will have enough $$ to not really worry about prison.

 

[SomeGuy]

Who's to say I can't have a friend or lady over? If the grow is hidden behind a locked, lightproof door it shouldn't matter. Not having anyone over is pretty sketchy too.

Do yourself a favor and go to news.google.com and search on marijuana +grow and read a few thousand of the 34,700 stories and then click on the advanced search and narrow down to your state.

I don't know how many stories I've read where a grow was busted due to cops being called out on a domestic disturbance complaint. Then there's the stories where the ex wife/girlfriend dropped the dime for whatever reason.

Also if your area is dry, then you all of a sudden flood it, then it's not going to take very long to figure out what you are up to. Do yourself another favor and don't shit in your own nest!!!

I will have enough $$ to not really worry about prison.

Yeah right!!!!!

 

[indicapimp]

I don't know how many stories I've read where a grow was busted due to cops being called out on a domestic disturbance complaint. Then there's the stories where the ex wife/girlfriend dropped the dime for whatever reason.

Also if your area is dry, then you all of a sudden flood it, then it's not going to take very long to figure out what you are up to. Do yourself another favor and don't shit in your own nest!!!

I disagree about shit in your own nest. You need all your points covered to the point.... where it doesn't matter where you grow. I think it is harder doing it remote, logistics and such, not around enough to raise awareness of what is going on around you. Point is that if you have left out a single item in your security it will bite you no matter where you are so break it all down:

1.)Plan it out from start to finish.
2.) Find your location
3.) collect all of your supplies a couple months ahead of time and do not hang out at Grow Shops or at least as little as possible.
4.) Execute your plan and become the most boring individual in your college town at least in LEO eyes. You are on a Fucking Mission and it is WAR out there BRA THA...
5.)Do not let your guard down and measure every action on how that might effect your OP.
6.)Get a throw away phone and only use it for your main connect, keep the battery and dictate when you might expect him to being hearing from you
7.)he can never know where you live. No late night drunk dialing or stop in at 3:00am and have a Party with a Bunch of guys you have never met. It has to be on your terms or your "guy" isn't the right guy!!!

****Have faith in yourself and remind yourself that if you have been doing your plan right then you need not worry as much, it get's hard and paranoia will set in. What ever helps you sleep i would suggest using it
I even pray a little just to possible give me a little edge. ;-) It's fucking War MAN and it is a dirty game! Ying and Yang Shit.....

Hit Dat!

 

[hamstring]

Who's to say I can't have a friend or lady over? If the grow is hidden behind a locked, lightproof door it shouldn't matter. Not having anyone over is pretty sketchy too.


I understand your thinking process here but don’t think you are being honest with your self or maybe better way to describe it is you are rationalizing your desires over what really could happen.

You are in college and to say you wont get a little wild and crazy. In fact so crazy you are considering growing in this house so right there points out a little bit about you (you and me both you are not alone). So you honesty think no ones ever going to get a little intoxicated and cause problems or leave a door unlocked etc. It will happen it does to the best of us we are human no such thing as the perfect opp.

So plan around being human. I think the basement is a better idea to me also. I have grown inside when younger and always in the basement not used near as much and if a cop does come over for loud noise or domestic call its less noticeable in my opinion.

Not really a statement but more of a question to ask yourself.
Why is a college town dry?
How long have you lived in the town?
If it is truly dry what’s the reason?

If you do nothing else seek out a brother named Julian and propose same questions it will be well worth it. He hangs out at the outdoor forum.
Good luck I hope all goes well and there are plenty more forums on ICmag to visit and research before you move on to the actual grow but you are on the road to success.
PEACE

 

[White]

Good luck brother. You and I are in almost the same boat (my City is a bit larger, that's all). I think this has been a thread with some great advice so far, thanks to all who've posted.

I would just like to stress the point that this is a War. The government has declared war on us as growers/users and until I receive different Orders, I'm gonna treat this as a fucking war.

Some people have their "Oh Shit Plan." I suggest that we live with the Mentality of never being caught. We'll win if we first have the Mentality and second, have a detailed Plan and sticking to it, as indicapimp so rightly stated.

The guys with more experience have covered a lot already, I just wanted to throw my 2 cent in. Stay up and stay safe man.

Peace,
White

 

[Ajunta Pall]

To me the question is how do you plan on keeping people from becoming suspicious about the other bedroom. If your friends know that your house is 2 bedrooms, can you be sure one of them won't ask to move in, even if only temporary. Or if you do have a girl around regularly, won't she wonder about the frobidden room? Or for that matter a pesky landlord.

Having a bedroom locked up when you live alone seems kind of strange in and of itself. Especially if you can't lie to your friends effectively enough to ease their suspicions

 

[hamstring]

Good luck brother. You and I are in almost the same boat (my City is a bit larger, that's all). I think this has been a thread with some great advice so far, thanks to all who've posted.

I would just like to stress the point that this is a War. The government has declared war on us as growers/users and until I receive different Orders, I'm gonna treat this as a fucking war.

Some people have their "Oh Shit Plan." I suggest that we live with the Mentality of never being caught. We'll win if we first have the Mentality and second, have a detailed Plan and sticking to it, as indicapimp so rightly stated.

The guys with more experience have covered a lot already, I just wanted to throw my 2 cent in. Stay up and stay safe man.

Peace,
White

^^^^^^^
Right on brother I promote you to E5 ,tec sergeant or second-class petty officer name your poison. It is a war and all is fair in love and war.
PEACE

 

[cosmoline]

NiteTiger, IndicaPimp: Thanks for the solid advice dudes

hamstring: Look at the SE's location in regards to BC and states with medical programs and you got your answer. Shitty Mexican mids and mafi beast dont count. Plus the bible belt has shitty drug laws


Some of you guys imply that Im gona be having parties in my grow house. I am not a fucking idiot, I understand that I need to keep people away from the locked door that leads to my ass in jail. If I didn't have a hat full of excuses and a plan for most situations then I wouldn't try and swing this. Anyway, I am gona try to use the lifestyle change that comes with a living in a grow house to my advantage. Got a non-profit job, shitty pay but helps people and I enjoy it and it has serious perks, gona lock myself in my house and study more. People become recluses all the time.

I got a few o-shit plans, one involves a garbage disposal wired up and mounted above the toiled in the growroom. Worst case, cops at the door I lock myself in the room and try and liquefy a shitload of plants. Another plan I will get going after the 4th harvest or so, involves getting a place in the Yucatan.

 

[Ajunta Pall]

Its not that I think you're an idiot or are throwing wild parties, it's that what few people you would have over at your house are the ones you will need to lie to all of the time. It's the people you know well you'll have to dupe the most. All I asked if you were capable and comfortable enough to look a good friend in the eye and lie remorselessly to his face. Time and time and time again?

When it comes to my grow location, I tell no one what it is. I bring no one to it. It is my most deeply witheld secret. I know I'm paranoid, so I tell absolutely no one where I do my best work.

I mean if you don't wish to tell people you grow, then why risk it by bringing them into your grow location? Don't, that's my opinion at any rate. You'd do better securtiy wise if you started leeching off your friends for a time. Say veg through late flower. Invest in a good timer.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

I wouldnt have anyone over the house. You would be better off telling people you rent a room and the house owner is an ass/bitch, etc.

I cant smell a thing in my house and its a decent sized op. All is good right? I have someone come over and he tells me he can smell it when he walks in the front door. He knows about it so its OK. Point is I am immune to the smell.

Its not worth the risk of having people over.


Sounds to me like you are already trying to make excuses