I run pbp but use a booster from an thats discontinued( super bud blaster)and i find the booster to be no different than a beastie bloomz. High pk
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Unclecrash
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I just found where it says run it with ro water or no more than a 100ppm. So i mixed a litre of RO @ 1ml and 1ml and it phed @5.9
So I guess I will try the mix they reccomend @2ml which is 2ec and recomended for small plants and see if a decent plant cooks up LOL. Like you say money back Guarantee.
yeah id say the best tasting buds ive grown (with all things being equal but the nutes) pbp (botanicare) and biobizz have been the best tasting. its not so cut and dry because ive gotten great results using house and garden, cutting edge solutions, and other "chemmy" nutes whole lines and also use their base nutes with additives like budswell guano tea, hp2 (roots organics bat guano), nirvana by AN, terpinator, humboldt honey, trinity, bio heaven, green fuse, etc. not all at once of course or even in the same run, just an example of using different additives than the same line as the base nutes.
seems my local hydro stores carry a limited supply of AN and dosnt have the coco versions of the nutes. if i were to go with the regular nutes, calmag plus (botanicare) or cal mag xtra (AN) should compensate for it right? or do u still have to use calmag with the coco nutes?.. seems like the same product
also im a bit confused why the ph dosnt matter? no matter what chelates are in there, they arent available to the plant ate extreme ph's like the 4.5 mentioned. how does it get around that if it is indeed the way they work as ph "perfect". if it was a nutrient uptake solution why would they call it ph perfect instead of something eluding to how it allows plants to uptake nutrients that should be locked out, other than the ph being right around 6.0? thats one thing AN is good at doing, confusing the customer. i still dont understand why they have so many products that could easily be condensed into less and become more efficent and affordable.. more people would use their gear if it was more affordable right? thats why botanicare sells so well. very limited amount of additives and the prices are way cheaper than AN.
seems my local hydro stores carry a limited supply of AN and dosnt have the coco versions of the nutes. if i were to go with the regular nutes, calmag plus (botanicare) or cal mag xtra (AN) should compensate for it right? or do u still have to use calmag with the coco nutes?.. seems like the same product
also im a bit confused why the ph dosnt matter? no matter what chelates are in there, they arent available to the plant ate extreme ph's like the 4.5 mentioned. how does it get around that if it is indeed the way they work as ph "perfect". if it was a nutrient uptake solution why would they call it ph perfect instead of something eluding to how it allows plants to uptake nutrients that should be locked out, other than the ph being right around 6.0? thats one thing AN is good at doing, confusing the customer. i still dont understand why they have so many products that could easily be condensed into less and become more efficent and affordable.. more people would use their gear if it was more affordable right? thats why botanicare sells so well. very limited amount of additives and the prices are way cheaper than AN.
Unclecrash
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I just dont like how they claim it works on all water ph 4.5 to 8 and then see them do a test with a water source with 3 different ph values across the board. But what they forget to tell you is if its ro water is it tap water or well in the test , hell for all we know it could be ro water with no base!!! I damn straight know it does not move my well water to 5.8 like I have read others claim the coco specific nute will do. Im trying to find out right now if it will need calmg im using RO and I will tell you I have a sick plant thatwas locked out mag and the nutes @ half strenth are straightening her out pretty quick. Sure it did set all three of the test waters to exactly the same , and it puts my RO there @ 5.8 or 5.9 but it is creeping ,but shouldnt matter they say it will be good for five days in the zone. After AN Im going to try House and Garden Coco. I had it in my cart ,but changed my mine at the last minute.
i feel you there. i always stayed away because of all the hate and people telling me there are better nutes out there that work better for less cash, which is definitly true for the base nutes and at this point ive used about. that said ive ran hose and garden base nutes with an suplements, bud ignitor, big bud, nirvana, overdrive, sweet leaf when the made it now i use bud candy, and their carbo load.
is their cal mag xtra prettty much the same as botanicare cal mag plus. they both have iron as the plus or xtra but im not sure if they had other micro nutes. for some reason i want to say botanicare has more trace mineral or micro nutes. ill have to check out the bottle. i buy that stuff by the gallon and use 5 mlls a gallon no matter what i use except my organinc runs (i use g.o. camg+) with bio bizz (usually, sometimes gen organics or roots organic. my buddy owns a chain of hrdo stores up here and i get to try everything. i have a garage full of nothing but nutes, bulbs and containers , net pots tables and equip im not using at the moment. well thats not the only thing in there, lol! im just gonna go for it and grab some V and B a and b (im tempted to try their conniseur line but im not sure what the difference is between that and sensi veg and bloom, its supposed to be there professional nutrient) thanks for the advise everyone. oh one other thing, AN claims to be plant specific nutrients but nowhere is there a cannbis logo or statement that its for cannabis except for the non specific "cup winning nutrient" stickers, lmfao... kinda a wink wink "plant specific" id say most if not all the nutrient lines out today are for cannabis. at least the ones at the grow store. i suppose you could grow tomatoes with them and thats what they are for in non legal states. it will be legal nationally soon enough. dominoe theory in effect. cannabis revolution! free the herb! lol
is their cal mag xtra prettty much the same as botanicare cal mag plus. they both have iron as the plus or xtra but im not sure if they had other micro nutes. for some reason i want to say botanicare has more trace mineral or micro nutes. ill have to check out the bottle. i buy that stuff by the gallon and use 5 mlls a gallon no matter what i use except my organinc runs (i use g.o. camg+) with bio bizz (usually, sometimes gen organics or roots organic. my buddy owns a chain of hrdo stores up here and i get to try everything. i have a garage full of nothing but nutes, bulbs and containers , net pots tables and equip im not using at the moment. well thats not the only thing in there, lol! im just gonna go for it and grab some V and B a and b (im tempted to try their conniseur line but im not sure what the difference is between that and sensi veg and bloom, its supposed to be there professional nutrient) thanks for the advise everyone. oh one other thing, AN claims to be plant specific nutrients but nowhere is there a cannbis logo or statement that its for cannabis except for the non specific "cup winning nutrient" stickers, lmfao... kinda a wink wink "plant specific" id say most if not all the nutrient lines out today are for cannabis. at least the ones at the grow store. i suppose you could grow tomatoes with them and thats what they are for in non legal states. it will be legal nationally soon enough. dominoe theory in effect. cannabis revolution! free the herb! lol
Unclecrash
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Dont know on the cal mg all new to me. I just picked up the sensi bloom nutes for coco. I guess some are running this without the grow good way to save 27 bucks oh wait 27 grow a 27 grow b so 54 bucks just use the bloom and some extra's. I will see how it goes. Maybe a side by side to see which does better in veg . What I dont get is why there is more N in the bloom?
mango420
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Wow i cant believe people believe the hype of an. Their "ph perfect" is just more watered down with some additives vs regular base nutes. If you want to get real about growing buy a ph pen and ph up and down. Ph perfect, bud ign, kushy kush, bud factor x etc are all extremely overpriced hyped up crap. No real growers use this stuff, thats why they have all this crap in 1 litre bottles only because there trying to target the noob growers that dont know any better. Sure all those additives do a little something, but if your dialed in with your strain and environment you dont need any of this crap. Big bud, overdrive are decent but overpriced.
You gotta try it out first then make assumptions,I run coco sensi for a while now no additives other than some grotek silica mixing sensi at 2 ml per liter low PPM tap water and am very happy with it. AN base nutes are no more expensive than others and I don't use PH ,PPM pens just mix and feed simple and it works for me.Bud
Unclecrash
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iM not even going to coment to the other idiot. Like you say shut the fuck up until you have tryed it!!! I have seen first hand big BIG differences from using just there bases. Tired of chasing deffiencies with GH . I figured what do I got to loose. hell my Tahoe doubled size in five days so go figure. I really dont give a shit about the price just wanted to try a coco specific nute period! Then im going to try Hesi then House and Garden. And stop assuming stupid shit. I have a fuckin Blue Lab Gaurdian. What are you using test strips. I tell you when your in a hurry this shit is quick Im allready to the point where i hardly check ppm or the ph , I do it just out of fear I did my math wrong. Stop the hate shit AN never done me wrong and I really dont carwe of his past or about there shit is way over priced . it seems all the coco shit is pricey, but have heard Hesi is cheap . Or maybe its a jealousy thing , because you cant afford it, I DONT CARE PERIOD.
And then theres Jacks and Cal Nit I want to try. NOT trying AN for no other reason than to see first hand if one of the best nutes really makes that much difference. If it does then I may stick with it. Im not STUPID and am not buying into the (you have to use the whole line) no that will NEVER happen. Im running the sensi grow base and the sensi bloom base. Im going to compare both in a run to see if I want to use just the bloom all the way through or use the grow and the bloom.
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GuyManDude
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I've been running AN for years and love it. Yes it's expensive but you can get less expenisve sources. I order the additives through a hydro store in Cali for about 1/2 what most stores charge. Voodoo Juice for $56 a bottle shipped.
I will be trying the ph perfect coco sensi bloom soon. For now, I run the Jungle Juice 2 part (which is the old, pre-pH perfect Sensi Bloom A&B rebranded as Jungle Juice) Voodoo Juice, B52, Big Bud, Overdrive, I also add in Nirvana, Bud Factor X, and Bud Blood (at the appropriate times, of course) and throw in some Sugar Daddy and Oregonism
I have run Canna nutes and a variety of other systems and always got deficiencies of some sort. With AN, once my plants hit flower, it's off the races
I will be trying the ph perfect coco sensi bloom soon. For now, I run the Jungle Juice 2 part (which is the old, pre-pH perfect Sensi Bloom A&B rebranded as Jungle Juice) Voodoo Juice, B52, Big Bud, Overdrive, I also add in Nirvana, Bud Factor X, and Bud Blood (at the appropriate times, of course) and throw in some Sugar Daddy and Oregonism
I have run Canna nutes and a variety of other systems and always got deficiencies of some sort. With AN, once my plants hit flower, it's off the races
Unclecrash
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can you send a pm with who is the cheapist ? I am @ $27 for a $27 for b Been getting it out of Cali too and he ships pretty quick I usually see it in 3 or 4 days .
Unc CRASH just use the base coco sensi play around with ppms till you find sweet spot all you need to grow beautiful plants ,it rocks coco..
Bud
Unclecrash
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Cool thank's man!! Wondering are you drain to waste or dripfeed.
I've ran the same cuts from clone without the additives from AN and trust me I could tell a difference because my yield went down over 40%. I have multiple dialed in tents with Co2. Not using AN's core products such as Bug Ignite, Big Bud and Overdrive are very important. Unless you just don't care about yield but I know I do
. Funny people say their products are overpriced yet I can yield 10-25 pds from just 1 liter of each. 1 oz of that 10-25 pds pays for all of them nutrients. Bye bye watching for Ph or PPM 
Unclecrash
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Are you running the sensi coco bloom all the way through using the ignite, big bud, overdrive. Would like to hear more about how you run there products, not much info out there on AN nutes.
I read on there site about using one of the bundles at least with the bases for the best results, but figured I would see how i like the bases then next run start with the bundle and see how it goes.
Then I will know how big of a gain I see from just the bases to using bases and the bundle. Good to hear they add 40% gives me that much more reason to explore there products further.
I read on there site about using one of the bundles at least with the bases for the best results, but figured I would see how i like the bases then next run start with the bundle and see how it goes.
Then I will know how big of a gain I see from just the bases to using bases and the bundle. Good to hear they add 40% gives me that much more reason to explore there products further.
Why doesn't anyone just test their whole grand master lineup per their website like I have and my best friend for the last 5yrs. 5 soil grows per year per legally licensed house we have?
Then you will know if it's bomb for you or not.
He won't change. Am she's beat me in yield and resin and terpene production using same environment and strains for about 20-30 grows straight.
I have tried to beat his results every time and have only matched them when I run the ful grand master lineup in coco and soil.
So then I decided to try and find a better nute choice to see if I can beat his results. I've tried there so far and will comment on results below.
Heavy 16 with full Aptus lineup.
--- fantastic no complaints but didn't beat AN.
CANNA FULL LINE
-- I've tried this in coco (only 1 run) and soil about 15 grows in a row. About 9000w per grow and about 24-48 plants depending on size of them. Double ended Phillips ac/de hoods. 600-1200ppm co2 and good environment always.
MIX OF ORGANIC AND CANNA
-- best yielding by far!!!!
-- least best in quality but still good. But not top shelf.
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The only time I think I finally matched quality is this grow that ended this week!!!!!!! I'm stoked too. I used canna full line plus I added some Norwegian sea kelp, humic and fulvic. I got a little too much burning and nutrient lockout at day 40 so I only fed them water with 10-50% nutes after flushing 5gal of ph5.5 thru them each.
So even though they didn't get a full amount of nutes for the 41-63 days of flowering they still are top shelf!!!!!! I was very surprised. I also used boost and pk13:14 after flower sites appeared around day 10. I usually never start using it that early at full strength but I went for it even though peeps here bitch about boost big time. If they saw my yields and quality they would try it before knocking it.
But as far as AN goes, all you do is use their grand master lineup, follow their chart with 25-100ppm base water or preferably ro, and feed/water. Watch for tip burning and start back off around week 3-4 down to 50% nutes for a couple waterings. Then try 100% again until you need to reduce it down to 25-50% again. Then flush for 1 week and your gonna be soooo damn happy. Or you can go through 35 grows of trials like I did and another 55 grows like my buddy until you come up with your own recipe.
People complain about how much nutes cost and it blows my mind. If you get more bud and more resin and terpenes per plant. Then it's a mute point. Plus a lot of peeps I know donate or sell their weed for a shit Ton of money. Therefore they gain more on that end.
So I would say based on my regular horizontal grows and testing of 1000's of plants and getting between .6-1.25gpw depending on my test at the time, go with either a Canna mix setup like I did this grow to get AN like results , or just do one run of AN grand master. Don't skip a product. It's their by design.
I wish I could get my organic mix and canna mix to get as much resin as the last two. I couldn't believe the yields. But I only did it once with all same strains. I don't include my test strains in my controlled experiments.
I love this site and much we can learn from each other.
Then you will know if it's bomb for you or not.
He won't change. Am she's beat me in yield and resin and terpene production using same environment and strains for about 20-30 grows straight.
I have tried to beat his results every time and have only matched them when I run the ful grand master lineup in coco and soil.
So then I decided to try and find a better nute choice to see if I can beat his results. I've tried there so far and will comment on results below.
Heavy 16 with full Aptus lineup.
--- fantastic no complaints but didn't beat AN.
CANNA FULL LINE
-- I've tried this in coco (only 1 run) and soil about 15 grows in a row. About 9000w per grow and about 24-48 plants depending on size of them. Double ended Phillips ac/de hoods. 600-1200ppm co2 and good environment always.
MIX OF ORGANIC AND CANNA
-- best yielding by far!!!!
-- least best in quality but still good. But not top shelf.
Comments
The only time I think I finally matched quality is this grow that ended this week!!!!!!! I'm stoked too. I used canna full line plus I added some Norwegian sea kelp, humic and fulvic. I got a little too much burning and nutrient lockout at day 40 so I only fed them water with 10-50% nutes after flushing 5gal of ph5.5 thru them each.
So even though they didn't get a full amount of nutes for the 41-63 days of flowering they still are top shelf!!!!!! I was very surprised. I also used boost and pk13:14 after flower sites appeared around day 10. I usually never start using it that early at full strength but I went for it even though peeps here bitch about boost big time. If they saw my yields and quality they would try it before knocking it.
But as far as AN goes, all you do is use their grand master lineup, follow their chart with 25-100ppm base water or preferably ro, and feed/water. Watch for tip burning and start back off around week 3-4 down to 50% nutes for a couple waterings. Then try 100% again until you need to reduce it down to 25-50% again. Then flush for 1 week and your gonna be soooo damn happy. Or you can go through 35 grows of trials like I did and another 55 grows like my buddy until you come up with your own recipe.
People complain about how much nutes cost and it blows my mind. If you get more bud and more resin and terpenes per plant. Then it's a mute point. Plus a lot of peeps I know donate or sell their weed for a shit Ton of money. Therefore they gain more on that end.
So I would say based on my regular horizontal grows and testing of 1000's of plants and getting between .6-1.25gpw depending on my test at the time, go with either a Canna mix setup like I did this grow to get AN like results , or just do one run of AN grand master. Don't skip a product. It's their by design.
I wish I could get my organic mix and canna mix to get as much resin as the last two. I couldn't believe the yields. But I only did it once with all same strains. I don't include my test strains in my controlled experiments.
I love this site and much we can learn from each other.
Unclecrash
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Unclecrash
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Thank's for the insite. I dont have the extrs cash to pick up the grandmaster line at this time , but will try it when I get the extra cash. I have a few questions . So run the sensi bloom base with the grandmaster use all the products full strength, but lower the strength of the base after first three weeks so not to over fert them. Im @ this point in veg might of taken a bit too far. So Im doing a half strength mix for a couple feeds til I see it needs more nutes. Is that all I need is the 3 products in the grandmaster line plus base. Im running Coco, Do I need to pickup the calmg ? Or is there enough in the nutes? Im scared to run full strength especially on small clones as the ec was up by 2ec ,but like SC said they arre chelated and thought I read somewhere in icm about you cant go by the reading of ec because it will be elevated. But I just hit one of my six foot plants with full strenth bloom as it just wont keep green @ 1.2 to 1.4 feeding 8 times a day.
Damn I wrote you a long reply and clicked on the photo insert button and it deleted everything!!!! Well here's a brief of what I wrote.
I meant in flowering I watch around day 25-35 for burning and then either flush once and check my runoff ppm which isn't the best way but for sure an indicator because if your runoff is over 3000ppm I would keep running water thru until you get down to 1200-1500 max. Then watch new leaf tips over the next two weeks using 75-100% per their schedule.
I've used just part of anyone's groups of products because it seems like they are made to be used as a group for max benefit.
I meant in flowering I watch around day 25-35 for burning and then either flush once and check my runoff ppm which isn't the best way but for sure an indicator because if your runoff is over 3000ppm I would keep running water thru until you get down to 1200-1500 max. Then watch new leaf tips over the next two weeks using 75-100% per their schedule.
I've used just part of anyone's groups of products because it seems like they are made to be used as a group for max benefit.
