Advanced Nutrients is a horrible brand

[trugreens]

inside info?

inside info?

A.A.S was Fat mikes attempt to come out with a line that used the same formulas at the + program for commercial agriculture at a heavilt discounted price through cheaper packaging and running from their Cannabis specific line when they thought they didnt want to be pro pot while sponsoring weeds and Pineapple express. When AN was in serious financial trouble, this was plan B. I had almost used my recources to print the new catalog as I have done in the past before. that's how I got my formulas and rec's on the last 3 pages. just so you guys know I had to know how consistant batches were, and had to measure TDS per ML of all products that had an NPK or was a mineral salt fert in almost 10 different batches. every batch was significantly different. I had a bit to do with product development as well as marketing. it was no easy task. as a member of the mod team, it became so difficult to tell people how to use their product as every batch code was different.

wow...so, you're an insider, huh? thanks for letting everyone know what's up....wish i had the inside track..

i haven't had any troubles yet with AN, but i'm glad i found this thread. have to keep my eyes open for changes...so far, so good tho

 

[dominicangreen]

yeah bro dont buy them crapy nutes.i used AN 2 parts sensi with all additve and look what it did..i didnt want all this to happen..i'm very upset! i'm calling the company for a full refund

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

AN nutes arent all they are cracked up to be. My friend keeps running all AN because he got almost every AN nute at %50 off. He has horrible luck with it though. Everyone else I have seen use AN seems to have bad results.

Psycho Pirate: My friends bud always comes out looking like your lavender did. Despite looking "frosty" your plants looked stressed to the max and its the same with his. Even with a 2 week flush his bud burns horrible and sometimes burns like a fuse. You can actually see it crackle! If you light it once it will burn like a self lighting piece of charcoal for hookah. It also burns to a black clump. I have never seen too much difference with the results of AN.

Be weary if any nute company comes out with strain specific nutes! Have you seen that AN has nutes for "Kush" strains now? Even though OG kush isnt a real kush and thats probably what it is directed towards. Fucking tard noobs!

 

[Badgermonkey]

I just read a great article on cloning and it does wonders - I'll hit the highlights, I bet it makes you happy:

Get 16oz plastic beer cups, fill 1/3 with your medium (I use GH coir blocks, rinsed with Florakleen 1tsp/gal, then filtered water rinse 2x, drip dry until I can add buffer - 10ml/gal Canna Rhizotonic (Superthrive 1.2ml/gallon should be a good substitute and easier to find).

Cut a LONG clone (10-12") *I dip the scalpel into cloning gel, angle cut, stick in cup about 1/3 full of coir, then fill the cup - you can punch holes in the bottoms if you want to.)

The stems will absorb everything the plant needs like a root system would, but much less efficiently. This will soon change as roots will develop all along the buried stem.

Thats all, don't mist, don't put in a hood, just leave them under your light - 95% success!

Good luck!~

 

[psycho pirate]

AN nutes arent all they are cracked up to be. My friend keeps running all AN because he got almost every AN nute at %50 off. He has horrible luck with it though. Everyone else I have seen use AN seems to have bad results.

Psycho Pirate: My friends bud always comes out looking like your lavender did. Despite looking "frosty" your plants looked stressed to the max and its the same with his. Even with a 2 week flush his bud burns horrible and sometimes burns like a fuse. You can actually see it crackle! If you light it once it will burn like a self lighting piece of charcoal for hookah. It also burns to a black clump. I have never seen too much difference with the results of AN.

Be weary if any nute company comes out with strain specific nutes! Have you seen that AN has nutes for "Kush" strains now? Even though OG kush isnt a real kush and thats probably what it is directed towards. Fucking tard noobs!

Some Lavender phenos yellow up like that... If you look at the buds and the leaves they aren't burned at all just a nice bright yellow... I think the bud burns and smokes better when you get it nice and yellow like that before chop. Means the nutes are flushed out pretty well. Not to mention it's organic, and in my experience that smoke is smoother with a better taste.

To comment on AN coming out with strain specific nutes. They are one of the only major brands that actually tests their products on cannabis plants. That's how you can create amore complex nute programs specifically tailored to cannabis. Keep buying from GH and Botanicare, they openly frown upon any mention of their products being used with cannabis. The only one that is comparable is Dutch Master. And how do people keep saying AN ripped other companies off with the same products. The NPK ratios from AN are totally different than almost every other brand. Again the only other company to offer a similar product is Dutch Master. But whatever keep on using your tomato nutes to grow cannabis.

To dominicangreen: man i don't know how you can survive with all that bud. must be terrible

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Some Lavender phenos yellow up like that... If you look at the buds and the leaves they aren't burned at all just a nice bright yellow... I think the bud burns and smokes better when you get it nice and yellow like that before chop. Means the nutes are flushed out pretty well. Not to mention it's organic, and in my experience that smoke is smoother with a better taste.

To comment on AN coming out with strain specific nutes. They are one of the only major brands that actually tests their products on cannabis plants. That's how you can create amore complex nute programs specifically tailored to cannabis. Keep buying from GH and Botanicare, they openly frown upon any mention of their products being used with cannabis. The only one that is comparable is Dutch Master. And how do people keep saying AN ripped other companies off with the same products. The NPK ratios from AN are totally different than almost every other brand. Again the only other company to offer a similar product is Dutch Master. But whatever keep on using your tomato nutes to grow cannabis.

To dominicangreen: man i don't know how you can survive with all that bud. must be terrible

I have used GH and Botanicare with great results, but dont really like them. I just made the switch to Cutting Edge Solutions for my hydro. They are a great company and they even gave me a whole line of nutrients to try in one of my trays for free. The owner of the company will also email me back instantly whenever I have questions about their products. Like when I had to ask about the cause of the p.h. in the reservoir drifting from 4.5-6.8. Turns out it isnt a big deal at all. They are also sending me their full "organic" line for free. I could care less about that title though.

As far as soil goes I dont really believe in adding so called "organic" fertilizers like AN which seem just as chemy as mineral fertilizers, for an "organic" grow I believe you should use organic materials rather than fertilizers derived from organic sources.

Maxi says they make their fertilizers specifically for cannabis and they suck! Advanced Nutrients is great at marketing and have some good products in their line, but they arent all they are cracked up to be. Yellow leaves does mean a proper flush sometimes, but I have had solid purple leaves and had bud that tastes great all the way down to the pure white ash. Too each their own though. Some people will have great results with AN and some will have horrible results. There are just too many variables when it comes to fertilizers and growing methods.

 

[psycho pirate]

Your right some strains turn purple rather than yellow at the end of flowering... Sometimes you see them turning yellow and purple near the end of flower... The point is that you want to see a color change when you are flushing because that usually means you are doing it correctly... So long as the buds stay nice looking and are growing accordingly color change should not a problem... I always flush, organic or not.

And AN Iguana Juice is organic. Just have to smell the stuff to tell that (all fishy like). That's why I never really liked Botanicare. They claim to be organic, but when you smell their ferts its obviously chemical. Even though I use some of the Botanicare line (AquaShield, cal-mag sometimes, and Liquid Karma). AquaShield($20/qt.) is a great alternative to Voodoo Juice($80/L). I'm not running a full organic program anyways. I just like my base fert to be organic, if a few supplements aren't I'm OK with that.

 

[deepforest]

ITS TOTAL BS! Do you want to know who their scientists are? YOU!
They do not have a 100 light test lab. they have Remo, and they have people who pay for the stuff and use it. then they get the complaints. While most of the problem is user error, AN has not stepped up their efforts to make people better understand their program or even why their buying this product or that..

the main thing that makes me stay away from AN is that it takes damn near half an hour to mix a reservoir on their plus program cause your fuckin using about 20 different bottles

 

[deepforest]

ps. i cant believe theres never been a side by side comparison of two rooms, one with a popular nutrient like floranova and then vs the advanced nutrients + program to see if its really worth it

 

[skunktoker]

Nothing at all wrong with AN..I use and have used thier products for years mainly thier additives like big-bud and overdrive are a staple in my garden..have also used sensi-bloom
a-b and grow micro bloom with great results..many great nutes out there to choose from
I have found that if your dialed in on your growing and enviromental conditions that many
if not most will work to grow this great herb...just as many of them can burn or damage
your plants aswell If overdone or in to much excess IMO.....................ST

 

[psycho pirate]

Someone really needs to do a DM Gold vs AN Connoi. They both have good NPK ratios and I like the price of the DM Gold, but I hate the idea of having to break out my pH pen again.

 

[Cindy99]

Remo looks like Uncle Kenny.

 

[dominicangreen]

I'm haveing good yields with AN..will never use nothing else

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the NPK ratios dont really mean much right? It is all about the availability of the nutrients to the plants roots and how well the roots uptake the nutrients and disperse them throughout the plant I thought.

Homeboy is right, if you have your environmental controls down and everything about your room is tip top then it really doesnt matter what nutrient brand you give them. Just make sure you run the gamut of nutes that your plant needs and if you are doing organics make sure you have all your microbes.

And for homeboys cloning problem, dont use the rapid rooters! I have a very low success rate with those. I use rockwool cubes that were soaked in p.h. water for 24 hours. Then I use Rootech clone gel. Make sure the leads are at least 6 inches long(even though I have cloned 2 inch sprouts). I also use a humidity dome, but I only spray them with Olivia's once. I make sure the rockwool isnt incredibly wet also. I kind of think that when the medium is dryer then the plant tricks itself into developing roots faster so it can go deeper for nutrients. I dont remember the last time something hasnt rooted for me.

 

[HydroIndustry]

Dr. Ram Kaw

Dr. Ram Kaw

So nothing on Dr. Ram Kaw, eh? Anyone else heard of this esteemed botanist who now devotes his life to studying cannabis nutrients? Almost sounds like it's a made up name, like maybe someone who rides a Ram Air Kawasaki thought it up... I wonder what Mr. Higgins rides?

 

[johnnyla]

and you blame advanced nutrient brand for this? you think buying a certain brand will give you unbelievable clone success? i once heard "its a poor carpenter who blames his tools"......

lol. you don't need gel for successful clones, it just helps.

 

[Lazyman]

ps. i cant believe theres never been a side by side comparison of two rooms, one with a popular nutrient like floranova and then vs the advanced nutrients + program to see if its really worth it

You haven't searched, my 8kw grow I just finished did AN Sensi vs Technaflora Pura Vida organics. AN yielded better (by a little) and PVO smelled better (by a little.) The AN cost about 1/3 the PVO nutes too.

 

[eger]

AN nutes arent all they are cracked up to be. My friend keeps running all AN because he got almost every AN nute at %50 off. He has horrible luck with it though. Everyone else I have seen use AN seems to have bad results.

Psycho Pirate: My friends bud always comes out looking like your lavender did. Despite looking "frosty" your plants looked stressed to the max and its the same with his. Even with a 2 week flush his bud burns horrible and sometimes burns like a fuse. You can actually see it crackle! If you light it once it will burn like a self lighting piece of charcoal for hookah. It also burns to a black clump. I have never seen too much difference with the results of AN.

Be weary if any nute company comes out with strain specific nutes! Have you seen that AN has nutes for "Kush" strains now? Even though OG kush isnt a real kush and thats probably what it is directed towards. Fucking tard noobs!

Never seen too much difference with AN, well if you can notice a difference at all it sure did something, laugh ...

DiminicanGreen : Beautiful buds, sucks to see what AN can do. thats what a plant and its leaves look like when it is harvested or just before harvesting at peak ripeness, the fan leaves die, and thats how they look .. BongRip guess you never harvest at the right time.
One thing I have noticed from users and pictures is .. all the poeple using AN and have everything else dialed in are growing superb a plus quality crops, from size and appearance, sorry cant smell or taste it, and all these other super growers that claim AN is shit they show picsof their super plants but you can just see they dont have that BIG FAT ASS SUGARY BUDS like AN does .. sorry is so .. just open your eyes
if you cant grow it doesnt matter what nute you use, but ive noticed so called noobs getting far better results on first runs with AN. And these pros still having these problems that make them even lose crops, lol because of not dialed in? come on its not rocket science just do what the plants need, Mimic its environment, its not that hard .. hmmm maybe its the nutes and the dosages they recommend ..
Why do companies make orchid fertilizers, tomatoe fertilizer, squash fertilizer and even for lettuce . . why arent they the same?? marketing right?? lmao .. good guess because its a different plant. and AN is for cannabis .. wish i had my cam, my iphone wont do the justice.
AN is sticking up for the MEDICAL MARIJUANA COMMUNITY, could you guys chill and just use your nutes, we all know who gets a good crop or not, and i know half of the people that swear they grow big good crops are still evolving their grow space .
feeling feisty

 

[eger]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the NPK ratios dont really mean much right? It is all about the availability of the nutrients to the plants roots and how well the roots uptake the nutrients and disperse them throughout the plant I thought.

Homeboy is right, if you have your environmental controls down and everything about your room is tip top then it really doesnt matter what nutrient brand you give them.

1. the nutrients become soluble. together combined in water, then the roots absorb the water and that whats in it, as long as its water soluble, and as it flows through the plant it disperses in the plant in these exact ratios, so damn right it matters what the NPK ratio is. Why do you think the flush is so crucial?? most people think the plant sucks itself of nutes, yeah exactly right, and when you flush it your trying to get it to take in pure water for the last weeks which at first is still bringing plenty of waste back to the root system, until its taking in mainly water void of metals and salts
2. wrong, exactly then when everything is dialled in, even the feeding plan is when nutes really matter, but its a non ending arguement



i like all nutes, but when i grow cannabis im with AN or HESI, but AN i prefer because it is a difference, for me anyway
cant argue with different scenarious
peace -eger-

 

[laserbrn]

<reason I use AN>
I stared using Foxfarms organics and switched to AN about 3 years ago. I haven't seen any reason to switch again. The products always perform and while they may "stress" the plants (which I don't agree with), they sure do produce buds which is what I'm after.

So the first picture is my plants at the first day of flower, just entering the flower tent for the very first time. Second picture is of my "stressed" plants growing, and the rest are harvest pictures. Those were not trees, they were ALL grown under a single 600w HPS lamp. It was 6 or 7 plants (that was last grow, my current one is just about ready for harvest) in a 4x4 tent. Nothing fancy, no games were played, just grew them straight up. Haha, I still didn't count how many it was, but you get the idea. They flowered 8 weeks...

1) Day 1 in the tent. Certainly not monstrous are they?
2)Stressed Plant
3-4) Harvest/Results

</reason I use AN>