Ace Seeds Malawi...1st pure sativa grow

[Ramsthepharoah]

Transplant update!!

Transplant update!!

I'm sure they would appreciate it.

Soooo. I decided to transplant into a 3 gallon First to let the root system further develop and then transplant into a bigger pot. They are looking very green and healthy !! The first Malawi is bigger than the second with a broader leaf structure and smells slightly of spicy grapefruit. The second Malawi has a little bit thinner leaf structure and smells something reminiscent of subtle sage (that's the best way I can describe it). The 1st one is developing above soil much faster than the 2nd one. However; the thinner leaf slower growing plant has a more extensive root system. They're wrapping around the bottom of the solo cup. Very excited to see what happens next. They've both been transplanted and topped!! Let's see what they look like by Sunday!!

 

[Old Toker]

Your girls are look very healthy! Nice roots. 3 gallons for now.....what are you planning to finish with? How long of a veg?

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Thanks A Lot...

Thanks A Lot...

Your girls are look very healthy! Nice roots. 3 gallons for now.....what are you planning to finish with? How long of a veg?

Thanks a lot. As do yours. Yours leaf structure seem to be a bit thinner. I wish we could trade a few cuttings. I'm not sure exactly what I'll finish them in, but I'll probably veg them for at least another 2 weeks. I need to take cuttings I case they're keepers. How long will you veg for??

 

[Old Toker]

Yours leaf structure seem to be a bit thinner. I wish we could trade a few cuttings.

Unfortunately both the Feds and our state governments seem to have bad attitudes about our shared hobby. Some people do manage to trade/seeds/cuttings.....not sure how to do that safely.

My plan is to veg until the next pot (2 gal fabric) is thoroughly rooted and I'm able to feed once a day. When that happens I'll decide on topping/LST.....or perhaps au naturel with some. So......maybe 2-3 weeks.

Some observations so far: the Golden Tigers are both larger than the Malawis. The Zimadellicas are shorter but seem bushier. Panama Hazes are about the same size as the Malawis.

One of my PHs (the last to germinate) had some top leaves start to canoe after it's 2nd feeding in the 1 gal pots. None of the other strains or the other PH has this problem. After searching the forum for answers I'm convinced that no one knows why this occurs....although there seems to be a lot of opinions and guesses. My guess is that it's likely to be environmental and not feed. I had arranged the grow room differently the same day and the fan may have been blowing too strongly on this plant.....which developmentally was already a few days behind because it was the last to germ and be up-potted. Don't know for sure if that was the cause.....but after moving the fan.....she hasn't had any MORE canoeing. However the couple of leaves that had already canoed have not straightened out either. Not sure if they will or even should straighten.....but all the other leaves SEEM to be OK. Unless it gets worse.....I'm not going to worrry about it.

Regards.....another Old Toker

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Yeah. It'll change.

Yeah. It'll change.

Unfortunately both the Feds and our state governments seem to have bad attitudes about our shared hobby. Some people do manage to trade/seeds/cuttings.....not sure how to do that safely.

My plan is to veg until the next pot (2 gal fabric) is thoroughly rooted and I'm able to feed once a day. When that happens I'll decide on topping/LST.....or perhaps au naturel with some. So......maybe 2-3 weeks.

Some observations so far: the Golden Tigers are both larger than the Malawis. The Zimadellicas are shorter but seem bushier. Panama Hazes are about the same size as the Malawis.

One of my PHs (the last to germinate) had some top leaves start to canoe after it's 2nd feeding in the 1 gal pots. None of the other strains or the other PH has this problem. After searching the forum for answers I'm convinced that no one knows why this occurs....although there seems to be a lot of opinions and guesses. My guess is that it's likely to be environmental and not feed. I had arranged the grow room differently the same day and the fan may have been blowing too strongly on this plant.....which developmentally was already a few days behind because it was the last to germ and be up-potted. Don't know for sure if that was the cause.....but after moving the fan.....she hasn't had any MORE canoeing. However the couple of leaves that had already canoed have not straightened out either. Not sure if they will or even should straighten.....but all the other leaves SEEM to be OK. Unless it gets worse.....I'm not going to worrry about it.

Regards.....another Old Toker

Yeah these are idiotic laws that are currently in place. Especially in the south where we are. The "WAR" on drug was a complete failure and reganomics completely destroyed entire communities!! The world is becoming a different place though and this country is starting to realize the immense potential of this sacred plant!! I look forward to the day we can grow massive trees in our backyards. I also agree with the canoeing being the fan. My re-veg plants canoed in the beginning until I moved them from the direct path of the fan and they've grown without issue since then. The ones that conked initially never did unroll though, so I definitely think that's the issue because we had that in common. I would definitely love to see what the others look like as well. Maybe post a few pics of the zamaldelica, Panama and GT. Thanks in advance!!

-Pharoah

P.S.

Are they giving off any fragrance yet??

 

[Old Toker]

Are they giving off any fragrance yet??

Oh yahhh!!! During a cold spell we had a few days ago I turned off the exhaust fan overnight to try and hold some heat in....6am my wife (getting ready for work) wakes me up to tell me she was in the garage and could smell the plants. I am now leaving the fan on 24/7.

Glad that we agree on the (hopefully) cause of my PH canoeing a few leaves. I'm also relieved to hear that your plants leaves never un-curled. As long as I know that and I don't have any MORE canoeing leaves.....I'll assume the problem has been solved.....hopefully.

I think the canopy on my plants is starting to get too big for the veg light. Thinking about arranging them vertically around the 860w tomorrow. I've read a few posts that suggests acclimating your vegging plants to a vertical bulb is helpful.....if you're going to grow vertically through flowering. They are also due a feeding so it might be a good time. Once I accomplish this I'll try to get you some pics. The photos should turn out better under a CDM than LED.

Regards...another Old Toker

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Let me know.

Let me know.

Oh yahhh!!! During a cold spell we had a few days ago I turned off the exhaust fan overnight to try and hold some heat in....6am my wife (getting ready for work) wakes me up to tell me she was in the garage and could smell the plants. I am now leaving the fan on 24/7.

Glad that we agree on the (hopefully) cause of my PH canoeing a few leaves. I'm also relieved to hear that your plants leaves never un-curled. As long as I know that and I don't have any MORE canoeing leaves.....I'll assume the problem has been solved.....hopefully.

I think the canopy on my plants is starting to get too big for the veg light. Thinking about arranging them vertically around the 860w tomorrow. I've read a few posts that suggests acclimating your vegging plants to a vertical bulb is helpful.....if you're going to grow vertically through flowering. They are also due a feeding so it might be a good time. Once I accomplish this I'll try to get you some pics. The photos should turn out better under a CDM than LED.

Regards...another Old Toker

Let me know how the vertical set up works out. I've never tried it before. What's the advantage of flowering vertically?? I smell mine as soon as I get into the garage, especially during flower. I can't smell them outside though.

 

[Old Toker]

I can't smell them outside though.

Thankfully!
There are numerous benefits to vertical growing. Instead of trying to list and explain them all (which I'd probably screw up)....here is a link that might help:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=127881
One of the reasons I chose it was because it allows me to use the entire 80" of my grow space height. I like sativas so available height is important. I also think it helps to maximize the power/light available. Guess we'll find out together during this Malawi grow whether it's helpful.

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Air cooled

Air cooled

Thanks for the info. Is is air cooled and if not. How do you control the temp??

 

[Old Toker]

I've seen posts where people have rigged up cool tubes and run the light vertically in those. Not sure how they rigged it.....but you know the people on this site....if there is a way to do it....someone will.
I think most people (including me) just bare bulb it. Put a fan underneath (am using the 15" Honeywell HT-908) pointing up towards the bulb and blow the hot air up.....and away from the plants. Exhaust fan will suck the heat out from the top and filter it. Cool the temps by drawing in cool air. I have an A/C in my lung room along with a variable controller on my 8" exhaust fan/filter. I'll adjust the air flow (exhaust) until I get the temps to what I want. 8" fan is over sized for our tents.....but am hoping with enough air flow and cool enough lung room intake air that I'll be able to control the temps. You have a ring side seat for this effort so you will know how well it works shortly after I do.

 

[Old Toker]

Managed to feed them and switch the tent over to a vertical arrangement. So far haven't had any trouble keeping temps under control. Humidity is another matter. I have a basic room humidifier in the tent and that worked well with the LED. Not so much with the 860w. Between the heat from the bulb, the increased (aprox 20%) air flow through the tent, and the AC...I'm around 60%RH. According to my phone the current humidity outside is 46%. Fortunately I live in the SE and the outside humidity is usually high. So between now and flowering, I'll just keep the temps under control and count on some help from the plants and mother nature.
Quick pic I took of the new arrangement.
OMG!!! The picture came out correctly.

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Yessir.

Yessir.

I've seen posts where people have rigged up cool tubes and run the light vertically in those. Not sure how they rigged it.....but you know the people on this site....if there is a way to do it....someone will.
I think most people (including me) just bare bulb it. Put a fan underneath (am using the 15" Honeywell HT-908) pointing up towards the bulb and blow the hot air up.....and away from the plants. Exhaust fan will suck the heat out from the top and filter it. Cool the temps by drawing in cool air. I have an A/C in my lung room along with a variable controller on my 8" exhaust fan/filter. I'll adjust the air flow (exhaust) until I get the temps to what I want. 8" fan is over sized for our tents.....but am hoping with enough air flow and cool enough lung room intake air that I'll be able to control the temps. You have a ring side seat for this effort so you will know how well it works shortly after I do.

The thread was interesting on vertical setups. Seems like it maximizes light depth and helps maximize the potential of the bulb. I'll definitely be watching. I decided to build an cloner. It'll save me a 1 or 2 hundred bucks. The aero clients they have on the market now are ridiculously expensive. It's time to take cuttings so I need to finish this by this coming Wednesday.

 

[Old Toker]

I decided to build an cloner.

Is it just a matter of cutting some holes in the lid of a tote and adding a bubbler?

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Sort of.

Sort of.

Is it just a matter of cutting some holes in the lid of a tote and adding a bubbler?

Your plants look great around the verticals setup. Which strains are which?? As far as the aero cloner goes. You basically drill the holes, put in the 2inch net pots withy the bottoms cut off with foam collars inside to hold the clones in place. Also get a 296 gallon water pump attached to pvc with holes drill and stayers screwed in. The sprayers mist the plant roots.

 

[Old Toker]

Which strains are which?

If you look closely you can see most of the stakes in the coco.
Red=Malawi
Blue=Panama Haze
Green=Zimadelica
Yellow=Golden Tiger

As far as the aero cloner goes.

Sounds a little more complicated than I thought. With all the stuff I still need to do with this grow......I think I'll hold off on attempting cloning until some future grow. Good luck with the project! Have you ever cloned before?

BTW - when I was taking the girls out of the tent for feeding......I spent some time really smelling each one. Six have a very mild or no scent whatsoever (according to my uneducated nose). Two had very strong scents......both of the Malawis.

 

[cravin morehead]

just wanted to say this is a great thread. I'm following along because I got a bunch of Ace genetics in my fridge and their turns are coming up soon. keep up the good work guys.
hey there Old Toker

cm

 

[Old Toker]

hey there Old Toker

cm

Hey there CM!
Thanks for stopping by. Hopefully you can laugh at our (my) mistakes and eventually see some great Ace sativa bud porn. Hopefully.....eventually...

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Cool. Thanks.

Cool. Thanks.

If you look closely you can see most of the stakes in the coco.
Red=Malawi
Blue=Panama Haze
Green=Zimadelica
Yellow=Golden Tiger
Sounds a little more complicated than I thought. With all the stuff I still need to do with this grow......I think I'll hold off on attempting cloning until some future grow. Good luck with the project! Have you ever cloned before?

BTW - when I was taking the girls out of the tent for feeding......I spent some time really smelling each one. Six have a very mild or no scent whatsoever (according to my uneducated nose). Two had very strong scents......both of the Malawis.

Everything looks great and organized!! I wonder how strong those malawis are going to get?? Yes I currently have a few clones that have already rooted where cuttings were put directly in soil with rooting powder. I lost one and one isn't looking as good as it would in an aero cloner. It takes a little longer to root as well. I currently have 5 that are fully rooted and are vegging very well. 2 of them are big and will be taking cuttings after I finish building the cloner. My pump, sprayers, and collars will arrive at my doorstep this evening, so I should be finished by the morning.

 

[Ramsthepharoah]

Thanks and welcome!!

Thanks and welcome!!

just wanted to say this is a great thread. I'm following along because I got a bunch of Ace genetics in my fridge and their turns are coming up soon. keep up the good work guys.
hey there Old Toker

cm

Thank you and welcome the Malawi party!! Hopefully we gain some very important insight into this wonder world of sativas, but more importantly some wonderful medicine!!

 

[Old Toker]

I'll look forward to seeing the finished cloner project.
Do you anticipate growing mostly clones in the future.....or more of a mix?