Ace Malawi concerning mother choice

[Imsostonedagain]

Recently received some malawi and just took clones. I realize that most sativas greatly benefit from a longer cure than typical indicas. My sweet tooth actually tastes best as soon as it's dry with no curing. Over time it loses the great taste and morphs into a generic weed taste. I'm concerned I will choose a new mother based on a 1 week smoke test and throw away the one that is best after a 6 month cure.
As far as potency is concerned, is it likely the most potent mom I find after its dry likely to be the most potent after a 6 month cure? I'm in a non med state and high numbers are a major problem for me so I can't really keep 3 or 4 moms of malawi to see which one has the best smoke after a 6 month cure. I'm hoping whichever one is best after its dry is also the best after a long cure. I realize that I may not choose the one that tastes best after a long cure by choosing purely on potency without curing but I don't want to miss out on the "killer" malawi mom. Any one have any input?

 

[idiit]

I'm concerned I will choose a new mother based on a 1 week smoke test and throw away the one that is best after a 6 month cure.

^ my concern as well including golden tiger.

my ace pretty frosty Malawi/soa Malawi hybrid got quite a bit better after 6 month cure.

me thinks you can go for a super frosty ace Malawi, keep cuts and feel pretty confident that the time and patience will pay off. once you got her you got her and the gain will be worth the pain ( keeping cuts of different females for the 6th month cure results). then you are good to go as long as you keep the cuts. s1's would make sense after identifying the grail ace Malawi cut.

dubi says go for the frosty gal for the frosty killer mum. this is the one I want. I had a pretty frosty cut that was good but not epic like I feel the true frosty killer mum can be.

 

[Imsostonedagain]

I am just concerned that I will have 3 ladies that are very similer with 1 being a tad better a week after chop. I toss all but the special lady and then wonder how the others would have been after 6 months of curing. Really wish I could keep them all and wait until they have cured for months before deciding but that is just not an option. Guess I will just look for the frostiest and hope it's also the most potent at chop.

 

[Imsostonedagain]

How about a bump.. was kind of hoping Dubi or Tangwena would chime in. Thank you for chiming in idiit.
Plants have been in flower about a week now and I REALLY want to find the best representation possible.

 

[idiit]

dubi almost always replies if it's an ace thread.

I would try tangwena's cob cure on some. i'm getting ready to do the cob cure on some soa Malawi.

 

[amanda88]

We all have to go thru this dilemma, either move to a location (Col) that offers you the room space and legality to allow you to grow in peace and quiet, as it times like this that growers make that choice ..good luck either way

 

[Tangwena]

Hi just saw this thread, cant help I did the same with my GT I didn't think much of it post harvest and gave most away, now 9 months later I cant get enough of it, one of the best all round highs I have had.
I am currently growing some more but it may not be the same pheno, I have the same problem as you I cant keep multiple mums or clones so I just have to make sure I dont give any away this time.
With the Malawis I have only grown one Ace malawi and I took her too early so I will learn slowly from my mistakes. I dont think you should worry to much as they all sound good in one way or another.
I just get new fem seeds each time and take a lucky dip there is so much in Aces list I dont think I will miss out to much. Anyway best of luck whatever you choose to do, how about some pictures they speak a thousand words.
Tangwena

 

[Imsostonedagain]

Would love to do pics and maybe a grow journal sometime. Unfortunately, I live in one of the most unfriendly states in the US when it comes to herb. Don't have Internet at the moment other than a cell phone so I'm too paranoid to post pics but hopefully one day it's legal and I will post MUCH more than I do now. Been a member for many years but rarely post.

 

[Tangwena]

I'm in the same boat over here over 1kg and they try to take your house nice isn't it.
Tangwena

 

[MadMac]

high,
well you can identify the plants by smell...
woody & oily is old & new killer Malawi the most powerful weed i have met...
mandarine & carrots or flowers are not so powerful but more delicious...
purple malawi... a special one... also not so potent than killer but nice to see ;-)
so to answer your question... keep woody & oily and your are fine!
M.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Recently received some malawi and just took clones. I realize that most sativas greatly benefit from a longer cure than typical indicas. My sweet tooth actually tastes best as soon as it's dry with no curing. Over time it loses the great taste and morphs into a generic weed taste. I'm concerned I will choose a new mother based on a 1 week smoke test and throw away the one that is best after a 6 month cure.
As far as potency is concerned, is it likely the most potent mom I find after its dry likely to be the most potent after a 6 month cure? I'm in a non med state and high numbers are a major problem for me so I can't really keep 3 or 4 moms of malawi to see which one has the best smoke after a 6 month cure. I'm hoping whichever one is best after its dry is also the best after a long cure. I realize that I may not choose the one that tastes best after a long cure by choosing purely on potency without curing but I don't want to miss out on the "killer" malawi mom. Any one have any input?

This is very similar to my experiences, Indica/Indica Dom strains don't seem to benefit much from a cure IMO, properly flushed coco grown weed, dried properly in one go is great to smoke straight away, curing makes it a bit smoother, but the taste and smell is just lesser.... but Sativa's gain something. My Golden Tiger, Malawi, Panama, Choco Chiba, Kali Mist etc plants were all great fresh, but I let them really mature properly, but the scraggly bits just got left in bags for later extraction. Months or years later, this "rubbish" had somehow improved significantly IMO, seat of the pants opinion with zero scientific basis. What I have miserably failed to do is actually keep some primo top bud and see if it passes to killer mode, or just gets smoother.

 

[Tangwena]

CC that is so true my GT is officially the best I have had outside Africa, its 9 months cured and so strong I take more each time and reach higher each time I dont think I would need a weed any stronger.
But after one month cure it was so heavy that I gave most of it away! Now its super trippy.
Sativas improve with age I dont need any scientific data to know when I am peaking ha ha.
Tangwena

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

CC that is so true my GT is officially the best I have had outside Africa, its 9 months cured and so strong I take more each time and reach higher each time I dont think I would need a weed any stronger.
But after one month cure it was so heavy that I gave most of it away! Now its super trippy.
Sativas improve with ageI dont need any scientific data to know when I am peaking ha ha.
Tangwena

Sitting here laughing out loud, yes, GT gets you sooooo high that you just know...

I genuinely cannot actually imagine Golden Tiger top bud improved by the margin that the seat of my pants said the schwag did. Duration too, 4 hours, makes Indica / dom fruity types look like!e kiddie weed in comparison

 

[idiit]

CC that is so true my GT is officially the best I have had outside Africa, its 9 months cured and so strong I take more each time and reach higher each time I dont think I would need a weed any stronger.
But after one month cure it was so heavy that I gave most of it away! Now its super trippy.
Sativas improve with age I dont need any scientific data to know when I am peaking ha ha.
Tangwena

why it makes it so difficult to isolate the keeper clone mother.

some ace malawis have different taste terps as well. some are fine and some only for personal smoke. the commercial smoke market is huge on taste.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Yes idiit, many have commented how good sativas do not appeal to many in the bag, commercially. At least half the market just wants cheap, stinky glittering indica, and never look or see beyond the end of their noses, sad to say.

But, you also touch the real meat of the conversation here, how to select the best plant, bearing in mind the gains from a long cure. You, and others (with more patience, less greed than me) who have kept sativas and fully cured them, have you ever noticed any lesser candidates overtake the winners in the fresh bud test, hare and tortoise style ?? Or do all gain in an even manner, meaning that you can select based on dry uncured bud ?

 

[idiit]

^^ until you know a landrace strain strain it's hazardous to cop an attitude based on uncured bud.

I ran cbg's Ghana and gave it a mediocre rating. after 5 months cure it was good smoke, after 7 month very good:

been talking to a few contacts and a couple of them have remarked that their landrace that they didn't think much of was now smoking pretty good. the sativas came in around middle-late november these parts. so, we are at 7 months since bud got chopped.

i immediately thought of ghana. i smoked her for my last smoke report 4/08/14 post #82, page 6 of this thread. it's now a couple of months later. i've smoked her the last two nights.

gahana was ok last time. now it's pretty damn good. excellent taste. spicy african, not latin/south american style spicy. not indonesian type spicy. not kush/nepalese/etc. type spicy. african spicy and very interesting and really excellent taste wise.


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It was very dark, black, brown and dark green. Many coarse powder, no bud. The taste and smell are hard to describe. It's not fruity, it's dark, wild, spicy, a little peppermint, burnt, hair and a strong hashis taste in you mouth... a real flavor of Africa is nothing like the hybrid Dutch! One of my favorite smoke ...

flyinglion

^^ yes! very much so.

the potency is much stronger imo. one bowl is very satisfying and good long duration. the high is a quality high. i'm not getting the vibe that flyinglion got off his smoke but it's a good high and quality smoke.

going from 5 month after chop to 7 month after chop has made a big difference imo. i have a strain tester who is pretty good at smoke appraisals and i'm going to give her a quarter oz. and let her take her time and give me her appraisal.

i'll keep my report updated in a few.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=257703&page=8

it's not my strong discipline that allows me to cure landrace sativas for extended duration; it's the lack of demand from customers.

the bag appeal strains get gone first.

extremely good landrace sativas go last and for cheap$.

kaiki recently got back from Bogota Colombia visiting red rider. kaiki got a real taste of "demand drives supply" re the crippy sativa/indica hybrids. it's hard to source anything but crippy weed down there because there is very little demand for anything but the chunky, colorful crippy and the very much in demand indoor grown adam strains.

growers can't afford to take the risks for the meager prices and poor demand for traditional landrace sativas.

redrider is trying to change that but he needs to survive and the customer is always right, even when they are wrong.

 

[Tangwena]

Thank god there are people who go it alone and dont care about fashion. The only thing I care about is the end result (high). I dont think good sativas will ever be lost, they may change a little but they have been doing that since time began. As long as the change is an improvement its all good.
Tangwena

 

[Imsostonedagain]

Yes idiit, many have commented how good sativas do not appeal to many in the bag, commercially. At least half the market just wants cheap, stinky glittering indica, and never look or see beyond the end of their noses, sad to say.

But, you also touch the real meat of the conversation here, how to select the best plant, bearing in mind the gains from a long cure. You, and others (with more patience, less greed than me) who have kept sativas and fully cured them, have you ever noticed any lesser candidates overtake the winners in the fresh bud test, hare and tortoise style ?? Or do all gain in an even manner, meaning that you can select based on dry uncured bud ?

This is exactly what I'm asking. I couldn't have asked it better. The tortoise and the hare is a perfect analogy. Or do they all gain in an even mannor?. Thank you, that was what I couldn't adequately figure out how to ask.

 

[jay sus]

BAG APPEAL IS FOR TOURISTS. PICKING UP GOOD BUD IS MULTI-SENSORY PROCESS. I TRUST MORE MY NOSE THAN EYES ANYWAYS

 

[idiit]

BAG APPEAL IS FOR TOURISTS.

^ exactly. there are two categorys; personal smoke, commercial strain.

try selling ugly grail puff.

for personal smoke I love ace Malawi hybrids and I really want the frosty mum for breeding.

there are different ace Malawi phenos; some taste a little rude some taste fine/good.

some are fast, some late flowering.

some have complex narcotic high effects, some more energetic. high effects and potency can change dramatically over the cure time.