A5 & C5, Old school hazes

[Herbalistic]

Hola!!!

Moppel: I dont know much abot lambs bread,but i Think that there has been/(is) strain called lambsbread. It was & is also common word to describe quality erb in Jamaica, so... But if talking the real deal sativa Lambsbread then yeah, I think we can call it oldschool strain :joint

Here´s some landrace sativa, Rojo or Mono rojo from the mountains of Peru:

 

[Farmer John]

Hmm, makes me wanna pop some of my vintage Peruvian seeds.

 

[Moppel]

sorry , MacHaze

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Moppel Lambsbred is simply a definition of better quality, seeded bud from the generally wild growing Sativas on the Island.

In Jamaica, the Sinsemilla (non-seeded bud) is concidered superior to Lambsbred.

 

[Moppel]

has anyone ever seen hash made from A5 or C5?

 

[Alex-F]

Hmm, makes me wanna pop some of my vintage Peruvian seeds.

My thoughts exactly. Got some Banghi x Angola Roja waiting for me to be brave enough.

 

[Farmer John]

Think that they'll go outdoors with a cuppa hundred kashmir seeds...

 

[Herbalistic]

Hola!!!

Farmer John: Do you have any info what strain / what is the area of those beans. I think they do great while outdoors, especially if I remember right that you were talking something about barn? I tried to ask you at some other thread about those Kashmir beans that are they sativa? One more thing about these oldstrains that some people say take forever to finish is that they are above average producers. Example, pure Haze growed outdoors can yield superior.

Machaze, sorry for all these offtopic post´s.

 

[MacHaze]

I have no problem with this take-over

Lambsbread used to be a landrace, and I think to know that Moppel received some beans of it, but it is nowhere to be found anymore in Jamaica, I've heard.

Growing hazes outside ... maybe I will try this out this summer, but in a greenhouse and with reducing the light hours manualy, because with the Dutch weather, it is tricky to do.

Those A5 & C5, they are realy very different from the other Sativa's I have grown before like the SSH, Kalimist or Original Haze... The leaves are gigantic, bigger than my hand, and they like very high Ec...

As I was told they were more tricky then a "regular" haze, I've used the blue (400w metal halide) to keep them large and short. Also it has been told to me that it is the best way to grow hydro as with earth the N can not be reduced enough to the values required... but as a non believer, I will test that out very soon.

Cheers,
MacHaze

p.s. for the people who had the pleasure to smoke Barney's Willie Nelson at the cup when it won, that was the C5

 

[MacHaze]

Last week-end, I received a phone call from the old guy, if I want to see his babies in the last week of flush...

So yesterday, I went there with not so much expectation but

I had a nice cup of coffee (always need one) and he showed me some nice buds of the Mexican Haze ( Mexican Sativa x A5 ), and the smell was deep, some carrot/mango with a strong haze taste. Rolling the joint was a pleasure, smoking it was a highway to heaven...

Then we entered his growroom with giant trees, they are like 1,8-2m high, even measurements are written on the walls, so it was easy to know... The buds are so big, never saw that in my whole growing live, not even with thousands of watts and he uses 600w per square meters, with his lights about 1m higher than his plants... I had to squeeze some very hard buds, not fluffy at all, and some nice smells came out... The top buds are like giant 1m buds with about 30 cm diameter... Each plant was easely 200/300gr depending the strain, and with 4 on a square meter...

He couldn't let me take a picture of his growing room, but he aggreed to pose next to each strain when ready to cut... so you see why I am so ammesed

And yeah, that Mexican Haze, I received some from him, smoking it wright now, and flying high...

Cheers,
MacHaze

 

[Moppel]

Man, you made me jalous. I want those too now.....

 

[Farmer John]

Thats exactly what I have been sayin about the oldskool hazes for years now, and those that say that their potency dont reach the level that modern starins are today is WRONG terribly wrong, sorry all Sourdeez and Chemdawg and elitepelitelovers but nothing I mean nothing hits like a good haze, you have to find one and when you find it you never let go, but to each is own, again I started my praise haze speech lmao...

That isnt the best example of a pure haze it is oldskool OHxSk#1 from Sam Skunkman and it was in a 7L pot with many plants under one 600w, when they are all OHxSk#1, well, you get the point, they get HUGE...that pic is halfway flowering if my memory serves me right and really not the best example but something like that happens, heres a NH pic, both these were grown from seed more or less 12/12 from the start, now we tend to keep it 11/13


Very early in flowering.

 

[Core]

well maybe i'm a stonehead but that sound like a nice evening out lol...
i like a sativa now and then...but i'm shure i'l get 2 grow 1 if i got the time and space...
never grew 'm before and it woz so damn expensive when i had 2 buy ...i'm realy not that long at it..that would be it i guess ....Nhows ..real soon i'm sure of that....:wink:

ohw en het was echt tof om u te ontmoeten en Moppel ook Natuurlijk...!

 

[zeno]

nice work you got there machaze....you realy have.
a few things.. i have all the haze also and know the old guy,well he is 37 years old lol.
and another thing: the diesel pheno is gone .(also by me and the old guy)
and you said about the willie it was c5?no my friend cg13 is closer by.(believe me i know)
and personaly i think its was not youre thing to put that on i net,you give the [old]guy and the shop a bad name in a dam by this kind of speaking.
sorry for the things i said,but a forum is there for the thruth i guess.
anyway ,nice to see some oldscool haze here ,good job with youre crob.
i hope you get also 1.5 gram a watt

the trick is to lower youre n in the 8th week of flowering.every week with 25% only with this formula you can get a bud as hard like a stone.
and the old guy makes that nutes for you people (if you want)
pm me and maybe i can send some.
greets zeno(aka freakje).

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Are these pics the Haze monsters from the "old guy" (37? I'm older than the "old guy!" What does that make me?) zeno?

And is it 2 g, 1.7 or 1.5 g per watt? The yield seems to be decreasing...

 

[MacHaze]

@ zeno aka freakje: I know you know the old guy as some of us do, but not all the information you gave is correct:

The A5 Diesel pheno isn't gone, it is only the CG13 that is gone forever, all the other strains are still available like the A5 Mango - C5 - HPH and I hope the AG13, as I know they have got some problems with it to root, I think.

Second of all, you can read on several (dutch)forums that the "old" guy has posted it himself from the Willie Nelson, and yes, I believe I have read also the CG13 as the substitute, but was told it was the C5 two days ago AGAIN. And I am not giving them, Barney's and the "old" man some bad reputation as we are talking about the best weed arround, and both has those in house....

His nutes that he is using since many years, is really good and it will be brought on the market ...

And no, he is not so old in age, but he is growing like more than twenty years and I didn't know who to call him, but he will be joining icmag in a shortwhile, and he is aware and reads also this thread...

@ Rosy : as the old guy told me, it is very tricky to grow those sativa, and with the time and experience, you can have an average of 1,7gr per watt and I think the record was 2,2gr per watt with the C5. But for now, I am starting with those strains and nutes, so as a first timer I would not dream to get that yield, but I will try

Cheers,
MacHaze

 

[Farmer John]

"And is it 2 g, 1.7 or 1.5 g per watt? The yield seems to be decreasing..." Rosy its all about how you grow them, you can grow them well or fuck them up real bad and with the hints you see here (lower your N etcetc and we tend to use 11 light/13dark in flower) you get the yields to somewhere near 1.5 at least...

 

[Moppel]

nice work you got there machaze....you realy have.
a few things.. i have all the haze also and know the old guy,well he is 37 years old lol.

Man why you had to spoil the story, who cares if the "old guy" is old or not.....? I liked that story

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

MacHaze and Farmer John, I'm just kidding around. I don't care how much they yield. As long as you grow the bud you love to smoke, it's all that matters. I haven't weighted any of my crops in years...

But I'm interested in knowing more about the nutrients, and the "old guy's" grow method. You never stop learning.

 

[MacHaze]

@ Rosy:
It is basically two solutions you make from two powders. The first solution is like P & K in a very specific amount with some other stuff, the second solution is mainly N. The amount of powder has to be at 0,1gr correct.

As Zeno told and explained in the shedule, the amount of N will be decreased, starting in week 8 with 25% each week, but with having a higher amount of P & K instead to keep the same Ec values. So the last feeding is done only with P & K, then flushing untill it is ready...

I have tested it on other strains, but as you I never weighted my plants as I prefer to dry them complete with leaves and branches. The good thing is, that the bud structure is more compact, and hard solid, instead of being fluffy as it is mostly the case with hazes. The bag appeal is more tasty, and you have more weight on your buds.

This time, I will buy a scale to take the weight.

@ Core:
We had a great time, I am sure we will meet soon again. And I sure give you a sign when to taste those old school buds.

@ Farmer John:
I do also use the 11h/13h shedule from the start, but I do tend to lower the light hours to 8 at the end. Give them 24 or 24h darkness before harvesting them, give me also better results.

Cheers,
MacHaze