A trip to worms way out of state. Safe?

[pHrail]

I've ordered from WW for years and never had a problem. Yea, they send catalogs in the mail from time here and there, but shit I always like the catalogs. http://www.discount-hydro.com out of California is one of the best places to order from online, been dealing with them for years and years. If you have local shops though, support them, its always nice going in paying with cash, no one asks questions, you get your shit, and go home happy.

 

[Guest]

Right on!Support your local growshop as best you can,my growshop was started by some ex-wormsway employees lol

 

[CTcultivator]

Worms way jail time

Worms way jail time

Google search, worms way hightimes, youll see they rolled over before. The owner is a egotistical ahole. He has snitched in the past. They gave him a choice, tell us or you go down. He was talking to a customer about growing weed and that set it off. He will cooperate with no problems. Would he rather loose a customer or his Biz? Also look into operation greenthumb, not familiar? Well it goes like this, any hydro shop supplier who advertises in any weed magazine is subject to search and seizure, they then have to give up any records, like shipping info, quantity of purchases, and how often someone buys, and if you know the government like i think i do, i can only imagine what they can get someone to tell about. Not sure where anyone is from, but i know of 2 cool ass shops that wont snitch and dont keep any records

 

[Lilly456]

Question:Who fought the law and set the precedent for grow shops across America to sell their goods without harrassment and had most of the green merchant cases tossed out of court? If WW rolled on growers I would have been in jail 20 yrs ago......Sorry,

 

[CTcultivator]

worms way.

worms way.

UNIDENTIFIED EMPLOYEE—WORM'S WAY, BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA:
“Well, they came in here that Thursday and the owner, Martin Heydt, was alone. They came into the store, his home and into the basement of the store simultaneously. They had a subpeona which indicated that they could remove all business and employee records. While in the house, they searched Martin's daughter's room and dresser drawers. But no one was arrested. They just confiscated the records. Martin has a lawyer filing a petition to retrieve those records. We’re still open for business and plan to stay that way until they tell us that we can't.
“Some of our customers have even had visitors from the DEA, who asked whether they did business with Worm's Way and if they could look around. Some said yes, some said no.”



The DEA gets the info how? hmmmmmm
paranoia is a part of our world, i understand that. But records keeping? How do they find the customers not registered at worms way, simple, watch a store long enough and you will figure it out im sure. Also, its people like Worms Way who brought all the dea involvment in the first place, advertising in High Times etc, common sense must of slipped em. In fact the DEA even said they gathered the info on hydro suppliers from the magazine, they then watched stores and sent in "customers" to WW and other stores, the owners and employees then began talking about weed and how to grow it. They the raided stores and found info on growers etc. So basically the lack of common sense and talking up a storm in fact brought out the Dea. Snitching, fine maybe not. Creating an unsafe situation by talking up a storm and advertising in high times, without a doubt. Besides, does the Government ever go away, once they have your number and pull your card? Nope, they just get a little more sneaky.

I just think, for the issues no matter how far in the past, I stay away. Personal preference i guess. The " safety first factor". Investigations go on for a very long time, just because over so long you havent been raided doesnt mean your safe. Nowadays the gov puts together sting operations that take years to follow through on, kinda like the mafia. Then they hit and hit big. So if your ok with that, then by all means do whatever you please, shop where you will. But dont be foolish and think, its ok and your safe. I shop at various shops throughout the North East, and also grab stuff while im on the road traveling here and there. Again, security is my main priority, and its kinda like friends i had over the years, doing the grow thing, when they get into shit with the law, i let them go as friends. I feel the same about suppliers.

 

[Lilly456]

Going to have to admit, that doesn't look so good....when your wrong your wrong.....I did just do a fair bit of searching and could only find that those quotes are from green merchant in the early nineties, if you could find something more recent it would be nice, it was that story you just put up and Martins, fighting it and staying out of High Times that kept him out trouble and everybody else. I have five safe addys over the long years that rec'd considerable gear without a peep in the meantime, do you have anything more recent than 15yrs? Stiil I'm not arguing just looking. I've never had a problem with the place and I'm sure the same is true for many of us here, so old quotes won't cut it.To my knowledge WW has not been in High Times in many, many years.

 

[Lilly456]

I just searched the net up, I searched the net down and there is no information about this since the early 90's and Green Merchant.Those quotes are old and out of context.I find seaching the net distastefull, I still searched fairly deeply and found the same words in a 17 yr old document, like I said , arguing and searching the net to back up your argument is boring and apain in the ass but from my experience, and it has been a long one, WW does not roll on growers, they also market and sell to a considerable amount of the legit market on a wholesale level, I know they sell a whole lot of gear to all kinds of people , good and "bad".

 

[CTcultivator]

yeah i agree it is a bit older true indeed. I am just one of those people that refuses to play with fire ya know. Maybe i am overly paranoid, but the government never forgets, especially when you take them to court and make em out for fools. The only thing I have that is more current is a buddy story, i can try and find more. My buddy story goes like this, he went to ww, bought a boatload of crap like 3 years ago. Before that he did biz with random grow shops. He was pulled over, not arrested, but dam was he grilled and questioned, only good thing is he being a larger scale grower and also a pretty smart guy, he had his license to another addy. Heres the weird part, he is a standup guy, great dad and overall a great person. Randomly DCF showed up at his house, saying it was reported drug activity was going on blah blah blah. Nothing ever came of it, and honestly w were never sure whether it came from that incident, but a little strange that he leaves ww, gets pulled over with an out of state id, and then, now mind you this man has never even had a speeding ticket, then dcf shows up at his house. Maybe it wasnt the ww people themselves, but it was proof enough they at the ime had eyes on ww. Like i said i tend to just keep my distance from those situations. I would hate the feeling of " oh shit i shoulda listened". Again maybe its my paranoia, i believe that big brother never forgets, and i am willing to bet if anyone in a tight situation in danger of losing a biz and alot of money is put in a tuff spot, they would save theyre own ass. Maybe I am wrong, I hope so. But if it happened once, it can always happen again.

Im glad you never had any issues, i hope you never do. Also its nice when someone can disagree and talk without going off the deep end i trully appreciate that 150%. Just stay safe, i am not one of these idiots who just says " theyre a snitch". But again, better safe than sorry.


PS, very nice grows!!!!!! Congrats!!!

 

[CTcultivator]

sorry, ps, also you have no worries and i dont either neither of us do mail order. But have ya read or heard of Operation Greenthumb? Stumbled across it online, vague info. But it seems any online ordering in several orders and repeat orders can and will be investigated? not sure, i asked the guys down at organix (ct) and they said they dont do to much online biz, they also bill under antiques when they do ship and have to use credit cards, they have a antique shop to, so they bill through that, pretty nifty idea if ya ask me!

 

[Muleskinner]

Worms' Way is OK, I've bought from the local store a bunch of times, they seem like good people.

But I stopped going when I discovered that altgarden.com has everything for way less money and they're extremely helpful over the phone as well.


So I guess I'm trying to say that Worms' Way is over-priced.

 

[CTcultivator]

um hey, they advertise in high times i believe? maybe im wrong, but google altgarden high times they show up, and it goes back to Lilly and myself talking about security. If they advertise in mags like HT they are subject to turning over all info at any given time, also ups and fedex will without a doubt give up any info needed about shipments. Advertising in HT or any other is what got Worms way into trouble 15 years ago, its what started the whole operation green merchant fiasko. If they advertise in weed mags, avoid em by all costs, is price worth freedom? not to me

 

[Lilly456]

I'll keep shopping at WW until I hear different or see the DEA in my yard, wich I doubt.I would guess that they would want to grab you in a state that has draconian mj laws so they could do what they pleased with you.I do understand that a delivery driver may be handing info over to your locals about receiving from such and such a place but what was sent is unknown.I shop at WW because they were I believe the only company to stand up to the DEA during Green Merchant and stay standing.When you say have an order sent to your house from WW, they give you about 4 different mags with catalogs and lists of many other grow stores other than WW.I was followed out of WW by an unmarked when they were located north of the Mass Pike in Millbury about 10 yrs ago but having a clean record helps.Cops lurking around grow shops is not the shops fault, but if I had 2 prior cultivation tags on me it might have been different.Cops are always lurking around grow shops so I go in a blizzard with snow on my plate.As for safe addy's they are more dangerous than the DEA as many here will contest.My sherriff would laugh at the Fedex guy who came and told him that he just brought me 2 cases of rockwool slab and some other misc, it all depends where you live.My state is a free for all, just pull all the power you dare to.Weed is the least of their problems.

 

[Muleskinner]

um hey, they advertise in high times i believe? maybe im wrong, but google altgarden high times they show up, and it goes back to Lilly and myself talking about security. If they advertise in mags like HT they are subject to turning over all info at any given time, also ups and fedex will without a doubt give up any info needed about shipments. Advertising in HT or any other is what got Worms way into trouble 15 years ago, its what started the whole operation green merchant fiasko. If they advertise in weed mags, avoid em by all costs, is price worth freedom? not to me

I hear yah buddy, getting everything from a non-MJ associated grow store is the best, it's hard to find certain things like Earth Juice from non-MJ related stores though.

We're in liberal states though, the CT police would have to work with IL police and/or the feds to track you down, not likely IMO

 

[CTcultivator]

hey, if your in ct, most of the stores carry earth juice, organix in middletown has it, just a heads up, i use it myself.